What does it mean "there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus".....

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1 John 2:3-4, " Now by this we know that we have come to know God: if we keep his commandments. The one who says “I have come to know God” and yet does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in such a person." This has nothing to do with being saved. It has to do with keeping God's commandments, so your point is dismissed as irrelevant.

This is not referring to the 613 Commandments Of Moses.....” Christ is THE END OF THE LAW for all of those that Believe....That “ belief” spoken of is the first half of the total Commandments that Jesus left us with, this side of the Cross ....we got TWO Commandments now .....we are DEAD to the Law Of Moses.....Command #1 — Believe. Command #2 — Love

Still craving a LAW ? We have ONE LAW—— it’s called “ The Law Of Christ”......are you ready for it? “ Take on the Burdens Of Others “....... happy, Pappy ?
 

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Pay no attention to those who don't understand the truth and reply to your message inappropriately, including "Gospel Believer".. You are correct in what you write. God bless.


I disagree but I will forever defend your right to be wrong....this is only your opinion and opinions don’t count for much in these parts......show me you Chapter and Verse....IN CONTEXT!
 

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There most definitely is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, as all their sins have been forgiven them by God.
God gave them to Christ as His children, they are family. God saves and loves those who belong to Him.
The New Covenant and how it works God tells us in

Hebrews 8
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

A New Covenant​

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”


13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
 
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If you are a member of the New Covenant, then Christ has taught you, the Spirit has drawn you to Christ, no man has done this, and placed you into the body.
And you have been forgiven all of your sin, and have a new beginning as you are now a new creation in Christ, that is the SAVED PART OF YOU, the old man of the flesh still clings, as we do not yet fully escape from that until the resurrection, and we get a new glorified body.

Ephesians 4

The New Man​

17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Do Not Grieve the Spirit​

25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give [g]place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary [h]edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.

30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, [i]clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
 

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It is not required to repent for something you haven't done, repenting is only when you just become Christian: Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,.
 
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This is not referring to the 613 Commandments Of Moses.....” Christ is THE END OF THE LAW for all of those that Believe....That “ belief” spoken of is the first half of the total Commandments that Jesus left us with, this side of the Cross ....we got TWO Commandments now .....we are DEAD to the Law Of Moses.....Command #1 — Believe. Command #2 — Love

Still craving a LAW ? We have ONE LAW—— it’s called “ The Law Of Christ”......are you ready for it? “ Take on the Burdens Of Others “....... happy, Pappy ?
Why the unChristian sarcasm??? I never said that my post referred to the 613 commandments of Moses. I am under grace, not under law, so save your judgement for others, Mr. Pharisee.
 

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I disagree but I will forever defend your right to be wrong....this is only your opinion and opinions don’t count for much in these parts......show me you Chapter and Verse....IN CONTEXT!
Again, why the unChristian attitude? I don't know what "parts" you're in, but it certainly isn't resting in Christ. And I don't have to show you anything. If you're a "Gospel Believer", why don't you behave accordingly, Mr. Pharisee?
 

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It is not required to repent for something you haven't done, repenting is only when you just become Christian: Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,.

Acts 17, Paul tells the unbelieving, that God commands them to repent and believe in the Son

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.


Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.

30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
 

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2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

To have a godly sorrow means God is at work in their life
God's goodness rejected means eternal destruction. It was good of God to send His Son.

4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your [a]impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the [c]Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
 

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The punishment of the believer's sin, God laid on Christ. He bore that in our place. Without Christ dying for your sin, you could not have had eternal life in heaven with God. Christ dies so that those who believe in Him have eternal life.

1 Peter 2
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for [e]us, leaving [f]us an example, that you should follow His steps:

22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose [g]stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and [h]Overseer of your souls.

The punishment of the unbeliever's sins, as in the wrath of God, still abides on them. They still live in their sins, and will perish in them.
But we who believe died to sin. Sin no longer reigns over us.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 8
21 Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

22 So the Jews said, “Will He kill Himself, because He says, ‘Where I go you cannot come’?”

23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

25 Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”

And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him.”

27 They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father.
 

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Rom 8:1 . .There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in
Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

A portion of the verse is stricken to indicate the KJV's editors took the liberty
to pencil it into the their translation, i.e. it's not in the Greek manuscript.
That being the case, then Rom 8:1 is supposed to say:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus."

* Jesus is sort of like Noah's ark. While all hell was breaking loose outside,
everybody inside was safe and secure.
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I believe the manuscript to be "there is therefore no confemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walks not in the flesh, but by the Spirit." The reason is because I actually feel condemned when I don't listen to God, it comes upon me even though I try to not feel anything about it and say it's ok, so all-in-all, I feel it seems that you do get condemned/punished, it comes with a consequence, but when you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteouness again and if you pray with a broken and contrite heart, He will not despise and when you always have a repentant heart, a mind which always wants to do right and please God and listen to Him because it's wise to listen to the all-wise who can see things which you cannot see, then you will not be put to shame. You will still be saved, but what about the scripture that says "My sheep hear My voice and follow Me", I don't understand how that will justify what I just said, anyone?
 

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I believe the manuscript to be "there is therefore no confemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walks not in the flesh, but by the Spirit." The reason is because I actually feel condemned when I don't listen to God, it comes upon me even though I try to not feel anything about it and say it's ok, so all-in-all, I feel it seems that you do get condemned/punished, it comes with a consequence, but when you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteouness again and if you pray with a broken and contrite heart, He will not despise and when you always have a repentant heart, a mind which always wants to do right and please God and listen to Him because it's wise to listen to the all-wise who can see things which you cannot see, then you will not be put to shame. You will still be saved, but what about the scripture that says "My sheep hear My voice and follow Me", I don't understand how that will justify what I just said, anyone?
Maybe it will justify as when God says "My sheep hear My voice and follow Me" it probably means that the Christians who do not 'intentionally' or "practise" sin will be saved. there's a difference when you don't "practise" sin, it means you put in the effort but couldn't help it, you were weak. Anyone have something contrary to this? thoughts? Thanks!
 

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I just read a study of the bible meaning, "My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me. No one can snatch them out of My hand", it means they are obedient and recognize God's leading by reading the Word of God and having a relationship with Him. We can also be confident that there's something wrong with Satan and his ways.
 

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Why the unChristian sarcasm??? I never said that my post referred to the 613 commandments of Moses. I am under grace, not under law, so save your judgement for others, Mr. Pharisee.


Hmmmm.....where to start? First of all, you mistake gentle humor for “ Sarcasm” .....easy for me to understand that—- it’s just the nature of this type of communication that most things sound “ terse” and sometimes even “ mean”—- the lack of facial expressions and voice inflections make for trouble and misunderstandings quite often.....I say many things that are VERY “ tongue in cheek” with a smile on my face that are not meant to be taken as Unkind....sorry about any misunderstandings....

However , if I “ WAS” being Sarcastic, I would find myself in good company....Remember when the Legalists insisted that *Everything* hinged on Circumcision? We are all familiar with what part of a man’s anatomy was to be “ cut off”, right ? It was just the tip of a certain body part.....Paul, in His exasperation proclaimed , “ I wish that you’d just go ahead and cut the Whole Thing off!” You think “that” was not being “ Sarcastic?”..... I could provide more examples....

Lastly, if you want to insult me, that is fine.....I couldn’t care less.....but at least show a little intelligence with the choice of words that you use.....You referred to me as a “ Pharisee”.....Do you understand what that word MEANS? Do you even “understand” the problem that Jesus had with Pharisees? It was their Hard Hearts —- it was their “ Self- Righteous” attitudes.....they thought that they were “ good enough” by their supposed Law- Keeping abilities to be Worthy Of Heaven.....They looked down on others because they though they were better than them because the Delusion ally believed that they “ Kept the Law”...

I am the Polar Opposite Of any Pharisee .....Anybody That has followed my posts over the years knows that I readily and often refer to myself as the TRUE “ Chief Of Sinners” who does not have a CHANCE to become Saved but for the Pure Grace Of God ....does that sound like something a Pharisee would say? Hardly. I don't condemn “ sinners” as the Pharisees were famous for.....i know that I am one of them.....

I could call you a “ Vampire” , but it would not have any “ sting” to it because everybody knows that it contains no truth.....same thing applies with you calling me a “ Pharisee”....in the future, so you don’t reveal your ignorance, find a derogatory name that has some “ meat” to it....meanwhile, it’s back to the drawing board for you....
 
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I just read a study of the bible meaning, "My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me. No one can snatch them out of My hand", it means they are obedient and recognize God's leading by reading the Word of God and having a relationship with Him. We can also be confident that there's something wrong with Satan and his ways.
Thinking about it, if you as a believer are in Christ - when you perform an action of love towards another person in accordance to how agape love works. Whether you share something that is true, that is shared by the spirit and you have a person condemn you, down you, say some mean stuff to you.

Prayer is good, and letting them go on about their own business is the best option - to love them and continue to do so. There is no penalty - because you were going by the spirit being in Christ.

There shouldn’t be any condemnation in Christ - even though people can hurl insults at you - because of you doing something right, lead by the spirit in Love.

Your thoughts?
 
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Thinking about it, if you as a believer are in Christ - when you perform an action of love towards another person in accordance to how agape love works. Whether you share something that is true, that is shared by the spirit and you have a person condemn you, down you, say some mean stuff to you.

Prayer is good, and letting them go on about their own business is the best option - to love them and continue to do so. There is no penalty - because you were going by the spirit being in Christ.

There shouldn’t be any condemnation in Christ - even though people can hurl insults at you - because of you doing something right, lead by the spirit in Love.

Your thoughts?
You're right, one of the "fruits of the Spirit" is love. There's no condemnation of course for you in Christ because you went about your way ignoring walking by the flesh in insults and walked by the Spirit in love.
 
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I just read a study of the bible meaning, "My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me. No one can snatch them out of My hand", it means they are obedient and recognize God's leading by reading the Word of God and having a relationship with Him. We can also be confident that there's something wrong with Satan and his ways.
So let us harken to the voice of God, to be obedient and not listen to a stranger's voice! for God's true sheep Hear His voice and follow Him and does not follow the stranger's voice. This happens through reading the Word of God (the sword of the Spirit) and having a relationship of faith in Him. Let us pray about it, that we will be His true sheep, not false sheep, or become His true sheep if that's possible. I know it's hard not to sin sometimes or not to listen to God, that I think comes with not reading the Bible carefully and having a lack of motivation from a psychiatric medication I'm withdrawing from now, for those of us who are stuck like me for now, but I still try and have discussions on here.
 
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What ? What are you talking about ?
You want to quibble about being the elect now or the pre-elect ages ago. Fine.

Whether the elect or pre-lect, any man on earth sinning now with the devil, is just as much of the devil and in need of repentance and forgiveness from Jesus Christ, as any other man on earth sinning now with the devil.

You can say you were 'pre-elected' before you were ever born if you want, but while sinning with the devil here and now, that is all done away and has nothing to do with anything anymore.

Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

I.e. the OSAS teaching of not being condemned for sinning, while still sinning, is a hypocrite's lie, that enables the world to blaspheme the cross, the blood, and the grace of Jesus Christ.

The Jews did it with the law, and Christians now do it with grace.

He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

If you don't want to understand that God is not un unrighteous judge, with respect of persons, so that Christians are unjudged by Him, while doing the same things He judges others for, then you can't be helped in the truth at this time.
 
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I.e. the OSAS teaching of not being condemned for sinning, while still sinning, is a hypocrite's lie, that enables the world to blaspheme the cross, the blood, and the grace of Jesus Christ



“Therefore, there is * NO CONDEMNATION” for those that are in Christ Jesus”......I got that covered....

“ All Those That Hear My Word and Believe in the One that sent me, *ALREADY HAVE* Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation ....They have passed from Death unto Life” I got that covered too...