Unitarianism: The LORD Jehovah only

[robert derrick]

This is what they believe:

The LORD Jehovah is the only true God. There is no other beside Him.

The LORD Jehovah is God, not Jesus.

In the beginning of the LORD's way, His 1st creation was that of His wisdom and word and power as the 1st angel, the angel of the LORD, the 1st spiritual being of all creation. He was the firstborn of every creature. It was by him, by his spirit, being spoken by Jehovah, that the world was created.

The LORD Jehovah is love, not Jesus.

In the beginning of the word, the LORD made the 1st angel to become man in the flesh, He called him Jesus his begotten son, who was to be the exact image of Jehovah's love for the world. He was sent and commanded to speak all the things of the LORD Jehovah to the Jews first, and then the Gentiles, that they might believe Jehovah and be saved.

"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption...and love"

 

[robert derrick]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

In the beginning of the word, the word was with God in spirit, and the word was as God, even as His love and wisdom is as His heart and mind.

Even as man was created in the image of the LORD Jehovah, and man is not God, so also was the word created in the likeness of the LORD Jehovah's wisdom, but was not God Himself.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't believe unitarians use the term Jehovah. And I don't believe Jehovah Witnesses consider themselves unitarian's. Regarding

This is what they believe:

‘Sh’ma Yisra’el, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai echad [Hear, O Isra’el, the LORD our God, the LORD is one]. There is no other beside Him.

This is the Sh'ma. The most important commandment. Do you not believe the most important commandment - confirmed by Jesus at Mark 12:29?

 

[robert derrick]

The love and wisdom and power of the LORD Jehovah was created as a spirit. An angel of the LORD. The spirit of the LORD, who is not God. God is a spirit by His productive power, which He created in the beginning as His angel, be the LORD Jehovah has not God and Spirit beside Him.

The spirit of the LORD Jehovah is the power given to the angel of the LORD over all other powers and principalities and spirits, which the LORD Jehovah have created.

The angel of the LORD was spiritually created in the beginning of the creation of God, and that angel was born of a virgin woman, who was overshadowed by his spirit, and impregnated with his person, his body given to him by the LORD Jehovah, in whom all the fullness of God's love, power, and wisdom dwell.

His name was Jesus. He was not God as man, but rather man as God's created angel and word dwelling in flesh, who was the only man able to declare the LORD Jehovah truly and fully, because he was created in the beginning as the LORD's very own word and wisdom, with power of the spirit he was given by God.

 

[robert derrick]

I don't believe unitarians use the term Jehovah. And I don't believe Jehovah Witnesses consider themselves unitarian's. Regarding



This is the Sh'ma. The most important commandment. Do you not believe the most important commandment - confirmed by Jesus at Mark 12:29?

So far no corrections by one of their own; therefore, doing good as one of their own.

 

[robert derrick]

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name."

Jesus' name given him by the LORD Jehovah is above every name of every other created being the LORD created, not above the Creator Jehovah.

"Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."

Jesus is much better than the angels, because he was the 1st angel created by the LORD, and even called the angel of the LORD, and he has therefore inherited a more excellent name than they, because he is the only angel created to also be made a man, and so called the son of God Jehovah.

 

[Enoch111]

I don't believe unitarians use the term Jehovah. And I don't believe Jehovah Witnesses consider themselves unitarian's.

It makes no difference. They all hold to heretical beliefs about God and Christ.

 

[kcnalp]

I don't believe unitarians use the term Jehovah. And I don't believe Jehovah Witnesses consider themselves unitarian's. Regarding
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What's the difference?

 

[Wrangler]

It makes no difference. They all hold to heretical beliefs about God and Christ.

And proudly so. To them, it is you who hold heretical beliefs about God and Christ.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't believe unitarians use the term Jehovah. And I don't believe Jehovah Witnesses consider themselves unitarian's.

What's the difference?

The description about their beliefs is wrong. Using their words to describe their beliefs is right.

 

[kcnalp]

The description about their beliefs is wrong. Using their words to describe their beliefs is right.

So, what's the differences between JW's and Unitarians?

 

[Wrangler]

So, what's the differences between JW's and Unitarians?

I don't know much about JW but do know unitarians do not use the term Jehovah. Why are JW often bashed on this forum?

It seems to me such doctrinal differences should be guided by Romans 14:1. What do you think?

 

[robert derrick]

It makes no difference. They all hold to heretical beliefs about God and Christ.

About the great God Jehovah and the little Christ Jesus. (Just to be accurate)

 

[Enoch111]

And proudly so.

And BLINDLY so. The blind leading the blind will not only fall into the ditch, but take many others with them.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of Hell than yourselves. (Mt 23:15)

 

[robert derrick]

I have been stating their own doctrine of a created Christ in their own terms, and so far no correction by them. Therefore, everything I have said so far is accurate about their beliefs of Scripture.

I will go on to fully explain everything they believe. I will leave no stone unturned. I now know exactly where they come from and exactly where they are going in their doctrine. I have plumbed the depths of Satan to see their beginning and their ending, and I will not stop.

One thing about cults: they hold back in secret their deepest decrees of Scripture, where mysticism and mythology take over. They wait, until they have lured the simple and the unsuspecting into a sense of trust and 'brotherhood', and then they pounce as the lion waiting in the brush to deliver their darkest understandings.

I will not. I will expose everything so soon as it comes to mind. And if they do not correct, then they agree. I have not read their book, but I will write it, because I now have the key to their knowledge and understanding, however false and twisted it may be.

This thread is about one thing only: the teachings of them that worship the LORD Jehovah only, and Christ is but a created creature from His mind way back when, in order to create other things from His mind. Therefore they give lip service to Jesus, as a name to use to deceive the ignorant.

 

[APAK]

This is what they believe:

The LORD Jehovah is the only true God. There is no other beside Him.

The LORD Jehovah is God, not Jesus.

In the beginning of the LORD's way, His 1st creation was that of His wisdom and word and power as the 1st angel, the angel of the LORD, the 1st spiritual being of all creation. He was the firstborn of every creature. It was by him, by his spirit, being spoken by Jehovah, that the world was created.

The LORD Jehovah is love, not Jesus.

In the beginning of the word, the LORD made the 1st angel to become man in the flesh, He called him Jesus his begotten son, who was to be the exact image of Jehovah's love for the world. He was sent and commanded to speak all the things of the LORD Jehovah to the Jews first, and then the Gentiles, that they might believe Jehovah and be saved.

"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption...and love"

Your OP has major errors mate. You did know this already? For starters Unitarians don't use LORD Jehovah as their signature name for YHWH.

These are the denominations that use this name regularly:

Assemblies of God, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons, Russellites, Baptists, Mormons, Lutherans, Menonites, Presyterians, Roman Catholics, SDA, United Methodists, Wesleyan.

And which Unitarian group are you referring to here anyway?

There is the Universal Unitarian and the Biblical Unitarian as the main two groups.

And then I think you are describing some of the JW beliefs for the contents of your OP

 

[robert derrick]

Jehovah only doctrine:

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

We are gods to whom the word of Jehovah has come, men after the flesh and gods after the hearing.

"If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken."

Jehovah called us gods, who have heard and received His word created by His will and spoken by His mouth. This cannot be denied. The angel of the LORD, whom He created for the express purpose of delivering His heart and mind to us, was put into our ears, and we received him into our hearts. We have consumed His first and holy angel created from the beginning of His way. We are gods.

"Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

His own who heard the LORD from old and were gods by hearing did not receive His son, when he came from them as one of them, man and god, because they knew not that the only true God and LORD Jehovah had created His 1st angel from the beginning, that He might make him a man come from man for man. His word came to man by His spirit from the mount, and came from man in the flesh as a son.

He declared himself son of God, because he was created by the LORD Jehovah for that purpose, and they understood not. They believed he made himself God, the LORD Jehovah Himself, and so called him blasphemer who the LORD Himself created and made. He did not declare himself LORD, but told them the truth: he was the created word from the beginning as angel of the LORD and has come to them as one of them, both man and god, that they might hear the declaration of Jehovah by a more sure word of prophecy. More sure than that by the created spirit on the mount, but by the created word himself in the flesh.

Those who hear the word of Jehovah that comes to them: are gods. And the 1st one Jehovah created to come to them was one of them, like unto them, in the likeness of sinful flesh, yet without sin, for he had been born with Jehovah's word in his heart: not by hearing of ears only, but by creating of Jehovah personally.

Jehovah spoke His created word and wisdom from the mount by the spirit of His very own created angel, and then that angel of word and wisdom was made a man from man to speak the word of Jehovah into the very ears of man. And his own received him not, who had heard what was created in the beginning from the LORD Jehovah Himself in the beginning. Therefore, he has been turned as the created waters of rivers from the heart of Jehovah to another people who never heard him and were no gods, but would believe him and be born again as gods like himself, except they who falsely worship him as Creator, when he himself said: I am the son of God, not God Himself.

 

[robert derrick]

Your OP has major errors mate. You did know this already? For starters Unitarians don't use LORD Jehovah as their signature name for YHWH.

These are the denominations that use this name regularly:

Assemblies of God, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons, Russellites, Baptists, Mormons, Lutherans, Menonites, Presyterians, Roman Catholics, SDA, United Methodists, Wesleyan.

And which Unitarian group are you referring to here anyway?

There is the Universal Unitarian and the Biblical Unitarian as the main two groups.

And then I think you are describing some of the JW beliefs for the contents of your OP

OP? I didn't know I had an OP.

Unitarianism as I understand it is from Arianism, where the son of God was originally a created being, the word and wisdom and power of God manifest as an angel, the angel of the LORD, and then made flesh as a man. The small difference of whether he only temporarily inhabited a human body or not, is not the main concern here.

The ones I have been dealing with are those who believe that Jesus as a man on earth was in the beginning the created word and wisdom of God. The 1st angel of all creation.

They are not 'oneness' Christians that believe the Son is the Father, but they are as the unbelieving Jews who called Jesus blasphemer for making Himself God. (John 10:33). Except that they think the Jews misunderstood him, when he called himself son of God, but not God Himself.

Therefore, anyone who believes in the creation of Christ myth is a unitarian to me. Now maybe Arian did not pointedly call upon Jehovah in everything to do with God, as the ones I am addressing today, but they still hold to the creation myth.

In any case, mate, is there something in particular in which I have erred in their doctrine of the created angel of the LORD to be made Christ on earth? Or are you just concerned about me labelling them all as unitarians? Is that what OP means? (Now, I do know about OP in the Andy Griffith show...)

 

[robert derrick]

"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."

The Father Jehovah LORD of all, who is One LORD is greater than the son He made from the beginning of creation, even as the Creator is greater than His creation. So long as we believe the word that Jehovah created in the beginning, spoken by His made from man son on earth, then we shall not be plucked out of the Father's hands, even as His son was not, though He died on the cross from ignorance of them that thought he had made himself the LORD Himself.

"Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are."

Even as he was created by Jehovah personally, so He was made man and sent to man personally to declare unto us that Person Jehovah, what he heard from the beginning of his creation by the LORD. For this purpose he was created in angelic spirit and sent in to do as man on earth, from the beginning of his way according to the determinant will of the LORD and Creator of all things, both spirit and flesh: Jehovah.

In this way they are one: one LORD Jehovah personally creating one angel and word, who personally declared on earth the one true God Jehovah in heaven. They are one in personality and in spirit, not in deity. One Creator in Person and one created personally.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Because the son obeyed the Father and declared Him according to His making in the beginning, the son was blessed with eternal life and immortality, so that now he that bore record in the beginning as angel and spirit of the word of God, does so again as deified man and mediator in heaven: the man Christ Jesus. In mediation and redemption they are one in purpose and agreement.

 

[robert derrick]

"Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life."

The law of the carnal commandment was delivered by the LORD Jehovah from the mount to Moses and the people of Israel, but was weak in that it only could enter the ears of flesh, but the law of Christ was delivered by the created word himself in person, so that them that believe from the heart should be born of the same spirit created in the word from the beginning.

Jehovah was not weak as men think weakness, but the speaking of His angel from high on tables of stone was not sufficient, and though God could not come down to earth as man in the flesh, the LORD Jehovah could send his angel created in the beginning for that very purpose. And upon declaring Him truly in flesh to them that are gods in hearing, he personally mediated the blessing of Jehovah the LORD between God and man.

For this cause he was given forever an endless life in heaven, deified by Jehovah himself: him that was only angel and spirit from the beginning, but now deified man and mediator forever.

Therefore, to not believe in the deification of Jesus by Jehovah, whereby the son was gifted with deity, is to not believe in the deity of His immortalized son.

But they that believe unto the end shall be likewise deified in like manner and after his likeness, which is man and god in heaven, not God Himself the LORD Jehovah. They were were once gods on earth by hearing become gods by faith in heaven...