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amigo de christo
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Stay refreshed in prayer and sound biblical doctrine my friend . far too many are being led away by emotions and feelings
Let us stick to what GOD inspired as our meat . HIS WORDS . march on my friend . THE LORD is with us
and HE is our hope and our salvation .
Thank you my friend!
The Scriptures are a unique collection of writings...that either a madman genius or a God wrote over a period of 35000 years by 40+ authors.
Now the interpretation of the scriptures are often very flawed due to poor hermeneutics.
But the writings are written on an extremely complex level. Many levels of intent and purpose in EVERY book.
The accuracy of what was originally written being preserved today?
Actually yes....very much so.
Maybe a word here and there or a sentence but nothing that will change any of the sins or major theologies held today. And these contested scriptures are always noted in study Bibles.
How can themes going across 40+ books and 3,000 years happen? Then there's the accuracy of prophesy....
Now the interpretation of the scriptures are often very flawed due to poor hermeneutics.
But the writings are written on an extremely complex level. Many levels of intent and purpose in EVERY book.
The accuracy of what was originally written being preserved today?
Actually yes....very much so.
Maybe a word here and there or a sentence but nothing that will change any of the sins or major theologies held today. And these contested scriptures are always noted in study Bibles.
How can themes going across 40+ books and 3,000 years happen? Then there's the accuracy of prophesy....
Is it the devil's work to point out Biblical inconsistencies that prove just how much the human element is at work in Scripture? I don't think so. We can respectfully disagree on this.
amigo de christo
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Whether its done in ignorance or not it is the work of darkness .
What folks see as inconsistencies are a huge lack of understanding .
example . many try and pit james and paul against each other and say they contradicted each other
concering faith and works . WHEN in truth THEY DONT . this is simply a lack of understanding on the part of the person
who is doing such a thing .
Even paul spoke about how one can DENY THE FAITH by not DOING .
IF any provides not for his own ,specially for those of his own household HE has DENIED the FAITH .
James also knew IT WAS TRUE FAITH that did save . But he was explaining the difference
between true faith and dead faith .
Often this is done through the minds of either babes , or the denominations of men who picked and chose
a certain teaching and were not rightly dividing the word .
What many see as inconsitences or errors or contradictions , ARE NOT . its a lack of understanding
a lack of learning the bible for themselves .
AND OH YES it is a work of darkness to try and say the human element at work in scripture .
Because ALL SCRIPTURE was INSPIRED BY GOD . its men who mess it up and lack understanding
that are at fault . GOD inspired torah . and believe me He had men who recopied it
accurately through the ages . EVEN though the leaders were bankrupt in many places
STILL GOD preserved the torah . JUST as HE DID with the letters of the apostels and etc .
The inconsistencies you THINK exist , they are but a lack of understanding . We need to triple
down on getting people back into the bible not trying to do the work of the dark one who is
trying to twist things .
Eternally Grateful
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Belief (faith)
I agree, there is right faith and there is wrong faith. But I think it may be easier to see what ones faith is in.
Abraham Believed God. He trusted God. (although we see in the records it was not a perfect trust) But he trusted him anyway. and God accounted or imputed to him as righteousness based on his trust in God.
on the other hand, we see many of Abraham offspring also said they had faith or trusted God. but did they?
We see in their dealing with Christ that their faith was not so much in God. but in their works. Their faith in themselves was so strong, they ended up Crucifying their messiah who came to save them.
so we see both sides of faith or a false and true faith.
Abraham trusted God. His faith caused him to walk. And God grew his faith.
His offspring sadly trusted in self. and Their walk was fake and self righteous. And god rejected their faith.
The same things happens today. We have religious faith (faith in self) and Godly faith (faith in God)
sadly. like the op posted. we also have Calvinistic faith or fatalistic faith. which in my view is realy no faith at all..
I agree, there is right faith and there is wrong faith. But I think it may be easier to see what ones faith is in.
Abraham Believed God. He trusted God. (although we see in the records it was not a perfect trust) But he trusted him anyway. and God accounted or imputed to him as righteousness based on his trust in God.
on the other hand, we see many of Abraham offspring also said they had faith or trusted God. but did they?
We see in their dealing with Christ that their faith was not so much in God. but in their works. Their faith in themselves was so strong, they ended up Crucifying their messiah who came to save them.
so we see both sides of faith or a false and true faith.
Abraham trusted God. His faith caused him to walk. And God grew his faith.
His offspring sadly trusted in self. and Their walk was fake and self righteous. And god rejected their faith.
The same things happens today. We have religious faith (faith in self) and Godly faith (faith in God)
sadly. like the op posted. we also have Calvinistic faith or fatalistic faith. which in my view is realy no faith at all..
Each denomination has their own translation of the scriptures....
That in itself should tell you that translations are not the most straightforward. You can use synonymous words to highlight/promote or to de-emphasise something. Then provide chapter and verse numbers to really confuse people by breaking up the scriptures unnaturally.
If you view an English translation made in South Africa you can see that they emphasize the scriptures differently than UK or American scriptures do.
All of these are working with the same manuscript conglomeration....
Add to the mix the highly personalized interpretation hermeneutics and viola....a slew of denominations abound. (Some people use nothing but flat reading...cough cough.... many above in this thread...cough cough. )
Homer's Illead has 4 copies of old manuscripts....but nobody argues about lines, interpretation, translation, and accuracy. Nobody even tries. But it seems that everyone argues against these things when it comes to scriotures....because they don't want the Bible to say what it does or they don't want to it to be true...because if the Bible is true then they are in trouble.
But.....
Equal distant letter spacing (a word or phrase is spelled consistently when using a strict character count) and the interconnected lines and subject matter (a rhyme using the formula of ABBcA . BCCdB. CDDeC) and on it goes continuously.
So....things become broken when the contents are changed.
We are sure of the accuracy of scriptures....the interpretation? Not so much.
What is wrong faith?
A few examples....
1). Its any faith that does not BELIEVE that Jesus Keeps you saved.
2.) Wrong faith is any faith that suggests that The Cross of Christ only started your salvation, and now its on you to finish it.
3.) Wrong faith is trying to perform for God, believing that this is your salvation.
4.) Wrong faith is believing that water baptism washed your sin away.
5.). Wrong faith is believing that you have to agree to make Jesus ..= LORD, before God will forgive you to begin with.
A few examples....
1). Its any faith that does not BELIEVE that Jesus Keeps you saved.
2.) Wrong faith is any faith that suggests that The Cross of Christ only started your salvation, and now its on you to finish it.
3.) Wrong faith is trying to perform for God, believing that this is your salvation.
4.) Wrong faith is believing that water baptism washed your sin away.
5.). Wrong faith is believing that you have to agree to make Jesus ..= LORD, before God will forgive you to begin with.
amigo de christo
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For if you BELEIVE NOT that i am HE , THE CHRIST , ye shall DIE IN YOUR SINS .
Reader...
God requires faith in Christ before He gives you HIS "Gift of Salvation."
Jesus said..>"all that believe in me".....>He never said..>>"all that i cause to Believe will believe"., as that is John Calvinism's demonic twist on it.
Jesus is not a Calvinist.
Listen and think....
= If God caused you to have faith in Christ, He would not require you to believe In Him ., as there would be no need for the requirement that you "BELIEVE".
Now, within everyone is the capacity to believe, as that is a "measure of Faith."
All have it.
Even right now unbelievers believe in something..... but that is wrong faith... but its still faith, and God didnt make them believe wrong,, and God does not make them believe right..
He allows us all to believe and this is why preachers preach, and teachers teach. We are giving you the TRUTH To Believe in....
Its why the world of unbelievers are always being led (drawn by The Cross and the Holy Spirit) into RIGHT FAITH, that God will accept.
See.. .and listen now.. Readers...
An Atheist has FAITH.... just like a Believer has Faith.
The Atheist BELIEVES there is NO GOD and No Salvation needed, as that is their FAITH, and God can't accept that Faith.
BECAUSE..."all who come to GOD must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS">... = Hebrews 11:6
whereas....
The Believer's FAITH is IN CHRIST, and God accepts THAT Faith, the very moment it's in your heart.
See it?
Both have a "measure of Faith" but the Believer's Faith, is the Faith that God accepts.
Here is another way to see it, Reader.
Cain and Abel both went to God, but Cain was rejected because he did it the wrong way.
BOTH BELIEVED in GOD...
See it?
Both had FAITH, but God has a WAY you must believe, that you must come to Him... and in the NT, .. .TODAY>.. = JESUS IS THE WAY....The Cross of Christ.
John 14:6
God requires faith in Christ before He gives you HIS "Gift of Salvation."
Jesus said..>"all that believe in me".....>He never said..>>"all that i cause to Believe will believe"., as that is John Calvinism's demonic twist on it.
Jesus is not a Calvinist.
Listen and think....
= If God caused you to have faith in Christ, He would not require you to believe In Him ., as there would be no need for the requirement that you "BELIEVE".
Now, within everyone is the capacity to believe, as that is a "measure of Faith."
All have it.
Even right now unbelievers believe in something..... but that is wrong faith... but its still faith, and God didnt make them believe wrong,, and God does not make them believe right..
He allows us all to believe and this is why preachers preach, and teachers teach. We are giving you the TRUTH To Believe in....
Its why the world of unbelievers are always being led (drawn by The Cross and the Holy Spirit) into RIGHT FAITH, that God will accept.
See.. .and listen now.. Readers...
An Atheist has FAITH.... just like a Believer has Faith.
The Atheist BELIEVES there is NO GOD and No Salvation needed, as that is their FAITH, and God can't accept that Faith.
BECAUSE..."all who come to GOD must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS">... = Hebrews 11:6
whereas....
The Believer's FAITH is IN CHRIST, and God accepts THAT Faith, the very moment it's in your heart.
See it?
Both have a "measure of Faith" but the Believer's Faith, is the Faith that God accepts.
Here is another way to see it, Reader.
Cain and Abel both went to God, but Cain was rejected because he did it the wrong way.
BOTH BELIEVED in GOD...
See it?
Both had FAITH, but God has a WAY you must believe, that you must come to Him... and in the NT, .. .TODAY>.. = JESUS IS THE WAY....The Cross of Christ.
John 14:6
quietthinker
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If a gift becomes an exchange is is not a gift, it is a trade. Presenting God's gift as a trade (exchange) does violence to God's generosity and becomes a gross misrepresentation.
One is not compelled to treasure a gift, one can in fact do with it as one pleases, discard it, ignore it, trample on it, misrepresent it....either way, it remains a gift.....and never a trade.
Salvation is 3 Gifts.
"The Gift of Salvation"
"The Gift of Righteousness"
"The Gift of Eternal Life"
"All who call on the name of Jesus (by faith)shall be saved".
To "be saved" is to be forgiven all sin, and born again.
All of this is RECEIVED by the BELIEVER when their "Faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness..= (First).
quietthinker
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Jesus on the Cross, His Death, and then His resurrection, is the "Good news".
Why is it good news?
Well, what could be better news then to find out that you can have eternal life, forgiveness of all your sin, and Heaven becomes your home, all because Jesus died for you.
Welcome To : The "Gift of Salvation".
Dont die without it., Reader., as there is no 2nd Chance in Hell.
quietthinker
Well-Known Member
The Cross of Christ is more than "Advice".
It's where God's Eternal Life and Forgiveness for your sin is found.
People who have died and their spirit went to Hell, since you and I started conversing on the Forum, now believe in Jesus, and they beleive in Hell also.
There is no 2nd chance for them..
They died "in Damnation"...
They are of THIS VERSE..
John 3:36...
And that WRATH of God, is still on them, because Jesus never became their Savior.
quietthinker
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