God made everything and is not served by human hands. Jesus had human hands. Do the math.
There is not one person with an ounce of a brain that will say Jesus was part of creation.
Acts 17
24The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands.
25Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.
There is not one person with an ounce of a brain that will say that the "man" Jesus even existed until approx 4000 years after the Holy Spirit was hovering over those waters.
Saying "Let US make man in OUR image" isn't the creation event. That's a statement about what is planned.
Agreed. More proof that it was not Adam that was being talked about.
The actual creation even was performed by YHWH, the Father.
Adam was indeed formed ( created) by God ... ( Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [
f]being. )
I think where you are taking a blind leap of faith is assigning specific persons to the "US" where none are stated. There is no mention of a pre-existent being known as the Word or Son of God or God the Son, Immanuel, etc in the Old Testament.
Pre-existent in the old Testament? Makes no sense for those early people had limited comprehension of what that might mean... and it would be before the time that it would be important for them to know
As John Piper said... " “Jesus was there not only before matter; he was there before time. He did not come into being; he just was.”
Jesus existed with God in the very beginning. Before time, before matter, Jesus was.
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John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word.” Those words “in the beginning” in Greek are identical to the first two words of the Bible: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” (
Genesis 1:1). I don’t think that’s an accident.
What John is saying is that before there was any matter, before anything had been made, Jesus
was. “In the beginning was the Word.” So, there at the beginning, when those things were brought into being, he was there already. That’s the point of “in the beginning.” And another confirmation that John is thinking that way is that the very next thing he tells us about Jesus’s action is everything was made through him. So, creation is in his mind as he writes the words, “in the beginning.” Jesus was there as the Son of God in the beginning.
Just because you do not understand this does not mean it was not so.
John Piper also said.... (and for the scientifically mined you should appreciate, especially if tou are a creation scientist.
Let me say it in an Einsteinian way, and then I will give you the biblical phrase for Einstein’s theory of relativity. Jesus was there not only before matter; he was there before time. Because the twentieth century brought the discovery that matter and time are coextensive. No matter, no time. Kind of a controversial thing biblically sometimes. But listen to the great doxology. Now, I don’t think the biblical writers knew the theory of relativity. They just knew truth.
Jude 25:
To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority,
before all time and now and forever. Amen.
So, when John says, “In the beginning was the Word,” echoing Genesis 1 — the wider references to being before time is meant to communicate that
before anything else was,
he was. So, get the time right. He did not come into being — he just
was.
Isaiah 7:14
“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name
Immanuel.”
Genesis 2
4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that
the LORD God made them.
Isaiah 44
24Thus says the LORD,
your Redeemer who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD,
who has made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who by Myself spread out the earth,
Therefore... the Godhead IS ONE.......
The term
Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: ACTS 17:29. ROMANS 1:20, AND COLOSIANS 2:9.. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word
Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature.
It is the use in Colossians 2:9 that is what should always be in mind when reading your Genesis 2 and Isaiah 44... It is here where
Colossians 2:9 shows one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him ...Christ... dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”Nasb95
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." KJV
"For all The Fullness of The Deity dwells in him bodily." Peshitta
theotētos
" For in him dwells all the fullness of the deity bodily." Greek interlinear
The word for “Godhead” here is
theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies
all (“the fulness”) of God (For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,). This truth aligns perfectly with
Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”
Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (
John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (
John 14:9).
In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the one and only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (
John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).
