Stranger said:
I already knew you couldn't help me....or anyone else for that matter.
If there is Scripture supporting what you are saying, that Job was reaping what he sowed, then show them. If you can't show them, then they are not there. And you are just a shallow running creek.
I know you like to talk alot. But you can't support what you say. So, why should anyone take you seriously?
Stranger
ooh, good one! Usually that device gets used on me like "Why should
WE..." or something similar, like that, whenever they want to isolate me, and include themselves. That's very subtil, that one. Working up, from there, you might see that vv 6 and 7 really support me all i need, but at the same time, you can interpret them however you like. I mean, i could go spend like 30 seconds or whatever in Job, and find some more support, "for you," but really, would there be a point?
I mean, if Easter hasn't taught us anything else, it's shown us that if God Himself came down and told you Passover, you would still hold Easter, and sure, i could proudly--cuz i'm a proud guy, too--abuse some Scripture here, like "if you won't listen to the prophets, you won't listen to me," or whatever, i mean, there's always one handy for those occasions, huh? But what would that do? Make me a little surer in my own mind? Lol.
So, for others, then, from "The Book of Job Explained," by Inspiring Philosophy on YT, we might see that, as is true with just about every surface reading of Scripture, the conclusion that you currently must be holding, that "God is just capricious," holds no water whatsoever (and that i wasn't "accusing" Job of anything, anyway, but nevermind that part for now), and Job can be read as...well, the warning that it is, which might be particularly applicable to us right now, Christian Patriots all convinced that All Muslims are Lost, as we simultaneously fund both sides of a Perpetual War against them on the exact other side of the planet, and lobby for/elect Carnival Barkers to enforce our desire to stop them immigrating to America. The whole video is 45 minutes, but i'll spend 15 or 20 here, in a futile search for some more "support" for you, being as how we are surrounded by a cloud and all. Job is a Book for Christians, a warning to our generation, thus "Job was the greatest man among all the people of the east," which since you live in the West, you are prolly safe, and can safely ignore Job, almost surely probably.
So, i guess we can't really talk about what matters, right now, so i'll skip the laden symbolism in "7 sons and 3 daughters," at the beginning, and we won't even broach the "four generations" Job got to "witness" at the end, and i'll just go right to your "evidence," which, as you say, cannot help you anyway--from your own lips, that--and let's just look at Job's response, post-Apocalypse; "
21saying: Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will leave this life. The LORD gives, and the LORD takes away. Praise the name of Yahweh." Sounds very upright, huh? The Text even goes on to make plain that "22Throughout all this Job did not sin or blame God for anything."
So now, on the surface, anyone reading Grape Juice--which believe me is still basically me, too, as much as i might like to think otherwise--is convinced now, if they were not before, that Job had it all together, and God is just very capricious, maybe He was bored that day, or this is some game that satan likes and he finds it easy to suck God into or whatever, because let's be honest, we are trained to read the Bible the same way that Job is illustrated to be worshipping God here, so naturally Job's response sounds ok to us, and we don't stop to think "um, wouldn't someone so 'righteous,' and so 'wealthy,' have maybe a little more personal response to his Father? Like, 'gee, Father, what have i done, to deserve this?'" Something? But of course we're all busy being little Christian Perfectionists, too, so that never occurs to us.
So we swallow this "God can do whatever He wants, here on earth--" which is absolutely not true, of course, and this can be supported in many, many other Passages of Scripture--and we swallow this bait about Job's "sinlessness," to the point now that anyone suggesting anything else is "accusing" Job, meaning we cannot practically have any discussion about this parable, and Job has been elevated to God-Like status now, right? Even though we know "sinlessness" does not equal "perfect" in God's eyes, despite all the "holiness" yack getting jammed down our throats now, i think we even got a current thread on it. David was hardly "sinless," but was the "apple of God's eye," had to be for some other reason, huh--and Christ plainly castigated the "sinless," the "holiness" crowd, on more than one occasion.
And it becomes patently obvious, when you pick up a shovel, that "holiness" or "sinless" people are just looking for another way to serve themselves, and get some pride, which they pretty much got in spades, and they're looking for more.
So, now that i've covered the "talking a lot" part, and i guess you prolly aren't even reading anymore, i'll just say go watch the YT if you want an answer, it's 45 minutes, ish, but really, all the answer you should need is in the last chapter, where we see that what we usually accuse Job's friends of, we got that part wrong too, but never mind that for now, we see that Job is repenting of his "sin," right there in vv 6-7, but we can get a fuller picture in reading just a bit more of the supporting Text;
3You asked, "Who is this who conceals My counsel with ignorance?" Surely I spoke about things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.
which is not going to make sense to you right now, when reflected upon in light of v7, you got another conundrum there, but i doubt you are interested in hearing any exegesis of that from such a shallow stream, being the deep guy that you are and all, so right now i'll just point out that Job sure seems to be repenting twice, here in 3, and also in vv6-7, and being as how we are Job, you might take a hint, maybe, since now you even got a Witness, right there in 3. And i guess i will too, i'm gonna go watch the rest of the video now, and i wish you the best of luck, rolling dem bones, and i hope i have sufficiently addressed your latest cry for help here. (a little ribbing, there, hope you understand, even if you are a walking cry for help, wadr)