Earburner
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Since you have brought the concept of the permanency of God's indwelling Holy Spirit, back to Moses and Abraham, it must be that I go back to Creation, and the Garden experience again.This idea is wrong because you cannot say Moses and Abraham did not have the Holy Spirit and once having it, are never said to lose it.
The first severe form of misunderstanding by "church-ianity", is to falsely believe that Adam was given "an eternal soul", in the day of his creation.
KJV Gen. 2:7 says that man "became a living soul", which is equal to all animal life (nephesh) which also breathes "the breath of life", which at that time was unknown to Moses, as being nothing more than "Oxygenated air". KJV Gen. 6:17; Gen. 7:15, 22.
Plan A of God (Elohim-plural):
The deepest desire of God the Father (who is Holy Spirit only) has always been, that He could permanently dwell within His creation of Adam and Eve. Not that they should have Him to do so unwillingly, but rather by the free will of their own choice, through the innocence of Adam and Eve, in the day of their creation. Hence God's reasoning for the presence of the two choices of trees in the Garden, being that of The Tree of Life (the Mind and will of the Preincarnate Christ) and The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (the mind and will of their own "natural man").
Plan B of God (Elohim- plural):
As we all know, in God's mind, the wrong tree was chosen first, which thwarted God's deepest desire to be able to permanently dwell within them, when they were in their innocense.
Having now lost their innocense of mind in their own free will, the results of Adam & Eve's action of choice, was for God to take His first action with "Plan B", which was for them to be barred from having access to the Tree of Life, lest they live forever, having their own free will of choice, along with their new "knowledge of good and evil".
Without the presence of Eternal life, from the Tree of Life within them, the inevitable and eventual results was eternal DEATH, being "condemned (judged) already".
KJV John 3:18...."Already"??
Yes! It's the results of NOT having the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. John 7:39; Rom. 8:9.
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So then, WHEN was the Gift of the Holy Spirit given (made available) to men/people of faith in Jesus, who was Himself "the Promise to come"?
Clue: in the the NT, there are 34 verses of scripture about "the Promise" that was to come.
(2B Cont'd)....
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