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Sie book of thomas is not recognized true sound doctrine . But second thess chapter one verse eight , THAT IS RECOGNIZED .Book of Thomas?
Hummmm.
This is 2 Thessalonians 1:8
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Sie book of thomas is not recognized true sound doctrine . But second thess chapter one verse eight , THAT IS RECOGNIZED .Book of Thomas?
Hummmm.
This is 2 Thessalonians 1:8
-Sie book of thomas is not recognized true sound doctrine . But second thess chapter one verse eight , THAT IS RECOGNIZED .
Yep . And GOD shall send a strong delusion that they should believe a lie . WHY , cause they REJECTED THE GOSPEL-
Yes.
= Jesus is not coming back to lay down His Life again.
He's coming back "with Vengeance "
"in FLAMING FIRE"....
To JUDGE those who "do not obey the Gospel" = Believe it.
The "church" the "body of Christ" has already believe it, so they wont be here...for that one.
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It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of Truth. He spoke for the Truth, he acted as Truth, and he upheld the Truth. He had a perfect relationship with Truth so much that when he spoke it wasn't him anymore it was the Truth speaking through him. It can be seen as a divine allegory. Jesus was completely removed from his fleshly nature or his ego. He was not speaking for himself, rather it was God speaking through him.Almighty god, the triune Yahweh is Truth. Jesus said this:
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This can only be true or false. If true all other perspectives other than the revealed Word of God, may contains truths, but are not THE truth.
If it is false then Jesus is a liar and should be absolutely rejected, or He is a lunatic for boasting so exclusively.
Man cannot make himself like the Most High as your post suggests. Jesus existed with God from eternity and is the only unique Son of God. Jesus did not "become" truth and morality. He is and always was and always will be (perfect) truth and morality, because He is God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of Truth. He spoke for the Truth, he acted as Truth, and he upheld the Truth. He had a perfect relationship with Truth so much that when he spoke it wasn't him anymore it was the Truth speaking through him. It can be seen as a divine allegory. Jesus was completely removed from his fleshly nature or his ego. He was not speaking for himself, rather it was God speaking through him.
It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of TruthAlmighty god, the triune Yahweh is Truth. Jesus said this:
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This can only be true or false. If true all other perspectives other than the revealed Word of God, may contains truths, but are not THE truth.
If it is false then Jesus is a liar and should be absolutely rejected, or He is a lunatic for boasting so exclusively.
I guess this is where we disagree. We read the bible differently but that's ok.Man cannot make himself like the Most High as your post suggests. Jesus existed with God from eternity and is the only unique Son of God. Jesus did not "become" truth and morality. He is and always was and always will be (perfect) truth and morality, because He is God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
Man was created (creature) in the image and likeness of God (Creator). Satan's lie - the first lie - was that man, the creature - could become like God, the Creator, who alone has (eternal) life in Himself. Jesus alone has eternal life in Himself.
-- He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. --- (1 Timothy 6:15-16, NETfree version).
"For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" John 5:26
"I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hades and of death." Revelation 1:17-18.
We only have eternal life in Christ, whose eternal life is in Himself. Adam's eternal life was in Christ, His Creator, by whom and through whom all things were created, and by whom all things consist. Adam's eternal life was not in himself.
The first lie was that Adam would not (most definitely) die if he disobeyed the Word of God.
The Son of God was not born of a human father's seed. He is also the Son of man in that He became a human being, taking on human flesh.
Your pretense that you hold in your imagination that you can attain to the same status as Jesus the Christ "by aligning yourself with truth and morality" is a lie that you believe, because your truth and morality will never be perfect (but Christ's is and was and always will be).
We cannot align ourselves with (perfect) truth and morality because (perfect) truth and morality are the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God, and only by dwelling in Him - Christ - can this fruit of God be produced in us (by the Holy Spirit of God). On our own, apart from Christ we can do nothing.
God's (perfect) truth and morality = fruit: The fruit of the Spirit of Christ (not our fruit).
You're only expressing what is the vain imagination of men and women who believe they can make themselves like (perfect) truth and morality by aligning themselves with truth and morality, i.e "make themselves like God, the Most High".
The truth is that (perfect) truth and morality was personified in Jesus the Messiah who took on human flesh to die for our actions and thoughts and desires (sin) which are born from our inability to align ourselves with perfect truth and morality, and rose again from the dead, that in Him through faith in the only true and moral one, we may have everlasting life - the everlasting life that Adam had in Him, in whom alone is life, before Adam believed the lie (that you believe - that he could make himself like God), and sinned, and began to die.
It was God's work to put His image and likeness into Adam, not Adam's. Adam could not maintain it aside from Christ our Creator, because the image and likeness of God is a product of the fruit of the Spirit of God (God's fruit, not ours).
1. the demons are not in hell right now. Demons are defined as those who went with Satan i the great Rebellion (the 1/3 of rev.). they are still loose and free and deceiving people. Satan canonly be in one place at one time so it is his underlings that do the person deceiving and oppressing etc.
2. Teh Lake of fire is not hell. Hell is the anglicized word for sheol/hades/the grave/hell. Priot to Jesus ascension there were three compartments of hell. A) Paradise/Abrahams Bosom, B) the place of torments with fire (where the rich man of Lazarus account went) C) Tartarus where teh angels who rebelled, left their first habitation (heaven) and came and had sex with human women.
So it is not an eternal Hell (of punishment and destruction)
The 2nd death will be the fate of resurrected saints who, just like Adam before he sinned and began to die, will think they can never die (as though they have life in themselves when only Christ has life in Himself). It comes at the close of a literal thousand years, when Satan is released again one last time, and all the children of Adam who had been resurrected will be tested like Adam was in the Garden of Eden.Hell is the beginning of the 2nd Death, that starts after you die.
Its the first stop regarding the eternity of the unbeliever, never born again.
Its actually not the 1st part of Damnation, as Unbelief (never born again) has already defined you as Damned, while you're still breating.
John 3:36
Here is what you can know for certain. = Everyone who went to Hell today, ... believes in it now. And they also believe in Jesus now, and it does not get them out.
There is no 2nd Chance in Hell.
You can not be born again in Hell.
The 2nd death
There has been only one death of mankind till now - Adam's (mankind's) death, which came to all men.
Jesus is almighty God and is Truth, not just a representation of truth. And no we do not become an incarnation of God. we become HIs vessels. As long as y0ou acknowledge that Jesus is the Truth you speak of- Okay! If not then there is a serious issue to be resolved.It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of Truth. He spoke for the Truth, he acted as Truth, and he upheld the Truth. He had a perfect relationship with Truth so much that when he spoke it wasn't him anymore it was the Truth speaking through him. It can be seen as a divine allegory. Jesus was completely removed from his fleshly nature or his ego. He was not speaking for himself, rather it was God speaking through him.
That means that either one or both of us is wrong. there is only one interpretation or understanding of Scripture. there may be many applications, but only one interpretation.I guess this is where we disagree. We read the bible differently but that's ok.
Jesus is almighty God and is Truth, not just a representation of truth. And no we do not become an incarnation of God. we become HIs vessels.
Yes we are sons of God, but we are also vessels.WE , the born again are more then Vessels.
Remember the Donkey that corrected the Prophet. ?????
'"""""When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff. Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"
See that Donkey?
That donkey is being used as a "vessel".
Are you no more then that, Ronald?
So, the Born again, are Joined to God......and that makes us not just "vessels", but "SONS"..
Do you understand?
If you can ever begin to understand that, then there is hope that you can understand why SONS , Joined to God, have no sin.
Saying that I am a vessel for God is the same thing as saying I'm an incarnation or a prophet. I dont see my understandings as a serious issue. I see people who think Truth is exclusive to the flesh of Jesus as a major issue. We have our differences and we read the bible differently. My understanding of Truth is unlimited and wholistic, where as yours is confined and limited to the religious institution you so call "Christianity". God is not your possession, God is for everyone who knows Truth and Truth is everywhere.Jesus is almighty God and is Truth, not just a representation of truth. And no we do not become an incarnation of God. we become HIs vessels. As long as y0ou acknowledge that Jesus is the Truth you speak of- Okay! If not then there is a serious issue to be resolved.
Yes, Truth is objective and un changing.That means that either one or both of us is wrong. there is only one interpretation or understanding of Scripture. there may be many applications, but only one interpretation.
Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned:The 2nd Death happens to Christ rejectors, who are in Hell, having died.
Millions of them are there, currently awaiting the Lake of Fire.
And.There were 2 deaths, regarding "Adam"
1.) Spiritual Separation.....>"Adam died spiritually" and "in Christ all are "made alive", = born again Spiritually.
2.) Physical death.
God gave Jesus to everyone, because no one knows truth apart from this knowledge:God is for everyone who knows Truth
There has been only one death. Spiritual death leads to physical death.
So as I do not misunderstand you- You think one can be a faithful Muslim and know truth personally?Saying that I am a vessel for God is the same thing as saying I'm an incarnation or a prophet. I dont see my understandings as a serious issue. I see people who think Truth is exclusive to the flesh of Jesus as a major issue. We have our differences and we read the bible differently. My understanding of Truth is unlimited and wholistic, where as yours is confined and limited to the religious institution you so call "Christianity". God is not your possession, God is for everyone who knows Truth and Truth is everywhere.