And after all that, you did not answer my questions as before. If YOU can’t explain what being “born again” means in connection with the Kingdom of God...that is where you fall down. It can’t be a mystery to YOU even if it is to me. All I have heard from you is a fairy story of something that “happened” to you to convince you that you are of that ‘class’ of Christians.....is that what being “born again” actually means?
It isn’t something that happens to bring you to Christ and to give you faith.....becoming a believer is not what it means. The apostles were believers for three and a half years in close company with the son of God, but being “born again” did not happen to them until Pentecost. So what happened at Pentecost that was a game changer for them?
It’s very convenient to say that you can’t understand with a carnal mind.....but it’s you who needs to convey what that means to others who do have a carnal mind......the whole purpose of being a Christian is to “make disciples” for Christ.....it was a command to do so (Matt 28:19-20) so that the whole world would get a witness...”to the most distant part of the earth”. It doesn’t mean being a member of an exclusive club who have no idea what their choosing means, or what is expected of them in the role they are chosen for....
I have asked you before ...”what is God’s Kingdom?” Can you tell me what it is that “born again” Christians “see” that those not “born again”, can’t? And what the purpose of this rebirth is in connection with God’s Kingdom? You have snatches of a story where all the interconnecting pieces are missing. What is your role as one who is “born again”?
The Bible tells us, so why can’t you? Do you see why I ask?
The most fundamental information a Christian can have is knowing what God’s kingdom is, what it will do, and how it “comes” as Jesus said in the Lord’s Prayer so that God’s will is “done on earth as it is in heaven”.....It’s “the good news of the kingdom” that is to be preached right up until “the end”. (Matt 24:14) Please tell us what that “good news” (gospel) is..... because you can post scripture till the cows come home.....but unless you can explain them, they are just words to those who may be just starting their journey. If nothing else, I want to move you to study God’s word so as to answer my questions for yourself.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
As I’ve already explained, I’m here to “ Glorify “ God..and will continue to do so, as and when I’m prompted to do so by his Spirit..I’m “ Born Again “, you have openly admitted you are not, you don’t understand what it means...a carnal mind is void of the Spirit in their heart/ spirit.....therefore I have posted scripture to support why you don’t understand..., I understand your reply and was expecting it...it’s always the same repetitive reply, it lacks spiritual knowledge, and is your “ own” version of Gods word....it’s not Spirit led,imo...
....I’m not interested in listening to a person going through God’s word via their “ own understanding “...it’s boring...I can only learn in the Spirit and by the Spirit.....enjoy the rest of your day.
PS...I’m “ Born Again”..I am not a Christian.being Born Again can only be testified to our spirit...by the Holy Spirit..it’s biblical ...only non understandable to those who aren’t...and completely understandable ....you can’t make someone understand spiritual matters, therefore best to walk away from them...and pray that God makes them Born Again by his Spirit....if it’s his will then it will be done.
Gods word says about arguing..it’s not edifying or fruitful, ...threads have already been locked in the past because of you and i arguing ...I am now going to hit the ignore button.took me a long time to walk away from arguing....best thing I’ve ever done and Praise God he at last got that message through ( his Living word) to my heart/ spirit.....only the Spirit, Gods word can penetrate the heart of his child..for them to “ HEAR” his “ Living” word, ( he speaks directly to our spirit) and when his word does, we are then without excuses...I’d be the biggest fool if I continued to ignore his word , ..bye bye.