By Love Serve One Another

[Lizbeth]

The ways of God don't work that way. We can have righteousness imputed to us as we repent...like the Publican. But that is NOT the righteousness of Christ...which NEVER can be imputed to anyone. The righteousness is His, the holiness is His, the love is His..

We repent when we come to Christ, at least in a general sense. With more to come as we go along and the Lord shines His light so we can see and digs deeper in our hearts. A humble and contrite heart He does not despise. Of course the righteousness and love shed abroad in our hearts is His.......and to think that He has come to dwell in us by His Spirit is the wonderful truth. His Spirit, His love, His righteousness has come to dwell in the child of God by faith...and it is by His Spirit within us that we know the Lord as He is revealed to our hearts. It is then a matter of learning to walk in it. Submitting to the righteousness of Christ in us, not seeking to establish our own righteousness as the scripture says....in other words submitting to the spirit of Christ in us. Walking by faith not by sight, ie, walking in the spirit.

Romans 6 speaks beautifully THIS-wise:

Rom 6:1-18

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ WERE baptized into his death?

Therefore we ARE buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man IS crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


(Which is not the same-wise and in the same vein in which you speak/teach. So something has to give way here, and it isn't the Lord God who needs to. Romans 6 is in spirit........but the way you teach things is not in that vein. Which is why you compartmentalize things and don't understand but deny truths that can only be understood in spirit, not with the carnal mind. You are cutting away the foundation and I dont' know how to convince you of that, but unfortunately you just are.)

Does this mean we are to sit on our laurels and take our salvation for granted? No it does not....and there are plenty of scriptures that exhort, admonish, instruct, reprove and warn the child of God not to. Fear of the Lord doesn't have to be "logical" in that sense, because it is in spirit, it sometimes is 'beyond understanding', like His peace.

As a father disciplines His children and takes his love away so to speak for a time......the Lord will sometimes take His peace away if we are wandering or doing wrong or if He is digging deeper in our heart and dealing with something in our heart as we grow, etc, and thus we are left with His fear at such times to motivate and help us get sorted out. Working out our salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[amigo de christo]

Um, no, it isn't for that reason...at all.

The lie that leadeth to the second death grows massive now in this final hour .
It will offer up a false hope a means by which it will trod under foot the necessity of having to Believe on Christ Jesus .
It has made inroads into every denonmination now . To a conservative , an evangelical , a baptists
the liberal and whatever else it appeared as though it was like them and it decieved them sister
and now they merge more and more to be as one , always learning
but unable to come TO THE TRUTH . For many have denied the TRUTH .
WHAT IS TRUTH . JESUS IS TRUTH and if and when one denies HIS GOSPEL , his teachings , THEY HAVE Denied HIM .
The new , YET NOT NEW , go spell is that somehow man can attain , man can save himself
without having to BELIEVE ON HE WHO COULD have saved them .
SO allow me some parting words .
In days long ago , in a time long before you or i were even born
there walked the MESSIAH CHRIST amongst Israel .
He said something that even his own desciples said LORD who then can be SAVED .
WITH MAN , said HE , this is IMPOSSIBLE but not with GOD .
Later when the apostels went around and were preaching to the lost
they were asked , WHAT then must i do TO BE SAVED . THEY PREACHED THE ONE WHO COULD SAVE THEM .
EPI dont do this . He has omitted that and now preaches a message that will SAVE NONE .
For it omits the very name , the very belief one must have , IN HE WHO COULD have saved them , THAT IS CHRIST JESUS .
Epi grows wild with his enthusaism now . And only increases in his message
believing he has attained to great spiritiual enlightement . But not knowing that only DARKNESS
would do all to omit the belief OF JESUS CHRIST . Ever learning , but never able to come unto THE TRUTH .
Epi works not alone . this message of false love , of false salvation of false faith is all around us now .
And if the light that is in one be darkness , then great the darkness truly is within them .
Epi probably even believes he has more enlightenment than the true apostels did .
and that his message is now the will of GOD . ONLY his message seems to omit the dire need to beleive on JESUS the CHRIST .
THUS I KNOW exactly from whence that message is coming . AND IT SURE AINT GOD OR CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

We repent when we come to Christ, at least in a general sense. With more to come as we go along and the Lord shines His light so we can see and digs deeper in our hearts. A humble and contrite heart He does not despise. Of course the righteousness and love shed abroad in our hearts is His.......and to think that He has come to dwell in us by His Spirit is the wonderful truth. His Spirit, His love, His righteousness has come to dwell in the child of God by faith...and it is by His Spirit within us that we know the Lord as He is revealed to our hearts. It is then a matter of learning to walk in it. Submitting to the righteousness of Christ in us, not seeking to establish our own righteousness as the scripture says....in other words submitting to the spirit of Christ in us. Walking by faith not by sight, ie, walking in the spirit.

Romans 6 speaks beautifully THIS-wise:

Rom 6:1-18

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ WERE baptized into his death?

Therefore we ARE buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man IS crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


(Which is not the same-wise and in the same vein in which you speak/teach. So something has to give way here, and it isn't the Lord God who needs to. Romans 6 is in spirit........but the way you teach things is not in that vein. Which is why you compartmentalize things and don't understand but deny truths that can only be understood in spirit, not with the carnal mind. You are cutting away the foundation and I dont' know how to convince you of that, but unfortunately you just are.)

Does this mean we are to sit on our laurels and take our salvation for granted? No it does not....and there are plenty of scriptures that exhort, admonish, instruct, reprove and warn the child of God not to. Fear of the Lord doesn't have to be "logical" in that sense, because it is in spirit, it sometimes is 'beyond understanding', like His peace.

As a father disciplines His children and takes his love away so to speak for a time......the Lord will sometimes take His peace away if we are wandering or doing wrong or if He is digging deeper in our heart and dealing with something in our heart as we grow, etc, and thus we are left with His fear at such times to motivate and help us get sorted out. Working out our salvation with fear and trembling.

He , as do many , now believe in a cornerstone and a foundation that has not CHRIST as the head .
For HAD CHRIST been the head of their belief , they had not denied the dire need to FIRST BELIEVE ON HIM .
Epi does not plant and he sure does not water either .
That foundation is one that is not a hearer and a doer of the WORD . FOR HAD IT BEEN SO
it would not have given the idea it is not necessary to believe on CHRIST JESUS .
ANY FOUNDATION that removes that , IS NO FOUNDATION LAID BY CHRIST and the apostels . AND THAT IS A FACT .
OH he hollers all day be doers
and yet he himself is not a doer . Sure he might teach aspects about DOING
but has omitted the dire NEED to DO THE ONE THING REQUIRED FOR SALVATOIN . TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
HE is like the jews of sceva . He knoweth about JESUS CHRIST , he does all to try and teach his sayings
But as the jews of sceva , HE DONT TRULY BELIEVE or FOLLOW . DID it work out well for the seven sons
NOR WILL IT FOR EPI , lest he repent . One can try all day to teach aspects about JESUS CHRIST
heck even false religoins do but without TRUE FAITH IN HIM , well ITS DEAD .

 

[Lizbeth]

The lie that leadeth to the second death grows massive now in this final hour .
It will offer up a false hope a means by which it will trod under foot the necessity of having to Believe on Christ Jesus .
It has made inroads into every denonmination now . To a conservative , an evangelical , a baptists
the liberal and whatever else it appeared as though it was like them and it decieved them sister
and now they merge more and more to be as one , always learning
but unable to come TO THE TRUTH . For many have denied the TRUTH .
WHAT IS TRUTH . JESUS IS TRUTH and if and when one denies HIS GOSPEL , his teachings , THEY HAVE Denied HIM .
The new , YET NOT NEW , go spell is that somehow man can attain , man can save himself
without having to BELIEVE ON HE WHO COULD have saved them .
SO allow me some parting words .
In days long ago , in a time long before you or i were even born
there walked the MESSIAH CHRIST amongst Israel .
He said something that even his own desciples said LORD who then can be SAVED .
WITH MAN , said HE , this is IMPOSSIBLE but not with GOD .
Later when the apostels went around and were preaching to the lost
they were asked , WHAT then must i do TO BE SAVED . THEY PREACHED THE ONE WHO COULD SAVE THEM .
EPI dont do this . He has omitted that and now preaches a message that will SAVE NONE .
For it omits the very name , the very belief one must have , IN HE WHO COULD have saved them , THAT IS CHRIST JESUS .
Epi grows wild with his enthusaism now . And only increases in his message
believing he has attained to great spiritiual enlightement . But not knowing that only DARKNESS
would do all to omit the belief OF JESUS CHRIST . Ever learning , but never able to come unto THE TRUTH .
Epi works not alone . this message of false love , of false salvation of false faith is all around us now .
And if the light that is in one be darkness , then great the darkness truly is within them .
Epi probably even believes he has more enlightenment than the true apostels did .
and that his message is now the will of GOD . ONLY his message seems to omit the dire need to beleive on JESUS the CHRIST .
THUS I KNOW exactly from whence that message is coming . AND IT SURE AINT GOD OR CHRIST .

Amen! Hope Epi can "hear" that brother. Who then can be saved? WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. But only WITH GOD/CHRIST all things are possible.

 

[Marvelloustime]

He , as do many , now believe in a cornerstone and a foundation that has not CHRIST as the head .
For HAD CHRIST been the head of their belief , they had not denied the dire need to FIRST BELIEVE ON HIM .
Epi does not plant and he sure does not water either .
That foundation is one that is not a hearer and a doer of the WORD . FOR HAD IT BEEN SO
it would not have given the idea it is not necessary to believe on CHRIST JESUS .
ANY FOUNDATION that removes that , IS NO FOUNDATION LAID BY CHRIST and the apostels . AND THAT IS A FACT .
OH he hollers all day be doers
and yet he himself is not a doer . Sure he might teach aspects about DOING
but has omitted the dire NEED to DO THE ONE THING REQUIRED FOR SALVATOIN . TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
HE is like the jews of sceva . He knoweth about JESUS CHRIST , he does all to try and teach his sayings
But as the jews of sceva , HE DONT TRULY BELIEVE or FOLLOW . DID it work out well for the seven sons
NOR WILL IT FOR EPI , lest he repent . One can try all day to teach aspects about JESUS CHRIST
heck even false religoins do but without TRUE FAITH IN HIM , well ITS DEAD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

He , as do many , now believe in a cornerstone and a foundation that has not CHRIST as the head .
For HAD CHRIST been the head of their belief , they had not denied the dire need to FIRST BELIEVE ON HIM .
Epi does not plant and he sure does not water either .
That foundation is one that is not a hearer and a doer of the WORD . FOR HAD IT BEEN SO
it would not have given the idea it is not necessary to believe on CHRIST JESUS .
ANY FOUNDATION that removes that , IS NO FOUNDATION LAID BY CHRIST and the apostels . AND THAT IS A FACT .
OH he hollers all day be doers
and yet he himself is not a doer . Sure he might teach aspects about DOING
but has omitted the dire NEED to DO THE ONE THING REQUIRED FOR SALVATOIN . TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
HE is like the jews of sceva . He knoweth about JESUS CHRIST , he does all to try and teach his sayings
But as the jews of sceva , HE DONT TRULY BELIEVE or FOLLOW . DID it work out well for the seven sons
NOR WILL IT FOR EPI , lest he repent . One can try all day to teach aspects about JESUS CHRIST
heck even false religoins do but without TRUE FAITH IN HIM , well ITS DEAD .

 

[amigo de christo]

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but with GOD all things are possible .
In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and GOD was the Word .
WITH GOD , WITH CHRIST JESUS it is possible to be saved . yet many DENY GOD .
How do they deny GOD one might ask . WHEN THEY DENY JESUS CHRIST , THE TESTIMONY that GOD gave OF HIS SON
they DENY GOD , they call GOD a liar . YET WHO IS a liar , NOT GOD
who testified of JESUS CHRIST . ITS HE who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST , He is anti christ .
Anyone who goes around and teaches another go spell , is not a DOER OF THE WORD .
But is a DENIER of the WORD , no matter how much they try and teach aspects about GOD or CHRIST .
Its naught but a religios effort to save and it is not the gospel peter preached
unto EVEN CORNELIOUS who did much good . THE BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST part has BEEN OMITTED
and thus it is nothing more than doctrines of dark spirits using the decieved to pump out its false message .
To the trenches . Let all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST have no part with its lie
but rather expose the darkness it brings by THE LIGHT OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST . the ONLY GOSPEL that will save .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen! Hope Epi can "hear" that brother. Who then can be saved? WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. But only WITH GOD/CHRIST all things are possible.

Epi do as he do and has fallen for a two parts gospel . the GOSPEL was never about salvation outside of JESUS CHRIST .
IT was about salvation by BELIEVING IN JESUS CHRIST . Even cornelious , a man who did much good
had to still hear and believe the gospel of JESUS CHRIST , not epi , TO BE SAVED .
EPI is preaching another gospel . as you already know dear sister .
No matter how many aspects he might teach about the CROSS , about faith , about good works
ITS ALL IN VAIN the moment one lips the idea that one does not have TO FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
ALL IT IS , IS MANS OWN CREATED RELIGON . that is all IT IS they preach now .
a means and a way to save the lost , ONLY IT WONT BE SAVING ONE SOUL .
Its gospel came NOT OF GOD , but of men trapped in darkness who say WE SEE and yet they be blind .
Any who comes and tries to omit the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST
tries to down play in the dire need TO BELEIVE on JESUS THE CHRIST , IS NOT DOING THE WORK OF GOD of CHRIST .
But rather has cast out what it thinks is a life line to those drowning .
The life buoy they throw out has an outward appearance of a bouy but within are massive weights by which it will sink .
TIME for the church to offer up the ONLY TRUE GOPSEL that can save . THE GOSPEL OF GOD and of CHRIST
and not the man pleasing social gospel which saves none .

 

[amigo de christo]

Elamyus , the spirit behind that man rests not and does all now to turn all away from THE TRUE FAITH .
It do so by offering up a false hope and coming against those who still do preach the one true gospel , doing all
to make it seem as though we are the haters who condemn .
BUT TRUTH CONDEMNS NOT , TRUTH SAVES . its they who offer up condemnation unto the world .
For as i wrote afore and say often , IF YA OMIT the dire need to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
then ITS NAUGHT BUT CONDMENATION you offer unto all . TIME TO PREACH THE TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST .
NEVER be moved away into this other false hope that will save not one soul . Stand firm
having all hope in CHRIST JESUS , reminding all OF HIS GOSPEL , of HIS teachings . But beware
for many are now influenced by this other gospel , WHICH IS NO GOSPEL and will truly save none .

 

[Rita]

Perhaps you could refrain from attacking the person personally by name, instead post comments linked to the message.

 

[Episkopos]

We repent when we come to Christ, at least in a general sense. With more to come as we go along and the Lord shines His light so we can see and digs deeper in our hearts. A humble and contrite heart He does not despise. Of course the righteousness and love shed abroad in our hearts is His.......and to think that He has come to dwell in us by His Spirit is the wonderful truth. His Spirit, His love, His righteousness has come to dwell in the child of God by faith...and it is by His Spirit within us that we know the Lord as He is revealed to our hearts.

The righteousness of God never dwells in a person...it is a covering. An anointing ON a person. Only God is as righteous as God is. Do you sin with God's righteousness?

God's righteousness is like a tabernacle we enter into...like a tent. His banner OVER me is love. His covering anointing is like the covering of a husband over his wife. The head of every man is Christ.

We only become the righteousness of God to the world as we enter INTO Christ to abide with Him WHERE He is. This is akin to entering into the Promised Land.

So we should be careful to not get every thing mixed up...as we are all a mixture (erev) as we walk in the Wilderness.

 

[APAK]

The righteousness of God never dwells in a person...it is a covering. An anointing ON a person. Only God is as righteous as God is. Do you sin with God's righteousness?

God's righteousness is like a tabernacle we enter into...like a tent. His banner OVER me is love. His covering anointing is like the covering of a husband over his wife. The head of every man is Christ.

We only become the righteousness of God to the world as we enter INTO Christ to abide with Him WHERE He is. This is akin to entering into the Promised Land.

So we should be careful to get every thing mixed up...as we are all a mixture (erev) as we walk in the Wilderness.

Hogwash, and to show my unitarian nature and belief, we have this righteousness of God dwelling within us today. For real! And we sin with our own carnal righteousness, not from God.

However, we do have this perfect righteousness of God within us, by and from the spirit of Christ who dwells within us, Although we can never attain this perfect righteousness of God by our own means as it was necessary that we are imputed this same perfect righteousness. We are righteous as God because we have the real faith in Christ Yahshua who also justifies us to his Father.

Read your Bible and stop theorizing about an imaginary state of your own mind. With again some tabernacle you may have entered into as some sort of protective covering. like a covering of a husband over hos wife. Give me a break! And the same nonsense talk of we still have to enter into Christ when I'm already in Christ. I'm always ABIDING in Christ, as his spirit is transforming me, even now. It cannot be undone, and it's a work in progress. I hope someday you can say you are always abiding in Christ!

And we do not become righteous to the world. Maybe you do, not I. And this is not some work we do to be in eternal life today as in the elusive old Promised land that most Israelites did not believe that God already gave it to them. They lacked Christlike faith, and wanted to work themselves into and for it as you believe and want others to believe in a faith that is self-righteous and sin. Shame on you.

(2Co 5:21) He who knew no sin, he became a sin offering on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in him (JESUS - IN HIS SPIRIT).

And every genuine convert has already now become the righteousness of God dwelling within their own spirit as part of Christ's interwoven perfect spirit today. We are become more Christlike in conforming to his spirit.

Do you possess Christ's spirit within you Epi?

And good luck in your own wilderness walk to gain your own salvation as the Israelites also believed. It was a lost cause for them as I believe it is for you as well.

 

[Episkopos]

Hogwash, and to show my unitarian nature and belief, we have this righteousness of God dwelling within us today. For real! And we sin with our own carnal righteousness, not from God.

For a unitarian you are speaking out of two sides of the same mouth. The confusion you are exposing is very great. How can you have two sets of righteousness...each going contrary to the other...in the same soul? How much sin is in holiness? A sinful holiness idea is a product of the mixture we read about in the wilderness walk...the "erev rav" the MIXED multitide. But the Spirit and sin don't mix. So your foundation is wrong.

The truth is that holiness and sin don't mix. The hogwash is in your own mind.

Find ANY bible verse that suggests that holiness can be sinful...or that a holy vessel is also impure...or an impure vessel is also holy. You like to get me to post verses for you to confuse or ignore...but you have NO scriptural support for anything you say. Your judgments are exactly backward. I post the truth.

Prove your premise of a sinful holiness by biblical references...2 or more. You won't find one...but you will find the very opposite...that holiness and sin don't mix.

 

[Episkopos]

Being in Christ is not the same as abiding in Christ.

I will try to explain using an American example

To join the navy Seals (special forces group) one has first to join the navy. One cannot try out for the Seals without first joining the navy. So then the Seals are like the saints who get very hard training...at a level that most can't handle. Jesus said many would try to enter through the narrow gate but be unable. The Seals demand a high physical qualification...whereas to be a saint required a spiritual qualification...FAITH. Few have what it takes. Any sailor can apply to be a Seal...however, many are called but few are chosen.

We can follow Christ at many distances...suitable to what we can handle in terms of commitment and faith. Jesus has MANY followers...but few disciples and saints. Many are called but few are chosen.

Now if a potential Seal candidate washes out (pun intended) of the training..isn't he still in the navy? The same thing applies to the potential saint candidate who washes out of the higher walk. We can serve God on the righteousness level if not the holiness level. Of course we all want to see ourselves as having the potential to do all things...and we can...IF we have faith. God looks for faith...His decision and choice...not ours. Too many here make up God's mind for Him...deluding themselves. When God sees faith He translates the disciple in lower walk in the wilderness into the higher calling IN Christ. Then THAT person can be said to be seated in heaven with Christ. From faith INTO Faith! From our faith into the faith OF Christ. So we win Christ.

Using a baseball analogy a big leaguer who doesn't cut it is taken back into the minor leagues for more conditioning...or else to never come back to a major league team. Of course many will try to upgrade from the minor league into the major league and never make it. That represents the lion's share of baseball players....and also of believers...especially we modern ones.

 

[APAK]

For a unitarian you are speaking out of two sides of the same mouth. The confusion you are exposing is very great. How can you have two sets of righteousness...each going contrary to the other...in the same soul? How much sin is in holiness? A sinful holiness idea is a product of the mixture we read about in the wilderness walk...the "erev rav" the MIXED multitide. But the Spirit and sin don't mix. So your foundation is wrong.

The truth is that holiness and sin don't mix. The hogwash is in your own mind.

Find ANY bible verse that suggests that holiness can be sinful...or that a holy vessel is also impure...or an impure vessel is also holy. You like to get me to post verses for you to confuse or ignore...but you have NO scriptural support for anything you say. Your judgments are exactly backward. I post the truth.

Prove your premise of a sinful holiness by biblical references...2 or more. You won't find one...but you will find the very opposite...that holiness and sin don't mix.

All I have to say again Epi is really understand the righteousness of God in his word not your own.

• Romans 5:17: “For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one Jesus Christ.” (ESV)
• 2 Corinthians 5:21: “For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (ESV)
• Philippians 3:9: “And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that is based on faith.” (ESV)
• Galatians 2:20: “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.” (ESV)
• Colossians 1:27: “To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.” (ESV)

And you deny these words, wholesale.

 

[Adrift]

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[amadeus]

Wow!

Talk about mixed postings with bits of good to be found if one has time and searches carefully and a whole lot of accusations. God help me and all of us!

"Oh, I am right", saith one and another in direct opposition also saith, "I am right".and all seem to be saying, "My way or the highway... is the way it must be"!

Where is the Holy Spirit in all of this?

I had thought to add some my own thoughts, even to argue as others have done, but why should anyone listen to me...?

In spite of that, where should one begin? Perhaps with a proper foundation?

Do we not all know that God is right? Why is it so necessary that each of us be so completely right when we are certainly less than God? Is any one of us His specially anointed being and knowing the Truth even as Jesus did?

Consider this as a beginning for a proper foundation...

Heb 6:1	Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2	Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3	And this will we do, if God permit

Who is ready to move forward having already laid the foundation:

1) of repentance from dead works,
2) of faith toward God
3) of the doctrine of baptisms,
4) of laying on of hands,
5) of the resurrection of the dead,
6) and of eternal judgment.

So now then if we have accomplished all of these things as a foundation are we ready to go on to the perfection Jesus has asked of us?

Mt 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

But, of course, if everyone here is already right and comfortable where they are... they must know all of these things as God knows them. They must be ready then to go on to perfection. [Or... are any already there... at perfection?) If they do not know all of these things as God does, why are they so certain they are right on every point on this thread? Has anyone missed the lead of the Holy Spirit? Oh, of course, it must be the other fellow!

Consider again how much each of us has been given by God. Enough to go on to the perfection which is asked of us? If not, why not? "Much is given... much is required".

Jer 10:23

O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Who is it that should be directing us? If all are being led by the Holy Spirit, why is there a problem? What would Jesus do? Where is humility? Again... help us dear Lord!

 

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[Episkopos]

All I have to say again Epi is really understand the righteousness of God in his word not your own.

• Romans 5:17: “For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one Jesus Christ.” (ESV)

"Abundance of grace" is not the initial grace portion, sample or measure...but the fulness of God. Paul is ALWAYS testifying of the miraculous walk...the higher calling. We have God's righteousness as a covering as we reign through having a ZOE life...an eternal life that overcomes the world. And this happens through Christ...by abiding in Him.

Nothing says here that the righteousness of God is attributed to us...or that we don't retain our own behavioural responsibility.

• 2 Corinthians 5:21: “For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (ESV)

....in Him. In Him is no sin. Again, nothing about we having the righteousness of God inwardly. Paul called himself an ambassador...a representative of God.... he was not God himself. He was not like God. He had to submit to the Lord's leading.

• Philippians 3:9: “And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that is based on faith.” (ESV)

IN HIM...we are covered by His righteousness. Like entering into a tabernacle. It is the tabernacle that is holy...not us. We are to PUT ON Christ who is our holiness...to become partakers of HIS holiness. Look at other verses...not the ones that you have been indoctrinated by.

If you want to understand where the righteousness and holiness rests...

And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

“For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.”

• Galatians 2:20: “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.” (ESV)

Paul was crucified with Christ....and all who belong to Christ have been crucified in the outer man...ego gone. No more ego (I)...but Christ. No longer I ego) but Christ.

• Colossians 1:27: “To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.” (ESV)

And you deny these words, wholesale.

I teach the truth not some philosophical rendering that supports the carnal mind. The hope is in the higher walk...whereby Christ takes over from the ego. The hope is that a person who walks in an eternal life now...in the intimacy of an eternal life with God...will continue in that same intimacy forever...living inside God's glory. But to get that to happen requires FAITH...which so few have.

when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth?

Without faith it is impossible to please God. Those whose faith pleases Him are translated into the kingdom realm to walk where He is.

Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[Episkopos]

Wow!

Talk about mixed postings with bits of good to be found if one has time and searches carefully and a whole lot of accusations. God help me and all of us!

"Oh, I am right", saith one and another in direct opposition also saith, "I am right".and all seem to be saying, "My way or the highway... is the way it must be"!

Where is the Holy Spirit in all of this?

I had thought to add some my own thoughts, even to argue as others have done, but why should anyone listen to me...?

In spite of that, where should one begin? Perhaps with a proper foundation?

Do we not all know that God is right? Why is it so necessary that each of us be so completely right when we are certainly less than God? Is any one of us His specially anointed being and knowing the Truth even as Jesus did?

Consider this as a beginning for a proper foundation...

Heb 6:1	Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2	Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3	And this will we do, if God permit

Who is ready to move forward having already laid the foundation:

1) of repentance from dead works,
2) of faith toward God
3) of the doctrine of baptisms,
4) of laying on of hands,
5) of the resurrection of the dead,
6) and of eternal judgment.

So now then if we have accomplished all of these things as a foundation are we ready to go on to the perfection Jesus has asked of us?

Mt 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

But, of course, if everyone here is already right and comfortable where they are... they must know all of these things as God knows them. They must be ready then to go on to perfection. [Or... are any already there... at perfection?) If they do not know all of these things as God does, why are they so certain they are right on every point on this thread? Has anyone missed the lead of the Holy Spirit? Oh, of course, it must be the other fellow!

Consider again how much each of us has been given by God. Enough to go on to the perfection which is asked of us? If not, why not? "Much is given... much is required".

Jer 10:23

O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Who is it that should be directing us? If all are being led by the Holy Spirit, why is there a problem? What would Jesus do? Where is humility? Again... help us dear Lord!

It must be this way. A dogmatic ideology is meant to resist the truth. The truth is living. The ideologies are dead. Darkness cannot comprehend the light. Ideologies cannot comprehend the truth.

The deadness of the letter is what many put their trust in...assuming that by reading it...they have it. But the newness of the Spirit is too far out there...as if there is no such a thing as a walk that is higher than themselves or their present understanding.