Are you sending your neighbors to Hell?

[St. SteVen]

I do know that hell is eternal.

Let's explore that idea.

Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.

All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.

Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)

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Since you don't, do you think you need to share the gospel with your neighbors?

Yes. A relationship with God is beneficial in this lifetime as well.
Knowing God is MORE than "fire insurance". (to avoid hell)

 

[ButterflyJones]

Perhaps the best evidence that no one really believes in a forever-burning Hell.
Or that no one really loves their neighbors. Take your pick.

If you really loved your neighbors, and believed in a forever-burning Hell, you wouldn't send them there.

I can hear the reply coming now. "I didn't send them to Hell, they sent themselves there."
Did you do anything to stop them? Did you convince them otherwise?
Did you live a life that made Christ attractive? I see...

Fortunately for me, I don't believe in a forever-burning Hell. Not really my problem.
Do you believe in a forever-burning Hell? (nope) If you did...

Or maybe you don't really love your neighbors. Seems to go hand-in-hand.

This OP makes no sense and is entirely contradictory of itself.

Presuming Hell is scriptural:
We do not send ourselves to Hell. Nor others.
God's judgement sends people to Hell.

 

[St. SteVen]

This OP makes no sense and is entirely contradictory of itself.

Thanks for coming to the rescue.

Presuming Hell is scriptural:
We do not send ourselves to Hell. Nor others.
God's judgement sends people to Hell.

Did Jesus dies to save us from God?

 

[ButterflyJones]

Thanks for coming to the rescue.

Did Jesus dies to save us from God?

Being Jesus was God, yes.

Sin is violating God's law. God made the rules. And levies the judgement.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sin is violating God's law. God made the rules. And levies the judgement.

Are we under the law?

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Are we under the law?

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

You believe we can sin with impunity?

God's law still holds. As Jesus said.

 

[St. SteVen]

God's law still holds. As Jesus said.

Is that a reference to Matthew 5:17-18 ? (see below)
Here's what Jesus had to say about that after his resurrection.
Note the "the Law" refers to the books of the Law, not the law itself.
Same applies to "the Prophets" and Psalms". The books.

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in
the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Matthew 5:17-18 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear
from the Law until everything is accomplished.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Is that a reference to Matthew 5:17-18 ? (see below)
Here's what Jesus had to say about that after his resurrection.
Note the "the Law" refers to the books of the Law, not the law itself.
Same applies to "the Prophets" and Psalms". The books.

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in
the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Matthew 5:17-18 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear
from the Law until everything is accomplished.

That's it.

 

[St. SteVen]

I can hear the reply coming now. "I didn't send them to Hell, they sent themselves there."
Did you do anything to stop them? Did you convince them otherwise?
Did you live a life that made Christ attractive?

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[Lambano]

Are you sending your neighbors to Hell?​

I didn't know I had that power. Muhuhahahahahahaha!

 

[Adrift]

I had some neighbors who were apparently hell-bent on going to Hell. I tried to be nice and start conversation only to be told "Git off my property". They would toss their dog poop and grass clippings over the fence into my back yard. It was like trying to love Hitler. I had to "love" them from a distance and had the feeling that I was really forcing myself to love who they could have (should have?) been. The Biblical "Love" for your neighbor is interesting. Easy to say, yet sometimes hard to do.

 

[Lambano]

I had some neighbors who were apparently hell-bent on going to Hell. I tried to be nice and start conversation only to be told "Git off my property". They would toss their dog poop and grass clippings over the fence into my back yard.

I had one of those in SoFla. I was thinking of him when I wrote #30 above.

 

[St. SteVen]

Are you sending your neighbors to Hell?​

I didn't know I had that power. Muhuhahahahahahaha!

With some neighbors... could be a real temptation.

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[Matthias]

The path that is narrow leads to life. The path that is broad leads to destruction.

The “unity in diversity” crowd is directing their neighbors to destruction.

 

[St. SteVen]

The path that is narrow leads to life. The path that is broad leads to destruction.

"Few there be that find it..."
Is this God making sport with our souls? A cruel high-stakes puzzle?

The “unity in diversity” crowd is directing their neighbors to destruction.

You seem to misunderstand “unity in diversity”.

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[Matthias]

"Few there be that find it..."
Is this God making sport with our souls? A cruel high-stakes puzzle?

No.

You seem to misunderstand “unity in diversity”.

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I’ve been listening to you. I haven’t misunderstood it, nor you.

Good of you to speak with me here after you chose not to continue speaking with me there.

 

[Matthias]

Universalism isn’t a biblical concept. It’s the product of minds which aren’t able to cope with the kindness and severity of God.

 

[St. SteVen]

Universalism isn’t a biblical concept. It’s the product of minds which aren’t able to cope with the kindness and severity of God.

Based on a single verse? Is your biblical understanding infallible?

It's not a new concept.
It was a dominant doctrine in the early church in the east. (Orthodoxy)

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge" by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96 German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor: "In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."

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The main Patristic supporters of the apokatastasis theory, such as Bardaisan, Clement, Origin, Didymus, St. Anthony, St. Pamphilus Martyr, Methodius, St. Macrina, St. Gregory of Nyssa (and probably the two other Cappadocians), St. Evagrius Ponticus, Diodore of Tarsus, Theodore of Mopsuestia, St. John of Jerusalem, Rufinus, St. Jerome and St. Augustine (at least initially) … Cassian, St. Issac of Nineveh, St. John of Dalyatha, Ps. Dionysius the Areopagite, probably St. Maximus the Confessor, up to John the Scot Eriugena, and many others, grounded their Christian doctrine of apokatastasis first of all in the Bible.
— Ramelli, Christian Doctrine, 11.

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[Matthias]

Based on a single verse?

The verse cannot be dismissed. It harmonizes with the rest of Jesus’ doctrine.

Is your biblical understanding infallible?

The only time anyone’s biblical understanding is infallible is when it aligns perfectly with the Messiah’s understanding.

It's not a new concept.

It’s an old concept.

It was a dominant doctrine in the early church in the east. (Orthodoxy)

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge" by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96 German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor: "In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."

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The main Patristic supporters of the apokatastasis theory, such as Bardaisan, Clement, Origin, Didymus, St. Anthony, St. Pamphilus Martyr, Methodius, St. Macrina, St. Gregory of Nyssa (and probably the two other Cappadocians), St. Evagrius Ponticus, Diodore of Tarsus, Theodore of Mopsuestia, St. John of Jerusalem, Rufinus, St. Jerome and St. Augustine (at least initially) … Cassian, St. Issac of Nineveh, St. John of Dalyatha, Ps. Dionysius the Areopagite, probably St. Maximus the Confessor, up to John the Scot Eriugena, and many others, grounded their Christian doctrine of apokatastasis first of all in the Bible.
— Ramelli, Christian Doctrine, 11.

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All post-biblical thought / teaching / doctrine. The concept doesn’t align with what Jesus thought and taught as recorded in the NT? -> it’s false.

It’s good and often helpful to look at man’s commentary but man’s commentary isn’t the authority.

 

[Matthias]

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