Daniel 9:27 the covenant to be confirmed

[covenantee]

he has not yet fulfilled the military and political prophecies of the Messiah and they necessarily remain in force and effect.

See post 20. They cannot remain in force and effect, because they have been transcended and replaced by the promissory clauses of the New Testamentary Will, which came into full force and effect upon the death of Christ.

It is Christ Himself who is the fulfillment of all of the OT promises and prophecies. 2 Corinthians 1:20

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

 

[Earburner]

What is true is that the old testamentary will has been replaced by the New Testamentary Will, which declares:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

As you have ref. Rom. 8, let's tie that up with KJV Rom. 8:8-9.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh [only] cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Just in those words alone, prove that the Old Covenant was only "a shadow of good things to come", which is Christ, and the New Covenent that was "confirmed" by Him, as prophesied, being the 70th week.
KJV Dan. 9[27] And he [Jesus] shall confirm the covenant with many FOR ONE WEEK: and in the midst of the week he [Jesus] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [Jesus] shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that "determined"[Dan. 9:24] shall be POURED UPON the DESOLATE [those who are VOID of God]. KJV Acts 10
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was POURED OUT the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Wrangler]

A covenant does not exist until both parties agree to its terms and conditions.

That which does not exist is neither confirmed nor valid.

Woah! I did not say the covenants do not exist. I said they do not have to be confirmed as you imply, which is merely a Strawman, supposing only what is in the NT is valid.

Also, several of the covenants are unilateral restrainst God put on himself, such as to Noah in not destroying the world again by water.

 

[Wrangler]

The New Covenant is uniquely also the New Testament i.e. testamentary will.

That's not relevent to the conversation. And it is interesting to note that the source of this new testament is found in the OT book of Jeremiah.

 

[Wrangler]

That which has been fulfilled, i.e. completed/realized/achieved, requires no re-fulfillment i.e. re-completion/re-realization/re-achievement.

You keep moving the goal posts. Covenants that exist from covenants that are abolished. For instance a law that was used to determine the winner of the 1800 election is not later abolished to retroactively invalidate the 1800 election.

 

[Wrangler]

They cannot remain in force and effect, because they have been transcended and replaced by the promissory clauses of the New Testamentary Will, which came into full force and effect upon the death of Christ.

Laps on ground already covered.

 

[Earburner]

Laps on ground already covered.

You don't understand that the 70th week was completely fulfilled by Jesus in His first appearance.

 

[Wrangler]

You don't understand that the 70th week was completely fulfilled by Jesus in His first appearance.

Huh? Are you saying there are no unfulfilled prophecies left for Jesus? If so, why is there a 2nd Coming?

 

[Earburner]

The covenant referred to in Daniel 9:27 is the same covenant in Daniel 9:4. In the New Testament we have no testimony by any of the writers of Jesus confirming the new covenant for 7 years.

What some persons have done is taken bits and pieces to build a hypothesis about the new covenant being confirmed for 7 years.

The covenant to be confirmed for 7 years is the same as in Daniel 9:4 - the Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses made a requirement to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle.

The Mt. Sinai covenant established the daily sacrifice that will be stopped in the middle part of the 7 year 70th week.

Those 7 years will follow the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

It appears to me that your belief system is of the Pre-mil view, of which is diametrically opossed to the Amil view.

The book of Rev. Is highly symbolic/"signified", being from God the Father Himself Rev. 1:1
Therefore, Rev. is NOT to be read entirely by linear thinking/chronologically, as how the minds of men do think, but rather how the Holy Spirit of God thinks, aka "the mind of Christ". Isa. 55:8-9; 1 Cor. 2:5, 14-16.
Edit:
Therefore, I am assuming that you do interpret Dan. 9:24-27 far differently then do Amillenialists. You see the 70th week moved out of it's context, and then attached into the far future.

 

[Earburner]

Huh? Are you saying there are no unfulfilled prophecies left for Jesus? If so, why is there a 2nd Coming?

The Day of Jesus' Glorious return will be the "consumation", which is the end of God's present Age of His Grace towards men on earth. KJV Dan. 9:27.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the [Temple] sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate [the Temple and it's services], even until the consummation, and that determined (vs. 24) shall be poured upon the DESOLATE, aka the Day of Pentecost. Acts 10:45.

Is not the Holy Spirit still being poured out upon all people, who believe in Jesus?

 

[covenantee]

You keep moving the goal posts. Covenants that exist from covenants that are abolished. For instance a law that was used to determine the winner of the 1800 election is not later abolished to retroactively invalidate the 1800 election.

Do you consider a Better Covenant established upon Better Promises (Hebrews 8:6), to be moving the goal posts?

 

[covenantee]

That's not relevent to the conversation. And it is interesting to note that the source of this new testament is found in the OT book of Jeremiah.

It's in Scripture (Hebrews 9:15-17). Thus it's relevant. Prophesied in the OT, fulfilled in the NT (Hebrews 8:6-13).

 

[Wrangler]

It's in Scripture (Hebrews 9:15-17). Thus it's relevant.

Bless your heart!

 

[covenantee]

Bless your heart!

And yours.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why it will be the Mt. Sinai covenant.

Deuteronomy 31, Moses starts off by speaking to all Israel, i.e. the people gathered together, saying that he was 120 years old and not as fit as he once was. And that the LORD told him he would not be entering the promised land. But also informing them that God will destroy the nations in the land that they would inherit.

Then after giving some encouraging words to Joshua, in verses 7-8, Moses wrote a law which is essentially instructions to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year basis and handed it to the priests there that day.

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

In the law, instructions, Moses commanded them to

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

So the cycle was set after that first seven years. And has been done every seven years since - unless circumstances like being in exile from the land prevented it. It has not been done in recent times because of the access issue to the temple mount.

Moses continued....

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

The place of God's choosing is currently taken to be the temple mount by the Jews. I was informed by the Jews (Judaism) themselves of their position.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

So the whole nation is going to be a participant to confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant of God giving the promised land as their forever.
You can see how that would not go over with Muslims under the current circumstances. So it will be done once the Muslim presence is removed from the temple mount - i.e. following Gog/Magog.

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Moses was intent that future generations would not forget everything the children of Israel of his generation went through under the Mt. Sinai covenant by which God gave them the promised land as theirs forever.

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So that ceremonial event will be overseen by the Antichrist on the feast of tabernacles from the temple mount. A big speech, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle established by Moses. The false prophet will also take part in the ceremony in my view.






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The covenant is not the Mosaic Covenant or the Covenant of Law. It is a covenant made by the antichrist and Israel.

Israel would never ever anoint as king a gentile

 

[Douggg]

The covenant is not the Mosaic Covenant or the Covenant of Law. It is a covenant made by the antichrist and Israel.

Israel would never ever anoint as king a gentile

I agree that the person must be a Jew to be anointed the King of Israel messiah.

The Antichrist person is also descended from the Julio-Claudian bloodline.

In Judaism, to be a Jew, a person's mother must be a Jew. The Antichrist person will be a Jew.

 

[covenantee]

I agree that the person must be a Jew to be anointed the King of Israel messiah.

The Antichrist person is also descended from the Julio-Claudian bloodline.

In Judaism, to be a Jew, a person's mother must be a Jew. The Antichrist person will be a Jew.

What if his mother is a Gentile convert to Babylonian talmudism?

There's no such thing as "Judaism".

 

[ewq1938]

The covenant is not the Mosaic Covenant or the Covenant of Law. It is a covenant made by the antichrist and Israel.

Israel would never ever anoint as king a gentile

They have accepted and served a gentile king in the past so no reason to think they wouldn't again.

Joh 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

 

[covenantee]

It is a covenant made by the antichrist and Israel.

Where in Scripture is that?

 

[Douggg]

You see the 70th week moved out of it's context, and then attached into the far future.

The 70th week of Daniel 9 is time of the end because the vision in Daniel 9:24 to be completed is that of the little horn person's time of the end activities. That is the context.