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Is the law not clear. ( acknowledge they are the COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD.)


1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
 
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If we cant acknowledge we are denying the Lord Jesus Christ, which means we have the WRONG SPIRIT.
 

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Now much point in someone saying they have the Spirit but showing otherwise is there.
 

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Confession is made unto salvation, the antichrist denies..


Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Nobody can show they have the Holy Spirit, if they do not have it, and they cant obey anything that is right also..


2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
 

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What does the Bible say about manipulation?​

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The Bible has much to say about manipulation. Through examples, principles, and direct commands, Scripture warns us against manipulating others and against allowing ourselves to be manipulated.

At its core, manipulation is a type of lying. When someone speaks falsely for the purpose of deception, he or she is being manipulative, because to deceive is to manipulate someone into thinking or behaving a certain way. So all of the Bible’s prohibitions against lying can be applied to manipulation. Lying is a dreadful sin.

Satan is the “father of lies” (John 8:44). We might also call him the “master of manipulation.” He manipulated Eve, using half-truths and appeals to her desire for wisdom, to deceive her into disobeying God. To this day, Satan manipulates people into traps he sets for them. He “masquerades as an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:14). He exploits our weaknesses, strokes our pride, and assures us that following a sinful path is in our best interests. He is insidious in his artfulness; he has many ploys to bring us under his control.

Samson was the victim of manipulation a couple of different times. At his wedding feast, he posed a riddle to the Philistine attendees; if they could answer him correctly, he would give them “thirty linen garments and thirty sets of clothes” (Judges 14:12). The Philistines were stumped, and they resorted to asking Samson’s new wife to wheedle the answer from him. Samson’s wife “threw herself on him, sobbing, ‘You hate me! You don’t really love me. You’ve given my people a riddle, but you haven’t told me the answer.’ . . . She cried the whole seven days of the feast” (verses 16–17). Finally, Samson allowed himself to be manipulated into giving her the answer, which she promptly relayed to her townspeople. Later, Samson fell victim to the manipulative Delilah, and he lost his life as a result (Judges 16).

The Bible warns of those who would manipulate us in spiritual matters. The New Testament has many warnings for Christians to be on the look-out for false teachers. We must not be easily deceived (Galatians 3:1; 2 Peter 2). Paul spoke out against manipulators “who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires” (2 Timothy 3:6). Jesus warned, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves” (Matthew 7:15).

It should go without saying that Christians are not to engage in manipulation or take advantage of others in any way. “Each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body” (Ephesians 4:25). Just as important, we should not allow ourselves to be manipulated. Jesus said, “Be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves” (Matthew 10:16). “Shrewd as snakes”—don’t be taken advantage of; “innocent as doves”—don’t manipulate others.

Some people are more manipulative by nature; they have strong wills, and their personalities engender trust. We must be careful when dealing with such people, especially when they are within our own families. In all our relationships, trust is important. We should speak the truth in love and demand the same of others.
 

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Men are not to teach us, how much less who are not those deceiving men..


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
 

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Now we are fully ready, it cant be made much clearer, the antichrist can only deny, cannot acknowledge, must avoid, and never do any part that is right, but must only talk, and is impossible to do what is right.
 

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Men are not to teach us, how much less who are not those deceiving men..
I thought you said woman..make your mind up...hehehehe.xx

I hope you aren’t a keyboard “ warrior “ hehehe.xx

1 John 41 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit [1] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son [2] into the world that we might live through him.10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for [3] our sins.11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.13 We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.17 In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him.18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.19 We love because he first loved us.20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.21 And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
 
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Bible says we need the whole counsel of God. Balance and counter-balance. Two-edged sword. We have the wonderful assurances and promises of scripture but that is counter-balanced by the fear of the Lord and all the admonitions and warnings in His word. It all should be preached and taught otherwise we will be travelling down a ditch on one or other side of the right road. It's wrong to deny the truth on either side......if we receive and acknowledge both, we are balanced where we ought to be, in the middle of the road so to speak, with both sides helping to keep us there like guardrails, how I see it.
 
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"Woman" allegorically in scripture pertains to the flesh, ie, the flesh is weak.....women are the weaker sex. "Man" pertains to the spirit, which has strength/ power/authority, (and our soul sometimes might be caught in a battle betwixt flesh and spirit, but needs to be submitted to the Spirit....as the woman being in submission to her husband is a depiction of this).

But in the kingdom of heaven there is neither male nor female. Apparently women can speak in the churches sometimes, if the leaders permit, if we are speaking by the Holy Spirit and not in the flesh....eg, we are allowed to pray and prophesy under authority (that is what it means to have our "head covered"). But not lead or dominate because then we would necessarily be out from under authority, and usurping it.

(And I read it that questions or social chatter should not distract or waste time that is precious when we are coming together to meet with the Lord but be reserved for outside the meeting.)
 

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But in the kingdom of heaven there is neither male nor female. Apparently women can speak in the churches sometimes, if the leaders permit, if we are speaking by the Holy Spirit and not in the flesh....eg, we are allowed to pray and prophesy under authority (that is what it means to have our "head covered"). But not lead or dominate because then we would necessarily be out from under authority, and usurping it
Really , never knew that...I agree as long as we are speaking by the Holy Spirit ,unfortunately for some of us, if a woman speaks Gods truth, they get accused of teaching by some,well, whatever God places on my heart/ spirit to say it will be done....I’ve never implied that I was a teacher.....I will certainly post what I believe the word of God to be saying to my spirit, then back it up with His written word.

Pride and ego, absolute killer, it has been in my case, I learnt nothing desperately holding on to that selfish self rubbish.....there is NOTHING good in “self”..absolutely NOTHING.
 
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Men are not to teach us, how much less who are not those deceiving men..


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
Though God has given teachers and preachers to the Body of Christ. But I think we only are to receive when we hear the Shepherd's voice speaking to us through a vessel. In that way it is the anointing (Holy Spirit) that is teaching and edifying us. Our reliance needs to be on the Lord and not on the vessel God happens to be using. (Because cursed is the one who trusts in man.)
 
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Though God has given teachers and preachers to the Body of Christ. But I think we only are to receive when we hear the Shepherd's voice speaking to us through a vessel. In that way it is the anointing (Holy Spirit) that is teaching and edifying us. Our reliance needs to be on the Lord and not on the vessel God happens to be using. (Because cursed is the one who trusts in man.)
The trouble with that is though, our pride and ego may react, I agree with what you say...yet,the Living word of God must be delivered directly from His Spirit to our spirit, in the proper way, imo...if it’s delivered by the human flesh, it will have NO standing..

Only God can speak to his children via His Spirit..then they will listen, sometimes it takes God time to get us to listen and hear his voice, we won’t hear his word if we are holding on to self still.......HE WILL get his message across...there is no denying that imo.
 
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Really , never knew that...I agree as long as we are speaking by the Holy Spirit ,unfortunately for some of us, if a woman speaks Gods truth, they get accused of teaching by some,well, whatever God places on my heart/ spirit to say it will be done....I’ve never implied that I was a teacher.....I will certainly post what I believe the word of God to be saying to my spirit, then back it up with His written word.

Pride and ego, absolute killer, it has been in my case, I learnt nothing desperately holding on to that selfish self rubbish.....there is NOTHING good in “self”..absolutely NOTHING.
I'm not at all sure that forums rise to the level of being a church meeting. To me it's a forum for discussing and looking into the word, and talking things out, and if the leadership allows women to participate then we are under their authority to do so.
 

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I'm not at all sure that forums rise to the level of being a church meeting. To me it's a forum for discussing and looking into the word, and talking things out, and if the leadership allows women to participate then we are under their authority to do so.
Imo there are men here who speak in the flesh,old mindset that needs to be renewed.

Also, some woman do the same thing, including myself at times...

I recognise the voice of God and I recognise the voice of men./ woman..who are still talking in that old mindset.

Same applies to some of us woman, including myself.

Well, I believe everything is in Gods timing, we are being made into the image of Jesus..I have a long way to go.xx
 
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Imo there are men here who speak in the flesh,old mindset that needs to be renewed.

Also, some woman do the same thing, including myself at times...

I recognise the voice of God and I recognise the voice of men./ woman..who are still talking in that old mindset.

Same applies to some of us woman, including myself.

Well, I believe everything is in Gods timing, we are being made into the image of Jesus..I have a long way to go.xx
Me too sister, me too. (How's that for a "Me Too" movement, lol.)

I agree....anyone can be in the flesh or in error, men or women. And I think both genders have their areas of potential vulnerability spiritually speaking. We all need to overcome our old nature of the flesh.

There is good reason why we will all lay our crowns at the feet of Jesus!
 
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Me too sister, me too. (How's that for a "Me Too" movement, lol.)

I agree....anyone can be in the flesh or in error, men or women. And I think both genders have their areas of potential vulnerability spiritually speaking. We all need to overcome our old nature of the flesh.

There is good reason why we will all lay our crowns at the feet of Jesus!
Do you know from my own belief only the Spirit can help me overcome my old mindset ,what can I do in my own strength?

I also believe we must want to overcome in our heart ,a sincere heart before the Lord...he knows if we’re lying...he’s helped me overcome many things...I Praise His Holy Name for that.

I asked him why I want to hold onto self at times,....it has been very hard for me to let go in certain areas, because I then make my heart open and vulnerable......i am much better than I was.....trust was always a BIG issue for me ..I know i can trust God in my intellect...I need to know that in my heart,in some areas I trust him 100%...other areas I lack faith ....

It took 32 years to trust God in a huge area in my life...I now trust him 100%......God knows how to gain our trust...he knows us better than we know ourselves,xx
 
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