Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[Aunty Jane]

Only one problem with your assumption:

Any unclean species Noah ate would have ended right there.

The “unclean“ animals Noah knew to be “unclean” for sacrifice, not for eating.
Since he was not given permission to eat the flesh of animals until after the flood, when he loaded the “clean” animals onto the ark, he was told to include 7 of each…three breeding pairs and one for sacrifice. The “unclean” animals were only a breeding pair.

At the outset there was no prohibition on eating the flesh of any creature.
Gen 9:3-4…
”Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you. 4 Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat.”

You can’t make God’s word say what it never did…to justify what God never said.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I hear constantly "the Ten Commandments were given to Israel" which is not accurate. They were merely codified at Sinai - and you can't codify a set of laws unless the individual laws already exist.

Did Cain know murder was sin? Did Joseph know adultery was sin? Did Jacob know idolatry was sin? Sure!

Since it was only to God’s faithful servants that he spoke after the death of Abel, the Patriarchs would have known his laws on morality…….so in ‘codifying’ his laws, they still only applied to his own people….his faithful worshippers who are listed in Heb 11. The world at large is not under God’s law unless they choose to serve Jehovah as their God.

There have always been “converts” as God’s word clearly shows us. Only then were they subject to God’s laws. Ruth for example, told her mother in law that she wanted Naomi’s God to be her God…and so she was accepted into the ranks of God’s people even though she was a Moabitess. Ruth is listed as an ancestress of Jesus.

 

[Sheila3]

We work and take care of what gives us physical substance to stay alive, but God knows that man also needs the spiritual. If all we did was work we would soon waste away in exhaustion of mind and body with no thoughts of our Creator whom we owe our existence or His love for us, to say nothing of His plan of redemption. The Sabbath is important, as in God's final warning messages to the world we find a call to worship the Creator.
Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The call to worship in Revelation 14:7 brings us back to the Sabbath Commandment which God set aside specifically for holy purposes:
Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Throughout the scriptures we can see an emphasis on the recognition of the Creator.
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 96:4-5
4 For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.

Psalm 121:1-2
1 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

Acts 4:24
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

By keeping the Sabbath holy, as He commanded us, we show our love for Him and give recognition of His authority in our life.
1 John 5:1-3
1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

All the other commandments we can pretend to follow, but the importance of the Sabbath stands out, it is a sign, the standard of God. When he draws his battle line, the true believers put on the armor and choose God, the deceived put on the "traditions" of men and the false doctrines of the rebel who raises his banner of his 'authority'.

The Sabbath cannot be hidden under a bushel, you can hide your idols, swear against God out of hearing of others and love other gods such as sex, money, fame... and no one would know. But like Daniel praying at his window for all to see the Sabbath is a clear display of our love for God when we worship him. Its important...

Amen -

you didn't give reference on when the true 7th Sabbath is.

The commandment to Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy - he knew his Sabbath will be changed and accepted by the majority from the 7th day to the first day.

So even if we go to worship service on a Sunday we should still at least do our best to keep the Sabbath holy.

 

[Phoneman777]

So what are you going to say to Christ on Judgment Day when He ask you why you made up your own religion....it is obvious that you are just making it up as you go.

There's NOTHING Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV can be attributed to except the Second Coming of Christ. It's called a "Messianic Prophecy".

 

[Phoneman777]

The “unclean“ animals Noah knew to be “unclean” for sacrifice, not for eating.
Since he was not given permission to eat the flesh of animals until after the flood, when he loaded the “clean” animals onto the ark, he was told to include 7 of each…three breeding pairs and one for sacrifice. The “unclean” animals were only a breeding pair.

At the outset there was no prohibition on eating the flesh of any creature.
Gen 9:3-4…
”Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you. 4 Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat.”

You can’t make God’s word say what it never did…to justify what God never said.

Admittedly, the text seems to suggest both clean and unclean... but let's consider if "all plants" refers to every plant:

Genesis 9:3-4 KJV is about food for humans and therefore regulates human diet. God modified the human diet immediately after the Fall, allowing Adam and Eve to eat “green plants” (Gen. 9:3). Interestingly, according to Genesis 1:30, the phrase “green plants” (yereq c ēśv) was a general designation for the food of animals. But in Genesis 9:3 the same phrase is used to refer to “seed-bearing plants” (e.g., legumes and cereals), as indicated in Genesis 3:18. The all-inclusive phrase “green plants” is not all-inclusive but is restricted to the meaning found in Genesis 3:18. Now the Lord is allowing humans to eat animal flesh as food for them; and again, it is not flesh in general but certain types of it. The context strongly indicates that this is the flesh of all clean animals. Humans are allowed to bring to their tables the same type of food that goes to the table of the Lord.

See? The context suggests "every moving thing that is alive" refers "every clean" moving thing.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

When did Jesus become God’s “anointed one”? Simple question…..he was anointed at his baptism, when he received the holy spirit and became the “Messiah”.

What you are saying, is, that Jesus was not the Messiah before He was baptized with water. What you are saying, is, that Jesus is not: "The Same: yesterday and today and tomorrow". What you are saying is, that water isn't water, but that water is oil.
But Jesus was the "CHRIST" : "ANOINTED OF GOD" from everlasting : that is Bible. That is Christ Divine. Your holy talk is trash.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Are you serious? An opinion? Those inspired by holy spirit do not express opinions….they are the mouthpiece of God, putting into words his expressions, preserved for us down to this day.

So this is Aunty Jane - spirit-spouted, propelled, Superwoman. Watch out, just Elon Musk has more than 6000 satellites up there.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Since the message was to “be preached

You say it: the message was to “be preached" - "the message" the Subject; "be preached" the Subject's Work. Not good enough for Superwoman, despite, mind you, the apostle, wrote, "the Gospel is the POWER OF GOD". Poor God, how does He think He can get along without Aunty Jane....

 

[Grailhunter]

There's NOTHING Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV can be attributed to except the Second Coming of Christ. It's called a "Messianic Prophecy".

See, the Lord is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For with fire and with his sword the Lord will execute judgment on all people, and many will be those slain by the Lord.

The way you insert words and ideas in scriptures I surprised you did not see Jesus Christ Superstar the bell bottom wear doobie token flying saucer pilot….flying with full thrusters on and shooting laser beams.

It is just as far off as what is there as anything.

 

[Aunty Jane]

God modified the human diet immediately after the Fall, allowing Adam and Eve to eat “green plants” (Gen. 9:3)

What does Gen 9:3 say?….”every moving animal”.….From ”emes, reh'-mes; from H7430; a reptile or any other rapidly moving animal:—that creepeth, creeping (moving) thing.” (Strongs)
Every living animal that moves….the term is not restricted.

Going back to Gen 1:12….
”The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.”
All, that would serve as food for the creatures to come, was provided for them, in advance.
All creatures were to be vegetarians. There were no carnivores who killed prey. The carrion creatures ate flesh, but only what was already dead. They were the clean up crew, which proves that animals were not to live forever. God had already sorted all that out before he created them.

Of all the birds and animals that exist…..how many dead ones do we see? Very few…..such is the efficiency of God’s creation.

Now the Lord is allowing humans to eat animal flesh as food for them; and again, it is not flesh in general but certain types of it. The context strongly indicates that this is the flesh of all clean animals. Humans are allowed to bring to their tables the same type of food that goes to the table of the Lord.

Do you see how you are using suggestion again to prove your point? Twisting the meaning of Scripture is rife in Christendom….but it will do them no good as the Bible is clear on all subjects if we do careful study….most people won’t because satan counts on the fact that we will be lazy, and just want things spoon fed to us. We must be like the Beroeans.

See? The context suggests "every moving thing that is alive" refers "every clean" moving thing.

See….a suggestion again…..a suggestion is not a fact…..scripture is fact, but correctly interpreted as it was written and in harmony with its entirety….
Until the law was given to Israel, the instructions given to Noah applied. “Unclean” animals were no longer those unsuitable for sacrifice, but now also unsuitable for eating. The prohibition on consuming blood was given to Noah and reiterated to Israel…and then again to the Christians.

 

[Aunty Jane]

What you are saying, is, that Jesus was not the Messiah before He was baptized with water. What you are saying, is, that Jesus is not: "The Same: yesterday and today and tomorrow". What you are saying is, that water isn't water, but that water is oil.
But Jesus was the "CHRIST" : "ANOINTED OF GOD" from everlasting : that is Bible. That is Christ Divine. Your holy talk is trash.

You really are a piece of work….you create strawmen and attack them with great ferocity….thinking yourself victorious but without seeing how foolish you look.

You never really comprehend a thing that is said to you….read more carefully….

Like his kingship, Jesus was in a designated position as future king and future Messiah…..he was not born into that position as a baby, but acquired it when it was the right time to act……for his baptism, the time was right when he turned 30. There was also a reason for that.
His kingship was not obtained until the time was right for that as well…..everything in order, as God purposed.

Try doing some study to actually address what is said to you, rather than carrying on like a stubborn mule, replying to your own false accusations.

 

[Aunty Jane]

So this is Aunty Jane - spirit-spouted, propelled, Superwoman. Watch out, just Elon Musk has more than 6000 satellites up there.

You say it: the message was to “be preached" - "the message" the Subject; "be preached" the Subject's Work. Not good enough for Superwoman, despite, mind you, the apostle, wrote, "the Gospel is the POWER OF GOD". Poor God, how does He think He can get along without Aunty Jane....

And here are some classic examples indicating your comprehension skills, and highlighting your bullying tactics.
You have to pull someone down to elevate yourself…it’s classic of that behavior and indicative of insecurity.
You are telling the world (and God) who you really are.
Wake up….

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Only one problem with your assumption:

Any unclean species Noah ate would have ended right there.

There you go again, speaking over my head. What do you mean "ended right there." Oh, you mean because there were only two. But that wouldn't have lasted long. Pigs have a lot of babies.

 

[Aunty Jane]

you didn't give reference on when the true 7th Sabbath is.

The commandment to Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy - he knew his Sabbath will be changed and accepted by the majority from the 7th day to the first day.

Where is that written? There is only one 7th day in a week….look on the calendar…it’s what corresponds to our Saturday.
There is no command to observe a Sabbath at all for Gentile Christians as the law was only given to Israel.
Jesus was Jewish and under law so he observed the Sabbath until the time came for him to sacrifice his life. With his death, a new covenant was established with the law now fulfilled in him and nailed to his torture stake with him as finished.

Col 2:13-17…ESV…
“And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.”

For Gentiles even their uncircumcised state was no longer a problem, because faith in Christ as Messiah covered their sins as well, giving them the hope of everlasting life.
No Jewish festival or observance was mandated for Gentiles.….as Paul clearly stated.

The original Phrygian population of Colossae were Greek and Jewish elements. The early Phrygians displayed a strong tendency toward spiritistic fanaticism, the Greeks indulged in much speculation and in philosophical arguments, and the Jews were advocates of the Mosaic Law and its dietary and sabbath requirements. All these attitudes were dealt with in Paul’s counsel to the Colossian congregation.

So even if we go to worship service on a Sunday we should still at least do our best to keep the Sabbath holy.

There is no sabbath mandated for Christians, so moving the “sabbath” to another day did not change God’s law…..the Roman Catholic church was formed as a fusion between Roman sun worship and weakened Christianity, so anything made into a “doctrine” by them was hardly spiritually clean. The Romans already dedicated Sunday as the day they honored their sun god. They deceptively snuck it in on the people to secure the place of Roman Catholicism as the “State religion” of the Empire……a religion that seemed to satisfy both elements of the Roman Empire….so called “Christians” as well as the pagans, merging them into one happy deluded family….so that no one had to give up what they loved…..the trouble was, God didn’t love any of it.

 

[Aunty Jane]

There you go again, speaking over my head. What do you mean "ended right there." Oh, you mean because there were only two. But that wouldn't have lasted long. Pigs have a lot of babies.

There are many animals who have large litters of babies…..mostly “unclean” animals, so their numbers would have increased rapidly. With three breeding pairs of clean animals, they too would have replenished supply.
Since humans were told not to be “gluttonous eaters of flesh”, it would not have been consumed daily. Like the consumption of wine, everything was to be consumed in moderation. Meat was an adjunct to their diet, not something they ate every day.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And here are some classic examples indicating your comprehension skills, and highlighting your bullying tactics.
You have to pull someone down to elevate yourself…it’s classic of that behavior and indicative of insecurity.
You are telling the world (and God) who you really are.
Wake up….

How to enjoy what you hate. . . it's CGE! Let not the holy man revel in his pride too much, the lady in her vanity protest too much.

Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom neither let the mighty man glory in his might.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

they'd rather keep rebelling against God through "liberty in Christ"

on my FB today!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You really are a piece of work….you create strawmen and attack them with great ferocity….thinking yourself victorious but without seeing how foolish you look.

You never really comprehend a thing that is said to you….read more carefully….

Like his kingship, Jesus was in a designated position as future king and future Messiah…..he was not born into that position as a baby, but acquired it when it was the right time to act……for his baptism, the time was right when he turned 30. There was also a reason for that.
His kingship was not obtained until the time was right for that as well…..everything in order, as God purposed.

Try doing some study to actually address what is said to you, rather than carrying on like stubborn mule, replying to your own false accusations.

 

[Aunty Jane]

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May I ask what this passage of scripture is addressing?
Scripture without comment or interpretation is really lost in a debate forum.
Are you here to debate or just to talk into the air?

Look at all your pretty highlights…..unless there is comment, there is nothing to address.
Unless of course you’d like me to interpret that scripture in a way that actually agrees with the rest of the Bible…?

What is Jesus saying here…?
In prayer to his Father, who is in heaven whilst Jesus is on earth, he says….

John 17:1-2…..in modern English, so we can all understand it….
“Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, 2 just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him.”

Does God need to glorify God? God can certainly glorify his son, and his son can glorify his Father, but God does not need to glorify himself. All creation naturally glorifies the Father.

The Father gives his son “authority over all flesh”…but if Jesus is God then he already has all authority over everything. (Matt 28:18) And how does Jesus ‘give everlasting life to those whom God gave to him’? He died for them so that they could live…..becoming their Redeemer.

What does the next part say….?
”This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.”

The work assigned to the son was given to him by the Father…..Jesus is the “holy servant” of his God. (Acts 4:27, 30) Can God be his own servant? Can Jesus worship his God in heaven if he himself is God? (Rev 3:12)

After Jesus’ return to heaven, the apostle John was given his Revelation….how was it passed on to John?
Rev 1:1 says…
”A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John”.
God gave the Revelation to Jesus, who gave it to an angel to present it to John….was there a point to that except to differentiate the Father and his son as two completely separate entities?

We know that Jesus was at his Father’s side in creation as a glorious spirit creature…..he humbled himself greatly to take on human flesh. As the “firstborn of all creation”, Jesus was “before all things”. (Col 1:15-16)

We need to know the Father as ”the only true God”….AND ”the one he sent”, because if we don’t really know them individually, everlasting life is not offered to us.
If we have put the son in the place of his Father, we have breached the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3)
Jesus said the two greatest Commandments were……”to love God with our whole heart soul mind and strength“, quoting Deut 6:4-5…and to “love our neighbor as ourselves”. (Lev 19:18)

By quoting Deuteronomy, the Tetragrammaton is there in the Hebrew text. So Yahweh is “the only true God” and we must love him with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.

In the Bible, Jesus is said to have ”brothers”, but never “sons”….the Father has “sons” but never “brothers”.
They cannot be the same or equals….the Father has no equal.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There are many animals who have large litters of babies…..mostly “unclean” animals, so their numbers would have increased rapidly. With three breeding pairs of clean animals, they too would have replenished supply.
Since humans were told not to be “gluttonous eaters of flesh”, it would not have been consumed daily. Like the consumption of wine, everything was to be consumed in moderation. Meat was an adjunct to their diet, not something they ate every day.

Yeah, I don't eat meat EVERY day either. In fact, my body tells me when I need to go buy a juicy New York steak!