Calvin, Servetus, and Health

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Michael Servetus - Burned alive October 27, 1553
John Calvin - Painful death May 27, 1564 at the age of 54

In time, with the authority of the Geneva city council, John Calvin would become the religious dictator of Protestant Geneva beginning around 1537. Fifty-eight people were executed during the first five years of Calvin’s rule, and seventy-six exiled. Most notorious was the case of Michael Servetus, the scientist and theologian with whom Calvin had corresponded earlier but disagreed on religious dogma. On John Calvin toasting Michael Servetus....

"Neither God nor his Spirit have counselled such an action. Christ did not treat those who negated him that way." - Italian poet Camillo Renato on the Servetus execution
"To kill a man is not to protect a doctrine, but it is to kill a man." - French humanist Sébastien Chateillon on the Servetus execution
"I consider it a serious matter to kill men because they are in error on some question of scriptural interpretation, when we know that even the elect ones may be led astray into error." - Michael Servetus

In which John Calvin counters... "Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are. There is no question here of man's authority; it is God who speaks, and clear it is what law he will have kept in the church, even to the end of the world. Wherefore does he demand of us a so extreme severity, if not to show us that due honor is not paid him, so long as we set not his service above every human consideration, so that we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and forget all humanity when the matter is to combat for His glory." - John Calvin

It seemed like Calvin himself would pay for such criminal deeds in this life (not to mention what awaits him in eternity) as his health receded in his fifties. John Calvin would develop kidney stones, hemorrhoids, infections, discharging purulent urine and suffered from painful renal colic. He also had painful gout, and sometimes had to preach sitting down. He was always constipated, took aloes “in an immoderate degree,” and required frequent enemas. His spleen was enlarged. He had periodic facial pain, possibly trigeminal neuralgia. He suffered from heartburn and indigestion, roundworm infestation (Ascaris), migraines, nervous dyspepsia, chronic insomnia, and recurrent hemoptyses.

Fatally ill, and with blood flowing from his mouth, the 54 year-old pastor-theologian was carried to Saint Pierre in a chair. At the age of 54 he died, probably from tuberculosis, although some authorities have considered subacute bacterial endocarditis. This same month he wrote of his tribulations to the doctors of Montpellier:

"But at that time [20 years ago] I was not attacked by gout, knew nothing of the stone or the gravel, was not tormented with the gripings of colic nor afflicted with piles nor threatened with haemorrhages. At present all these enemies charge me like troops. As soon as I recovered from a quartan fever, I was taken with severe and acute pains in my calves, which, after being partly relieved, returned a second and then third time. At last they turned into a disease of the joints, which spread from my feet to my knees. An ulcer in the haemorrhoid veins long tortured me ..." - John Calvin

In which I would wish a good riddance! We ought not develop complicated doctrine and have folks put to death for disagreeing with us. As the scripture says...

13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. - James 3
 
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Here we go the ritual of abusing Calvin.
I wonder how many people realise that through out Europe at that time to be a heretic was equivalent to treason and was punishable by death.

Who excited Sevetus, the council of Geneva, at that time Calvin was not a member of.

Sevetus was denounced as a heretic by the RCC while in Vienne France, but escaped, tried in his absence and convicted of heresy. They would have burnt him.

Calvin in his correspondence had told Sevetus not to come to Geneva.

May I suggest looking at the long list of people excited for heresy durring the 16th century and stop the ritual of abusing Calvin.
 
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Lets see quotes...

Italian poet Camillo Renato protested: "Neither God nor his spirit have counselled such an action. Christ did not treat those who negated him that way." And French humanist Sébastien Chateillon wrote: "To kill a man is not to protect a doctrine, but it is to kill a man." Servetus himself had said: "I consider it a serious matter to kill men because they are in error on some question of scriptural interpretation, when we know that even the elect ones may be led astray into error." - People of The Reformation

In time, with the authority of the Geneva city council, he became the religious dictator of Protestant Geneva, empowered to root out all manifestations of Catholicism and immorality. Fifty-eight people were executed during the first five years of Calvin’s rule, and seventy-six exiled. Most notorious was the case of Michael Servetus, the scientist and theologian with whom Calvin had corresponded earlier but disagreed on religious dogma. Specifically, Servetus denied the existence of the Trinity and maintained there was only one God. On his way to Italy he made the fatal error of passing through Geneva, was arrested, tried for heresy by the city council, and condemned to death. Calvin agreed with the sentence and wanted him beheaded. But the council decided to have him slowly roasted at the stake in a fire made expressly of green wood so that it would burn more slowly and prolong his agony. - John Calvin: his rule in Geneva and his many illnesses - Hektoen International

Calvins poor health... John Calvin

Servetus Execution - Everywhere including here... John Calvin justified killing his theological opponents with the Bible
 

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On his way to Italy he made the fatal error of passing through Geneva, was arrested, tried for heresy by the city council, and condemned to death. Calvin agreed with the sentence and wanted him beheaded
Your quote shows how silly your accusation is.
Calvin was not a member of the council who condemned Servitus to death.
He wanted a more merciful method.
 

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Here we go the ritual of abusing Calvin.

John Calvinism is a doctrine that is a cancer on the Body of Christ.
Its a mind blindness, a bewitching, regarding those who want to shout.....'IM A CALVINIST".

Pathetic really.

So, this deranged heretic, looked at John 3:16, that teaches that The Cross of Christ, that is God's LOVE Gift of Salvation to this World.....should be DENIED..

He hated the idea that everyone could become a child of God,.......and redefined "foreknowledge of God" as "God pre-destines some of you to burn in the lake of fire".

That is his "LIMITED ATONEMENT"..... demonic theology.

Hyper Calvinist nut bars, worshipers of Calvin, create FOURMS, on the Internet that are designed to trap a real believer, deceive a real believer, and ruin the faith of a True Christian.

His death was more merciful than he deserved, as this heretic's teaching has ruined the Christianity of Billions.
 

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A tale of three Johns…

1. John Bunyan - My favorite - Writings were included with jail time.
2. John Calvin - Writings were enforced with hate and violence.
3. John MacArthur - Writings included a righteous indignation against what he felt as wrong. In which he has the right to go.

Of the three I prefer John Bunyan…

1. Salvation - At the Cross
2. Sanctification - At the Interpreters House
3. Witness of the Spirit - At the Porters Hose
 

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A tale of three Johns…

1. John Bunyan - My favorite - Writings were included with jail time.
2. John Calvin - Writings were enforced with hate and violence.
3. John MacArthur - Writings included a righteous indignation against what he felt as wrong. In which he has the right to go.

Of the three I prefer John Bunyan…

1. Salvation - At the Cross
2. Sanctification - At the Interpreters House
3. Witness of the Spirit - At the Porters Hose
On dear your hero was a Calvin's.
See in next post a list of famous calvinists.
 

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Famous Calvinists Of The Past:​

 

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For balance famous armianians
1. Charles Wesley

2. John Wesley

4. Billy Sunday

5. Chuck Smith

6. A.W. Tozer

7. Andrew Murray

8. R.A. Torrey

9. Billy Graham

10. D.L. Moody

11. Oswald Chambers

12. C.S. Lewis

13. Thomas Oden

14. Alexander Maclaren

15. G. Campbell Morgan

16. F.B. Meyer

17. Paige Patterson

18. J. Vernon McGee

19. Howard Hendricks

20. Jacobus Arminius

21. Keith Green (the only musician that made the list)

22. Roger Olson

23. Ben Witherington III

24. Craig Keener

25. Ravi Zacharias

26. Joel B. Green

27. I. Howard Marshall

28. C.K. Barrett

29. Gordon Fee

30. Philip Towner

31. E.M. Bounds

32. James Dobson

33. Dave Hunt

34. William Lane Craig

35. Ray Comfort

36. Clark Pinnock

37. Thomas Aquinas

38. Charles Ryrie

39. Lewis Sperry Chafer

40. Adam Clarke

41. Hugo Grotius

42. John Goodwin
 

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Is Calvinism or TULIP, the Devil's finest Theology?

Well, if we rate those according to the numbers, then only the "cult of the Virgin" and ISLAM, can compare.

What makes Calvinism - TULIP, perhaps the worst of all the "doctrines of Devils". ????

Its because Calvinism - Tulip, can get you killed.

Let me share with you a story.., a true story, regarding a Calvinist-TULIP person.

They said.."""""Well, its all meant to be"""", (predestined) is what they told their Son who had developed advancing Muscular Dystrophy.

See that?

Now, their Son, was healed of this infirmity by God, but the parent's Calvinism was not.

Do you see how Calvinism - Tulip, can lead to the early and painful death of people who obsess on "pre-destination".

Just like this.. Think on this...

Jesus says...... when you are in a bad situation, then PRAY.....and allow God to heal you, or change the situation. (Deliverance).

Now, if the person is a devoutly deceived Calvinist-TULIP, such as the "DAD", in the story....then if DAD gets cancer, .. He BELIEVES it is "predestined"... by GOD.

So, in His case, or in the case of all who are deceived by this Calvinistic-TULIP idea of pre-destination.....you wont be able to believe God for your healing, because you have already believed that God has pre-destined your Cancer, or similar.

So, this Theology, based just on that aspect, makes it one of Satan's finest he has ever created though a Deceiver..., as it causes the Calvinist-Tulip, to stay sick and die, and at the same time, God is being blamed for what the Devil has caused that is going to kill them.

That is a SATANIC Masterpiece., regarding being a "doctrine of Devils'. Hebrews 13:9
 

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Michael Servetus - Burned alive October 27, 1553
John Calvin - Painful death May 27, 1564 at the age of 54

In time, with the authority of the Geneva city council, John Calvin would become the religious dictator of Protestant Geneva beginning around 1537. Fifty-eight people were executed during the first five years of Calvin’s rule, and seventy-six exiled. Most notorious was the case of Michael Servetus, the scientist and theologian with whom Calvin had corresponded earlier but disagreed on religious dogma. On John Calvin toasting Michael Servetus....

"Neither God nor his Spirit have counselled such an action. Christ did not treat those who negated him that way." - Italian poet Camillo Renato on the Servetus execution
"To kill a man is not to protect a doctrine, but it is to kill a man." - French humanist Sébastien Chateillon on the Servetus execution
"I consider it a serious matter to kill men because they are in error on some question of scriptural interpretation, when we know that even the elect ones may be led astray into error." - Michael Servetus

In which John Calvin counters... "Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are. There is no question here of man's authority; it is God who speaks, and clear it is what law he will have kept in the church, even to the end of the world. Wherefore does he demand of us a so extreme severity, if not to show us that due honor is not paid him, so long as we set not his service above every human consideration, so that we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and forget all humanity when the matter is to combat for His glory." - John Calvin

It seemed like Calvin himself would pay for such criminal deeds in this life (not to mention what awaits him in eternity) as his health receded in his fifties. John Calvin would develop kidney stones, hemorrhoids, infections, discharging purulent urine and suffered from painful renal colic. He also had painful gout, and sometimes had to preach sitting down. He was always constipated, took aloes “in an immoderate degree,” and required frequent enemas. His spleen was enlarged. He had periodic facial pain, possibly trigeminal neuralgia. He suffered from heartburn and indigestion, roundworm infestation (Ascaris), migraines, nervous dyspepsia, chronic insomnia, and recurrent hemoptyses.

Fatally ill, and with blood flowing from his mouth, the 54 year-old pastor-theologian was carried to Saint Pierre in a chair. At the age of 54 he died, probably from tuberculosis, although some authorities have considered subacute bacterial endocarditis. This same month he wrote of his tribulations to the doctors of Montpellier:

"But at that time [20 years ago] I was not attacked by gout, knew nothing of the stone or the gravel, was not tormented with the gripings of colic nor afflicted with piles nor threatened with haemorrhages. At present all these enemies charge me like troops. As soon as I recovered from a quartan fever, I was taken with severe and acute pains in my calves, which, after being partly relieved, returned a second and then third time. At last they turned into a disease of the joints, which spread from my feet to my knees. An ulcer in the haemorrhoid veins long tortured me ..." - John Calvin

In which I would wish a good riddance! We ought not develop complicated doctrine and have folks put to death for disagreeing with us. As the scripture says...

13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. - James 3
The reformation was a very confused, disorganized and yes bloody thing. While God used men like Calvin, Luther, Erasmus at. al. There were very human and many came out of long term darkness in Catholicism.

Human emotions were at time overcrowding what god was doing in getting the word to the common folk and spreading it. But God uses sinners. Still used David after the Bathsheba incident and Peter after denying Jesus and getting sucked up in legalism in Galatia.
 

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17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
I believe a pure heart is a foundational stone of Christianity. If we do not keep a pure heart we will not last in the faith. Easier said than done. I asked a pastor how i could overcome demons and keep them from inhabiting my body, he told me keep a pure heart.
 

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I believe a pure heart is a foundational stone of Christianity.

Hebrews 13:9

Get your HEART.. "established in God's Grace". = rooted, grounded, secured.

Why? because Demons and false doctrine, have no power to deceive you, if you learn that the Devil's core theology, will be to disagree that The Cross is the only way to God,.. John 14:6...... or that the Cross is freely given to ALL the "world". John 3:16

All heretics and cults are discovered, revealed and DENIED.... by The Cross, as they always negate it, deny it, Limit it, or add to it, some man's teaching. = "doctrine of Devils"
 

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Famous Calvinists Of The Past:​

Martin Luther?
 

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Every time you open a NT, God is speaking to us, on the pages.
He wrote it, .. they just wrote it down, for the most part....

WE can know we are "of the truth", first of all because Jesus IS THE Truth, ... John 14:6, and He is IN US.
This is one of the PROOFs that we are born again. = We are "OF the Truth" because we are "in Christ".
"Christ IN YOU< the Hope of Glory".

See... the word of God does not make you RIGHT.. It makes you Righteous and True.
The effect of the Spirit working in you, as you study the word, is that its Truth becomes yours.
So, when we have that.. we have the Truth in us., and we are not a Dark Light.

Luke 11:35


A partial verse says... "a workman that/who needeth not to be ASHAMED"...

And how is it that a Believer is a shame to the NT?

Its when their Theology is confused and has issues with God's Grace.

Can a believer be deceived?
A.) most are.

And that is because of one simple thing....
= Its a belief issue, that is related to not understanding GRACE. (Hebrews 13:9).

And once the born again believer, has come to the perfected understanding of God's Grace as Christ's Cross, then they are safe from 'Doctrines of Devils."
Calvin can't get then you then.
The Pope can't get you then,.
None of the cults can get your mind, once your mind is renewed = revelation knowledge regarding God's GRACe.

See, when you truly know what Jesus has accomplished on the Cross, that God has ETERNALLY IMPUTED to US, the born again.. when this is fully realized as the LIGHT of revelation, then CALVIN and the POPE and the MORMONS and the JW's and all these "cross confused" CULTS, and their MINISTERS..... can not infect your mind with their THEOLOGY.. on the FORUM, or from the PULPIT or in the Video or Commentary.

And they CAN until you have "worked out your salvation" and that is by "walking in the Spirit" and that is all done in your BELIEVING.
Is is right, or is it wrong?
If its wrong then the Cult's will get you.

See, wrong theology is a spiritual sickness and it'll may make you very sick, in your head, in your heart, and in your life.

The ANTIDOTE for that, is to not become one of those, and the way you do that, is to "get your heart established with God's Grace".

= THE REVELATION OF it..
Hebrews 13:9
Once you are there, then your mind is "one" with NT Truth., = Paul's Doctrine... and then the Devil can't get you caught up in his "doctrines of Devils" .. reader.