Feasts of the Jews

[theefaith]

Should Christians keep Jewish feasts and fasts or holidays?

 

[theefaith]

Why is it called Jews or Jewish?
Does it not apply to all 12 tribes of Israel?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Should Christians keep Jewish feasts and fasts or holidays?

Now that we HAVE Jesus who is the fulfillment of all the holy convocations past and future, including the Sabbath, Leviticus 23, we no longer have to keep the "letter." We have the Promised One of the Spirit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Why is it called Jews or Jewish?
Does it not apply to all 12 tribes of Israel?

Probably after Judah. The tribes of he and his youngest brother, Benjamin, make us the Jews.

The 10 lost tribes make up the Samaritans.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Should Christians keep Jewish feasts and fasts or holidays?

There's nothing wrong with observing days of remembrance. For Americans that may be Independence Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, for Christians Thanksgiving, Easter, and Christmas, etc. etc. Those of Jewish extraction may want to remember their beginnings in the exodus from Egypt, or Passover, the trek through the Wilderness, or the Feast of Tabernacles. Others may simply want to observe seasonal celebrations like Spring and Fall, recognizing the time of planting and the time of harvesting.

I have no problems with this. There is no legal prohibitions in the NT against observing traditional days or remembrances. What we do have a prohibition against is any *legal requirement* for purposes of getting saved. Our Salvation is already established as the resurrected Christ, who we access through the gift of his Spirit.

All legal requirements in the OT, under the Law, were for partial salvation, such as deliverance from enemies, prosperity on the farm, etc. To be blessed today is partly spiritual and partly material. We won't get a full material blessing until the resurrection.

 

[theefaith]

There's nothing wrong with observing days of remembrance. For Americans that may be Independence Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, for Christians Thanksgiving, Easter, and Christmas, etc. etc. Those of Jewish extraction may want to remember their beginnings in the exodus from Egypt, or Passover, the trek through the Wilderness, or the Feast of Tabernacles. Others may simply want to observe seasonal celebrations like Spring and Fall, recognizing the time of planting and the time of harvesting.

I have no problems with this. There is no legal prohibitions in the NT against observing traditional days or remembrances. What we do have a prohibition against is any *legal requirement* for purposes of getting saved. Our Salvation is already established as the resurrected Christ, who we access through the gift of his Spirit.

All legal requirements in the OT, under the Law, were for partial salvation, such as deliverance from enemies, prosperity on the farm, etc. To be blessed today is partly spiritual and partly material. We won't get a full material blessing until the resurrection.

the church fathers would disagree
They are of the bond woman, we are of the free gal 4
What hath light to do with darkness


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[Randy Kluth]

the church fathers would disagree
They are of the bond woman, we are of the free gal 4
What hath light to do with darkness

I carefully distinguished between voluntary observance and legal observance. When people observe Halloween or Valentine's Day, that isn't a legal requirement. It's just a voluntary celebration. There are, in fact, many special days devoted to the Christian religion, all of which are voluntary. The Church Fathers would *not* disagree with me, as I see it.

A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

Spirit Baptism is baptismal regeneration--not Water Baptism!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Not at all. That would be Legalism. Christ's Work saved us--not our own work. We are saved because we choose to accept Christ's Work and because we choose to live *through him.*

The Sacraments, like any human observance, fall into the category of "human works," and can never achieve Salvation. They can, however, be performed as part of our devotion to Christ, to honor him in everything we do.

 

[theefaith]

I carefully distinguished between voluntary observance and legal observance. When people observe Halloween or Valentine's Day, that isn't a legal requirement. It's just a voluntary celebration. There are, in fact, many special days devoted to the Christian religion, all of which are voluntary. The Church Fathers would *not* disagree with me, as I see it.



Spirit Baptism is baptismal regeneration--not Water Baptism!



Not at all. That would be Legalism. Christ's Work saved us--not our own work. We are saved because we choose to accept Christ's Work and because we choose to live *through him.*

The Sacraments, like any human observance, fall into the category of "human works," and can never achieve Salvation. They can, however, be performed as part of our devotion to Christ, to honor him in everything we do.

the sacraments are Christ’s works or merits applied to our souls thru His holy church

Christian baptism is a ritual
Mater: water
Form: the words
Intention: to make us members of Christ and His holy church


Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[Curtis]

Why is it called Jews or Jewish?
Does it not apply to all 12 tribes of Israel?

The Mosaic covenant was with Israel which included the feast days.

It was not with the 12 tribes...

BTW the new covenant is with the houses of Israel and Judah, per Jeremiah 31, and Jesus is the mediator of that new covenant, per Hebrews 8.

Shalom.

 

[Curtis]

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Yes - the first church - the Jerusalem church, the one that was the preeminent church from Pentecost until the Romans destroyed it, decades later.

The one that all the apostles gathered at, whenever doctrinal decisions had to be made, such as in Acts 15.

The one Peter the apostle Peter was the head of, so that when Paul wanted to visit Peter for three weeks, he went to Jerusalem:

Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Of course these biblical and historical facts are different than you may have heard...

Shalom.

 

[theefaith]

Yes - the first church - the Jerusalem church, the one that was the preeminent church from Pentecost until the Romans destroyed it, decades later.

The one that all the apostles gathered at, whenever doctrinal decisions had to be made, such as in Acts 15.

The one Peter the apostle Peter was the head of, so that when Paul wanted to visit Peter for three weeks, he went to Jerusalem:

Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Of course these biblical and historical facts are different than you may have heard...

Shalom.

Only one church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Jn 10:16