What is Mystery Babylon?

[Randy Kluth]

This is an attempt to "lobotomize Christianity," rendering the author the "parent" and Christian theologians of the past, who wrestled for truth, "his children!" Arguments over theology is not "Mystery Babylon." In my view, "Mystery Babylon" was Pagan Rome.

That being said, the Church does include lots of nominal Christians, either coming or going. So there is bound to be mixture in the churches, along with a possible marginalization of doctrine and dilution of truth, along with an onset of lukewarmness.

We always need to "get back to the Bible," or have renewals and reformations. There is no easy 1,2,3 method to this--just living it, and being responsible with truth. Sometimes that requires arguing for doctrine. Cures like "just say peace, and not war," is cheap counsel.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rather than pursue a spiritual fellowship among brethren (see episode #26 - "the Fellowship of the Mystery") we have largely opted for an artificial religious order based on creeds and algorithms in a bid for conformity rather than true unity. God has resisted this scheme by giving us over to another mystery - that of Babylon.

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[ewq1938]

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I don't recall the blood of all people murdered on the Earth being in Jerusalem. I also don't recall any prophets dying in Jerusalem before Jerusalem existed prior to even people going to the promised land.

Doesn't look like Jerusalem is a match to the symbolic city of Babylon.

 

[3 Resurrections]

I don't recall the blood of all people murdered on the Earth being in Jerusalem. I also don't recall any prophets dying in Jerusalem before Jerusalem existed prior to even people going to the promised land.

Doesn't look like Jerusalem is a match to the symbolic city of Babylon.

Christ was the representative of all those who were "IN Christ". If someone kills the ambassador of a country, they have committed an offense against the entire country which that ambassador represented.

It was the same with the Jews in Jerusalem who the martyr Stephen called "the betrayers and murderers" of Christ. "His blood be on us and our children" brought the blood guilt of Christ upon those leaders in Jerusalem. When they killed Christ (the representative of all those who were "IN Christ"), they also became guilty of the shed blood of all the slain servants of God whom He represented.

 

[Lizbeth]

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Amen....house of merchandise.....and that great city being closely associated with Rome as well. Talmudic Judaism = mixture of Babylonian paganism and is therefore unclean....we are NOT to touch not the unclean thing. Roman Catholicism is the same....mixture of Roman paganism (a lot of it borrowed from Babylon) with things of God = unclean and therefore utterly PAGAN. They are bedfellows, both ruled by the spirit and god of the world, not the spirit of God. Notice how RC has many accouterments of Judaism too....priests, robes, altar, bells, liturgy, rituals, making much of their buildings (temples) etc. It's all a FORM of godliness, like Judaism.

 

[Lizbeth]

Christ was the representative of all those who were "IN Christ". If someone kills the ambassador of a country, they have committed an offense against the entire country which that ambassador represented.

It was the same with the Jews in Jerusalem who the martyr Stephen called "the betrayers and murderers" of Christ. "His blood be on us and our children" brought the blood guilt of Christ upon those leaders in Jerusalem. When they killed Christ (the representative of all those who were "IN Christ"), they also became guilty of the shed blood of all the slain servants of God whom He represented.

Amen...and Jesus told them that they are they which slay the prophets and that all the blood shed from the foundation of the world beginning with Abel would come upon them. Rome is likewise guilty of persecuting the true gospel and shedding the blood of innocent true believers.

I feel like Mystery Babylon has two arms...one is Jewish and the other is Gentile apostate Christianity. Like the church is both Jew and Gentile. The mother of harlots is like a counterfeit to the true.

 

[Episkopos]

Christ was the representative of all those who were "IN Christ". If someone kills the ambassador of a country, they have committed an offense against the entire country which that ambassador represented.

It was the same with the Jews in Jerusalem who the martyr Stephen called "the betrayers and murderers" of Christ. "His blood be on us and our children" brought the blood guilt of Christ upon those leaders in Jerusalem. When they killed Christ (the representative of all those who were "IN Christ"), they also became guilty of the shed blood of all the slain servants of God whom He represented.

What I see is that the blood guilt of Christ on the Jews at that time (and also into the future) necessitated a more back and white approach to salvation for these...for these it was believe or perish. Among these we see the "dire need to believe on Christ." Unfortunately, people misunderstand the scriptures and try applying that same binary approach to the whole world...making them superficial and errant in their judgments. Crooked judgments. Religion (appealing to the carnal mind as a means of self-justification) is like a virus that spreads among those who perhaps could become spiritual in Christ...but have taken a sidetrack into iniquity. To the extent that while people point fingers at unbelievers, they themselves engage in unbelief, refusing to take warning themselves....refusing to acknowledge how far behind they are in the race of faith, ready to be disqualified.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Yes!! Sad to say but New York USA IS

Mystery Babylon​

 

[3 Resurrections]

What I see is that the blood guilt of Christ on the Jews at that time (and also into the future) necessitated a more back and white approach to salvation for these...for these it was believe or perish.

The responsibility of "believe or perish" actually extends to everyone who hears the gospel.

I should probably emphasize that I do NOT see that blood guilt of killing Christ being imposed on every future generation of anyone calling themselves a Jew. It was only those Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and their children that the blood guilt of betraying and murdering Christ fell upon. It was a single generation which received those "days of vengeance" in punishment for that crime. Remember, Christ told the weeping women on the way to His crucifixion, "Weep not for me, but for yourselves and your children..." Again, it was a single generation of adults and their own children who received that judgment.

God is not an unjust judge who kept extending the "days of vengeance" for that self-imposed blood guilt on every generation since then.

 

[Episkopos]

The responsibility of "believe or perish" actually extends to everyone who hears the gospel.

I should probably emphasize that I do NOT see that blood guilt of killing Christ being imposed on every future generation of anyone calling themselves a Jew. It was only those Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and their children that the blood guilt of betraying and murdering Christ fell upon. It was a single generation which received those "days of vengeance" in punishment for that crime. Remember, Christ told the weeping women on the way to His crucifixion, "Weep not for me, but for yourselves and your children..." Again, it was a single generation of adults and their own children who received that judgment.

God is not an unjust judge who kept extending the "days of vengeance" for that self-imposed blood guilt on every generation since then.

What of...let His blood be on us and our children?

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Matt 27:26


And how then can the responsibility for Jesus' death be on all men at all times and yet not on Jews for all time?

 

[Behold]

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Matt 27:26

Jesus said from the Cross.

"Father forgive THEM, for they know not what they do".

And God answered that Prayer with the Blood of Jesus.
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KJ21
to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation.
ASV
to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
AMP
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting people’s sins against them [but canceling them]. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation [that is, restoration to favor with God].
AMPC
It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).
BRG
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
CSB
That is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and he has committed the message of reconciliation to us.
CEB
In other words, God was reconciling the world to himself through Christ, by not counting people’s sins against them. He has trusted us with this message of reconciliation.
CJB
which is that God in the Messiah was reconciling mankind to himself, not counting their sins against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
CEV
What we mean is that God was in Christ, offering peace and forgiveness to the people of this world. And he has given us the work of sharing his message about peace.
DARBY
how that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not reckoning to them their offences; and putting in us the word of that reconciliation.
DLNT
how that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself— not counting their trespasses against them, and having placed the message of reconciliation in us.
DRA
For God indeed was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not imputing to them their sins; and he hath placed in us the word of reconciliation.
ERV
I mean that God was in Christ, making peace between the world and himself. In Christ, God did not hold people guilty for their sins. And he gave us this message of peace to tell people.
EASY
God's message is this: By Christ's death, God was bringing people of the world back to himself, as his friends. He would no longer keep their sins in his thoughts. This is the message that God wants us to tell people.

 

[3 Resurrections]

What of...let His blood be on us and our children?

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Matt 27:26


And how then can the responsibility for Jesus' death be on all men at all times and yet not on Jews for all time?

"His blood be on us and our children" didn't mean the same thing as "His blood be on us and all our future descendants for all time". Luther, I believe, was of the opinion that this self-imposed blood-guilt curse extended to all time for the Jews, but this kind of thinking can lead to a Hitler-type mentality.

God imposed those "days of vengeance" on that single generation of ethnic Israelites - the adults and their own children who experienced this targeted period of vengeance before that first-century generation had passed away. The responsibility for Jesus's betrayal and crucifixion death fell on those who betrayed and murdered Him - even when some of them did this in ignorance.

The responsibility of every one who is given exposure to the gospel is to respond to it by submission to Christ. If they don't, God judges them accordingly, but this does not make all men who reject Christ guilty of actively betraying and murdering Christ, as was true of that single generation of ethnic Israelites.

 

[Episkopos]

"His blood be on us and our children" didn't mean the same thing as "His blood be on us and all our future descendants for all time". Luther, I believe, was of the opinion that this self-imposed blood-guilt curse extended to all time for the Jews, but this kind of thinking can lead to a Hitler-type mentality.

God imposed those "days of vengeance" on that single generation of ethnic Israelites - the adults and their own children who experienced this targeted period of vengeance before that first-century generation had passed away. The responsibility for Jesus's betrayal and crucifixion death fell on those who betrayed and murdered Him - even when some of them did this in ignorance.

The responsibility of every one who is given exposure to the gospel is to respond to it by submission to Christ. If they don't, God judges them accordingly, but this does not make all men who reject Christ guilty of actively betraying and murdering Christ, as was true of that single generation of ethnic Israelites.

All your own ideas...fully unbiblical. It's too funny that a bible verse means nothing to fundamentalist types when it gets in the way of their own surmising.

Some here have a very Taliban like judgmentalism against non-believers...they're all going to hell, they say. Are you saying that Gentiles have Christ to answer for but the Jews do not? Are you sitting upright reading this?

When we read the gospels we see that the Jews NEEDED to believe in Christ to not be condemned by the blatant unbelief they displayed...and the hostility that showed against the mercy and compassion of God. Same thing happens today with these fundamentalist types.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Some here have a very Taliban like judgmentalism against non-believers...they're all going to hell, they say. Are you saying that Gentiles have Christ to answer for but the Jews do not? Are you sitting upright reading this?

All of mankind without exception is responsible, each for their own sins, but not all of mankind committed the particular sin of betraying and murdering the Savior in AD 33. The blood guilt for that particular crime fell on only that single generation of adult Jews and the children of their families in that first-century time period.

And those of humankind who are not considered to be the children of faith will utterly perish, both body and soul so that they exist no more. These who perish utterly are the minority percentage of all mankind, in the same way that the "wheat" vastly outnumbers the "tares" in the harvest.

 

[Lizbeth]

What I see is that the blood guilt of Christ on the Jews at that time (and also into the future) necessitated a more back and white approach to salvation for these...for these it was believe or perish. Among these we see the "dire need to believe on Christ." Unfortunately, people misunderstand the scriptures and try applying that same binary approach to the whole world...making them superficial and errant in their judgments. Crooked judgments. Religion (appealing to the carnal mind as a means of self-justification) is like a virus that spreads among those who perhaps could become spiritual in Christ...but have taken a sidetrack into iniquity. To the extent that while people point fingers at unbelievers, they themselves engage in unbelief, refusing to take warning themselves....refusing to acknowledge how far behind they are in the race of faith, ready to be disqualified.

No one is disqualified who are running lawfully.

And it's the SAME gospel to the Gentile as to the Jew. The same gospel that is to the Jew FIRST, is also then to the GENTILE. Same gospel.

So we have some saying in recent years that this gospel is what the Jews don't need, but Gentiles do......but on the other hand now some are saying Gentiles don't need it but the Jews do? What?

Or are you just talking about possible exceptions to the rule? I would think that IF the Lord sometimes makes exceptions due to some sort of extenuating circumstances, it would apply to equally to Jews as well as Gentiles....."for there is no difference".

What of...let His blood be on us and our children?

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Matt 27:26


And how then can the responsibility for Jesus' death be on all men at all times and yet not on Jews for all time?

Mat 23:28-36


Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

Therefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION.



Luk 11:47-51

Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.

Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.

Therefore also said the WISDOM of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:

THAT the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of THIS GENERATION;

From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of THIS GENERATION.



Rev 18:24

And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


Luk 21:20-24

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

For these be the days of VENGEANCE, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.



Rev 6:9-11

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and AVENGE OUR BLOOD blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Rev 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY COME TO PASS; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John



It all did indeed shortly come to pass in 70AD, and upon the generation that Jesus was speaking to... He wasn’t lying.

Since then until recent times, the Jews have been without a homeland, but wandering as strangers in strange lands as part of their punishment as prophesied, and being strangers have often been unwelcome and mistreated from time to time whither they were dispersed.

 

[Episkopos]

No one is disqualified who are running lawfully.

That is obvious...and the limit of your understanding..what is obvious. But to run according to men or your own standard...as opposed to the standard of Christ indeed gets us disqualified. Calling oneself saved doesn't make it so. Reading the bible doesn't make someone a doer of the word. Judgment is coming.

 

[Lizbeth]

"His blood be on us and our children" didn't mean the same thing as "His blood be on us and all our future descendants for all time". Luther, I believe, was of the opinion that this self-imposed blood-guilt curse extended to all time for the Jews, but this kind of thinking can lead to a Hitler-type mentality.

God imposed those "days of vengeance" on that single generation of ethnic Israelites - the adults and their own children who experienced this targeted period of vengeance before that first-century generation had passed away. The responsibility for Jesus's betrayal and crucifixion death fell on those who betrayed and murdered Him - even when some of them did this in ignorance.

The responsibility of every one who is given exposure to the gospel is to respond to it by submission to Christ. If they don't, God judges them accordingly, but this does not make all men who reject Christ guilty of actively betraying and murdering Christ, as was true of that single generation of ethnic Israelites.

Amen.....those judgments did come upon that generation just as Jesus prophesied.

The Lord judges and deals with the Jews and all people........not us. We are nobody's judge. The Jews are still loved on account of the patriarchs....the Lord still treats them as sons in a way, though prodigal sons. Luther's antisemitism was so wrong.

 

[covenantee]

The Jews are still loved on account of the patriarchs....the Lord still treats them as sons in a way, though prodigal sons. Luther's antisemitism was so wrong.

The Lord's only sons whom He loves are those faithful and obedient to Him.

Antisemitism refers to ethnicity.

Luther's denunciations were not directed at the Jews' ethnicity, but rather at their rejection of Christ and His Gospel.

Although Darby/Scofield racialized dispensationalism attempts to allege such, Luther was not antisemitic.

 

[Douggg]

Mystery, Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels. God in the final time, times, half times of the 7 years will dismantle that kingdom so that it will no longer exist after Jesus returns.

Babylon is fallen, is fallen in Revelation 18 is Satan and his angels cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Babylon is fallen, is fallen in Revelation 18 is Satan and his angels cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9.

Babylon is defined by the angel as being a literal city in Revelation 17:18. Satan and his angels are not a city. Therefore, Satan and his angels are not Mystery Babylon.