Tolerance
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"Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:" Num 14:22-23
Their limit with God was the mentioned ten times. With Moses only one stepping out of line when he struck the rock instead of talking to it was at his limit.
God knows the limit and Peter expressed an interest here and understand then Jesus' response to him if you can:
"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven." Matt 18:21-22
What is God's limit? It does vary some with the people and their circumstances, does it not?
Did I misread your subject?
Thank you,
Doesn't there have to be some sincerity in asking for forgiveness?
What if I stole something and said , oh I'm sorry, and then did it again?
Would the standard still apply?
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April_Rose
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People mess up. It's a part of life. I don't think that I know anybody on this forum right now that would do something mean on purpose since we don't get very many trolls.
"Tolerance" is the watchword of the Liberals until they bump against anything that exposes the Leftists. Then there is nothing but intolerance and hatred. So there's your limit right there.
No one should tolerate nonsense. And there is far too much of that out there right now.
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Depends on who you're dealing with, I deal with disabled people and find there is no end to tolerance I require, and with that I need to take breaks from them sometimes. To recover from their behavior. I also set boundaries.
To God I believe that sincerity makes all of the difference and it should make a difference to us. People who have become hardened criminals or even some not so hardened may be really sorry they got caught and have to pay a penalty. God expects us to be sorry we did our dirty deed and also to be serious about striving not to do it again. This is describing repentance where a changed attitude is in place in the person saying, "I am really sorry". This is what John the Baptist was getting at when he spoke of repentance here:
"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:" Matt 3:7-8
April_Rose
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I agree there are special circumstances where one must go above and beyond that which is required.
My amount of tolerance throughout my life has been not so good.
I've always had a tendency to slap back so to speak.
I am being drawn to study perseverence, tolerance, patience in a most personal and direct way.
I've never asked myself, How tolerant are you?
The answer was.. not enough.
But I found the more tolerant I became the more harsher the trial became.
And I wondered.. Is there a time to, as you say, to set boundaries?
I'm in a learning curve right now, and prayerfully growing.
Thank You All for your replies.
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April_Rose
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Yes, sister, it is called repentance. Without it our words are empty indeed!
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quietthinker
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God has forgiven all in Jesus, something so foreign to the human heart we resist it. The connection between what Jesus did and how people respond are different matters entirely. Consider Judas, Jesus addressed him at the moment he was being betrayed as 'my friend' but in spite of that, he couldn't/wouldn't believe it. His own underestimation of God's generosity had him kill himself ie, God didn't kill him.
What I am saying here is, sincerity is born in those who trust God's generosity.
Maybe one must also consider what kind of light of Christ they want to be, towards the other person, who they need to tolerate, continue to forgive, and love? Maybe you're the only one God has put in their life, who is the closest to being Christ like for them?
April_Rose
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Of course sometimes somebody stabs you in the back so hard that I don't think forgiveness is an option!!! 
quietthinker
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Of course sometimes somebody stabs you in the back so hard that I don't think forgiveness is an option!!!
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant. Matthew 18:21-35
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
“Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
“But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
“His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
“But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
“Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to.33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
April_Rose
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Let me rephrase that,.. forgiveness can be an option but that's not always something that can happen right away. It needs to be earned.
Earned? That is man's way of looking at it. Consider these words spoken by Jesus:
"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots." Luke 23:34
He was forgiving the ones who had just hammered nails into his hands and his feet so that he would hang on a cross and die a miserable painful death. As he was forgiving them they were gambling to see who would get to keep his clothes. Did they "earn" his forgiveness or did give he it to them freely expecting nothing from them in return and... then... and then he died!
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." Luke 23:46
That was Jesus way of forgiving people who DID NOT earn it!
Are we not like Him? Are we not to be like Him? When should we start? Tomorrow or next week or next year? Tomorrow may indeed for any one of us never come! When do we expect to see Him as He is?
April_Rose
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Okay,.. so I might forgive,.. but that doesn't mean friendship is always an option. After all, when a crime has been committed that doesn't take away the fact that it's already been done even if there is forgiveness there.
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