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Write it down? Are we living in the 90s?Why don't you write that down the next time you decide to go shopping, or have someone go the store for you?
Alexa…add printer paper to my to buy list
Alexa…buy printer paper.
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Write it down? Are we living in the 90s?Why don't you write that down the next time you decide to go shopping, or have someone go the store for you?
That is an option?Write it down? Are we living in the 90s?
Alexa…add printer paper to my to buy list
Alexa…buy printer paper.
Yes. You can set up alexa so that purchases go to your account to order things thru AmazonThat is an option?
Typical 'cherrypicking'.Except nothing here about martyrs. Those who are dead in Christ are those who died in the Lord, believers in Christ.
In 1 Cor 15:50-56, Paul is Prophesying about what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment. AFTER the Millennium.Resurrection. the same event in 1 Thessalonians 4 and in 1 Corinthians 15, and neither can people die any more after their resurrection of them to life from the dead.
I seldom go out and I don't have anyone to ask to buy a couple reams. Your post is still in the printer queue, so I will get to it. I just wanted you to know it is important to me even if it doesn't appear to be. I have a doctor's appt. on 12/5 so will get it then if not before.Why don't you write that down the next time you decide to go shopping, or have someone go the store for you?
Then why was Paul quoting Isa 25, “in this mountain”, which could only be the mountain that grows after the stone destroys Daniel’s statue? The same mountain as a figure for his Kingdom when he begins to reign. That event is 1k years before the GWTJ, not after it. The same thing recorded in 2 Timothy 4:8 where Paul links that day to 2 Tim 4:1 which is at the 7th trumpet.In 1 Cor 15:50-56, Paul is Prophesying about what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment. AFTER the Millennium.
I sure wish they were right!True. So how can we know who is right from the Bible?
Acts 3:21 - Christ cannot leave Heaven till all is restored or at least removed for restoration. Impossible on a Pre-Trib timeline
Job 14:12 - Impossible on a Pre-Trib timeline because that event is the 6th seal making our change sometime afterwards. Which Peter identifies in 2 Peter 3:10 or Isaiah 51:6
2 Timothy 4:1 - Impossible on a Pre-Trib timeline because the judgment and receiving our crown are tied to his appearing in his kingdom and that happens at the 7th trumpet per Rev 11:15-18
The first resurrection - Rev 20:5
Strongs defines the word protos as foremost in order of time, place, order or importance. No other resurrection can precede it. That implies a resurrection in Ch 4 an impossibility!
Last trumpet - eschatology is 2078 ésxatos (from esxaton, "end, last") – properly, last, final (the furthest, extreme-end).
If the last trumpet was in Ch 4, how are there other trumpets after it? Last means no more can follow at all.
Well of course there will be saved people on teh earth up until Jesus returns.And as you can read this is also the resurrection of the dead in Christ at the same time.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
The above has the second coming, the rapture and the resurrection of the dead in Christ, also showing there are living in the flesh believers on earth at this time.
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
God shortens those tribulation days only for the sake of the elect believers otherwise none of them would survive the time of the great tribulation.
It says 'flesh', so these elect saved persons are still in the body before the 2nd coming and resurrection.
So where does this fit in with your theology of the mark of the beast and not being able to buy or sell in the economy, obviously all these statements are true.
1stcenturylady, I trust you will, perhaps even the one sinlessness is the one you are talking about. Thank you for saying what you have, my hope is for Gods glory, in Christ, and not my own glory. The day (4th) prior, my work will most likely have me do some reassessment test because its been two years being there. Hope your check up, will go well, my mom has an appointment on wednesday, for mamogram, check for any cancer cells or any other abnormalities. Thank you again, and may God be with.I seldom go out and I don't have anyone to ask to buy a couple reams. Your post is still in the printer queue, so I will get to it. I just wanted you to know it is important to me even if it doesn't appear to be. I have a doctor's appt. on 12/5 so will get it then if not before.
I wish they were right as well. It sounds wonderful, I say that honestly. I asked one person once, if a King who is exiled or perhaps left his lands and in either case another king came and took control of it, would the one in exile/left his lands reward his servants in those lands under that false king and flee with them back into exile or would he first take back the realm and then reward his servants that fight for him? Hmm!I sure wish they were right!
I stand on Luke 21:36
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
and Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
If "escape" means physical death before the GT starts (if we aren't in it right now which I think we are Isaiah 5:20) or divine protection, we'll know very soon.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Dieing to the Lord or blessed are the dead that die in the Lord?And of course, dying in the Lord you escape those things also.
It is here in Rev 14., only those who die in the Lord are saved, meaning they are faithful unto death. Not that all believers will die.Dieing to the Lord or blessed are the dead that die in the Lord?
There was no one left to record this happening and unbelievers did not see it cause they didnt believe.
Hello ewq,All will see the second coming including unbelievers.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
One of many ways we know Jesus did not come in 70AD.
Hello ewq,
Many people suggest this.
I dont believe that is true. You may if you desire. When it comes to that text itself I believe that pertains to believers.
Perhaps it would be those who turned to God after having put the Son of God to death. You may continue to persist in your view if you decide so…It says all, and mentions those who pierced him. All includes unbelievers, and the ones who pierced him were also unbelievers. The scripture shows you are wrong. If unbelievers did not see Christ return in 70AD, he did not return then.
And as you can read this is also the resurrection of the dead in Christ at the same time.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
The above has the second coming, the rapture and the resurrection of the dead in Christ, also showing there are living in the flesh believers on earth at this time.
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
God shortens those tribulation days only for the sake of the elect believers otherwise none of them would survive the time of the great tribulation.
It says 'flesh', so these elect saved persons are still in the body before the 2nd coming and resurrection.
So where does this fit in with your theology of the mark of the beast and not being able to buy or sell in the economy, obviously all these statements are true.