What is Mystery Babylon?

[Episkopos]

Babylon is defined by the angel as being a literal city in Revelation 17:18. Satan and his angels are not a city. Therefore, Satan and his angels are not Mystery Babylon.

This is naive. The bible is not about world history or foreign policies....it's about spiritual revelation. The carnal mind is a barrier to understanding the bible. Don't be fooled by physical comparisons.

 

[3 Resurrections]

This is naive. The bible is not about world history or foreign policies....it's about spiritual revelation. The carnal mind is a barrier to understanding the bible. Don't be fooled by physical comparisons.

If the interpreting angel took the time in Rev. 17:8 to explain and define just who Mystery Babylon was, then we are obligated to go by that definition. The angel was not attempting to "fool" us by defining Mystery Babylon as a literal city. He meant exactly what he said. We are not permitted to "fluff" the definition in order to add to the interpretation.

 

[Episkopos]

If the interpreting angel took the time in Rev. 17:8 to explain and define just who Mystery Babylon was, then we are obligated to go by that definition. The angel was not attempting to "fool" us by defining Mystery Babylon as a literal city. He meant exactly what he said. We are not permitted to "fluff" the definition in order to add to the interpretation.

Do you drink the blood of Christ and eat His flesh? Or do you just "fluff it"?

 

[Douggg]

Babylon is defined by the angel as being a literal city in Revelation 17:18. Satan and his angels are not a city. Therefore, Satan and his angels are not Mystery Babylon.

The woman turned harlot is the Vatican, and the great city she is associated with is Rome, synonymous with what the Vatican is often referred to.

Differently, the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels is not a literal city, but a spiritual kingdom. That of powers and principalities in high places.

Ephesians 6:
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[Episkopos]

The woman turned harlot is the Vatican, and the great city she is associated with is Rome, synonymous with what the Vatican is often referred to.

Differently, the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels is not a literal city, but a spiritual kingdom. That of powers and principalities in high places.

Ephesians 6:
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Agree with you on the second point...but on the first, Babylon is much bigger than any one church organization. Luther wanted a big institution...a rival organization...and with all the various religions opinions out there, made thousands of denominations...with their affiliate franchises. God sent a strong delusion...the reformation...so that lies and fables are now seen as truth.

So then ALL organized religion is Babylon. As soon as it is no longer about the intimacy of life in the Spirit...it becomes a human religion.

What is far too deep for modern believers to grasp is a spiritual fellowship among actual saints...walking in an actual intimacy with God.

"Behold you among the heathen (nations), and regard, and wonder marvelously: for I will work a work in your days which you will not believe, though it be told you." Hab. 1:5

 

[Douggg]

Agree with you on the second point...but on the first, Babylon is much bigger than any one church organization.

I think you may have misunderstood me. I am not saying that the Vatican is Babylon the Great. I do think that the Vatican is the woman turned harlot - because of some the Vatican's doctrines.

The inscription on the woman's head in Revelation 17:5 is not that she herself is Mystery Babylon the Great - but that she has been influenced by Babylon the Great.

In Revelation 17:16, the ten kings who align themselves with the beast-king will burn the Vatican to the ground. One of the reasons being that in spite of all the Vatican's flaws, the Vatican does proclaim Jesus as God - which will conflict with the claims of the beast-king.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Do you drink the blood of Christ and eat His flesh? Or do you just "fluff it"?

The rite of the Lord's supper was given to "show the Lord's death till He come" - a symbol of the literal body and blood of the Lord being sacrificed.

Just as Mystery Babylon was a symbol, "showing" to the servants of Christ the approaching fate of the literal city of Jerusalem who had slain the prophets throughout her history.

 

[Episkopos]

The rite of the Lord's supper was given to "show the Lord's death till He come" - a symbol of the literal body and blood of the Lord being sacrificed.

Just as Mystery Babylon was a symbol, "showing" to the servants of Christ the approaching fate of the literal city of Jerusalem who had slain the prophets throughout her history.

You are saying that the Vatican is right? That Jesus was pointing to a symbol of eating and drinking? How do you eat the body of Christ LITERALLY? Of course there was a literal body and blood. But you confuse things with a double metaphor. How are we to eat His flesh...literally? You say that Jerusalem is a literal city...but it doesn't say we are to eat and drink Jerusalem. IS this reasoning above your understanding?

You are much confused.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The Lord's supper is a symbolic act; one which "shows the Lord's death until He come". The act and the elements provide the symbol, but what they portray is the literal shed blood and broken body of the Lord back in AD 33.

Just like the harlot Mystery Babylon also provided a symbol of something literal; in this case, the literal city of Jerusalem which Christ had once accused of the guilt of shedding the blood of the prophets and servants of the Lord throughout its history.

 

[Truth7t7]

Amen....house of merchandise.....and that great city being closely associated with Rome as well. Talmudic Judaism = mixture of Babylonian paganism and is therefore unclean....we are NOT to touch not the unclean thing. Roman Catholicism is the same....mixture of Roman paganism (a lot of it borrowed from Babylon) with things of God = unclean and therefore utterly PAGAN. They are bedfellows, both ruled by the spirit and god of the world, not the spirit of God. Notice how RC has many accouterments of Judaism too....priests, robes, altar, bells, liturgy, rituals, making much of their buildings (temples) etc. It's all a FORM of godliness, like Judaism.

Catholicism is a false pagan religion no question, but Jerusalem is (Mystery Babylon The Great) not Rome as many claim

 

[Lizbeth]

Catholicism is a false pagan religion no question, but Jerusalem is (Mystery Babylon The Great) not Rome as many claim

To the Jew first, then the Gentile? Everything seems to fit both of them and they both fit the descriptions and follow the same pattern. Pagan mixture. Roman empire which eventually succeeded Babylon had also imbibed a lot of Babylonian beliefs and practices, which RC then incorporated into itself. The spirit of Babylon is the spirit of the world essentially - it's ruled by the god of this world, Satan, the lion of Babylon who seeks who he may devour - and when one house has been judged and destroyed, those spirits just move to another house. (until the end when the lake of fire disposes of them permanently). Same devil in different guises ruling over different kingdoms and religious institutions at different times in history. Could the Roman church be the false prophet? We shall see. Beast and false prophet work in tandem. False prophet is like John the Baptist was to Jesus, preparing the way, being a false witness preparing hearts to worship the Beast as a false counterfeit messiah. Rome is heavily involved with Jerusalem, has been since its inception - Constantine's mother trampled all over the place - and owns a lot of real estate there.

Interesting that Jesus cleaned out His Father's house both at the beginning as well as end of His earthly ministry. Twice.

 

[Lizbeth]

The Lord's supper is a symbolic act; one which "shows the Lord's death until He come". The act and the elements provide the symbol, but what they portray is the literal shed blood and broken body of the Lord back in AD 33.

Just like the harlot Mystery Babylon also provided a symbol of something literal; in this case, the literal city of Jerusalem which Christ had once accused of the guilt of shedding the blood of the prophets and servants of the Lord throughout its history.

Yes, the idea of transubstantiation is false. God accepts the bread and wine as being the body and blood of Jesus by proxy. "As if" it were, even though it isn't really in fact. Just as Israel ate the sacrifices in order to apply the sacrifice to themselves, we are to eat, as it were, the body and blood of Christ in a way of renewing/refreshing (re-membering) His sacrifice to ourselves and also to apply it to any specific sins we find we might need to in the course of examining ourselves.

 

[ewq1938]

Could the Roman church be the false prophet?

Only if a church can turn into a single person which I have never seen happen. The false prophet is one person. There are two real prophets in Rev 11, but they are individual persons. False prophet is not a metaphor but is a plain description of a man who claims to know the future but his prophecies are false.