Biblical Mary

[Mungo]

@Michiah-Imla
Referring to your claim that scripture doesn't need interpretation:
“From the beginning, the fault lines of Protestantism appeared when Zwingli and Oecolampadius (two lesser Reformers) differed with Luther on the Real Presence, and the Anabaptists dissented on the Eucharist, infant Baptism, Ordination, and the function of civil authority…… By 1577, the book 200 Interpretations of the Word, “This is My Body” was published at Ingolstadt, Germany.”
(A Biblical Defence of Catholicism by Dave Armstrong)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

But if all scripture were that simple we would not have these endless disputes: baptism regeneration, OSAS, sacraments, authority, Justification, Atonement, nature of the church etc. etc.

The scriptures are that simple.

But many men corrupt it.

All religious traditions have this in common, they have:

"…made the commandment of God of none effect by [their] tradition." (Matthew 15:6)

 

[Mungo]

Now that's original.

Lol

No it's not. Unfortunately such failures to backup claims is common among anti-Catholics

 

[Mungo]

The scriptures are that simple.

But many men corrupt it.

All religious traditions have this in common, they have:

"…made the commandment of God of none effect by [their] tradition." (Matthew 15:6)

see my post above yours.

 

[Taken]

SCRIPTURE IS KNOWLEDGE...
Anyone can read it...even Satan!

Understanding the Knowledge...
...some knowledge is plainly given.
...some knowledge is NOT plainly given.
...Philosophers, are thinkers who devise their IDEA of what NON-Plain Scripture means....<--- that is a mans private interpretation.
...ANY MAN can give his Private interpretation...
...From HIS MINDS THOUGHTS.
...From HIS SPIRITS THOUGHTS.

*** THERE IS ONLY "ONE WAY" a man CAN RECEIVE GODS UNDERSTANDING OF HIS OWN WORD...
****FROM GODS SPIRIT TO THE MANS spirit****

Satan can read, and read, and read...but will never understand...because God does not give him Gods understanding.

Men can hear, can hear, can hear, can read, can read, can read....and until God gives them His understanding....they don't have it.

Many men, (particularly Catholic men) proclaim, project, repeat, argue with ...
The written manuals of mens, philosophies, interpretations, AS IF, it should be considered to have standing above Gods Understanding.
It Doesn't. It's trickery.

PETER posthumously appointed as a "pope",
It was; Simon Barjona who was Given Gods Understanding FROM GOD HIMSELF And Scripture expressly says so...

Matt 16
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but (BY) my Father which is in heaven.

And if you continue reading....all the other disciples received the SAME, as Simon Barjona; of Gods Understanding.

How come Catholics didn't posthumously appoint all the other Disciples "as popes"...

 

[BreadOfLife]

The scriptures are that simple.
But many men corrupt it.
All religious traditions have this in common, they have:
"…made the commandment of God of none effect by [their] tradition." (Matthew 15:6)

Soooooo, is the ecclesial divorce that is Protestantism, to the tune of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects - ALL based on the personal interpretations and traditions of their leaders NOT a "corruption" of the Scriptures?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Councils tackled heresies that are clearly against the teachings of Scripture.

If YOU are attempting to defend the errors of Arianism, Nestorianism, Sabellianism, Gnosticism, etc., - then it's NO WONDER why you're so confused

Why am I not surprised you would take my words out of context and make them sound like I am defending heretical doctrine. I simply said they were biased so they can not be trusted as you showed from my authors in denouncing heresy.

But you felt th eneed to take it all out of context because of whatever sinister anger you harbor in side towards me.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

ONE more time, Einstein.

There is the Catholic Church.
WITHIN that ONE Church - there are some 20 Liturgical Rites that are ALL in communion with each other.

There is no "Roman Catholic Church" - just The Catholic Church.
Did that sink in this time?

But eeyore- there is only one Roman Catholic Church!

Just like Baptist. within that term for faith, there are over 16 different flavors! And the Southern Baptists oh eeyore are not IBBF Baptists.

Roman Catholics may be Catholic, but they are not Maronite Catholics- do you not understand the distinction. Or are you still old school and believes only Catholics are true believers.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Then what is your point??
Why do YOU think Jesus refers to His mother as "Woman" in John's Gospel?

Cuz Jesus couldn't die as the son of Mary. Cuz He had to obey Jewish Law (He did fulfill the entire Mosaic Law where applicable) and turned care of Mary over to one He could trust.

Jesus had to die without any human attachments. He was the lamb of God whom the Father poured all the sins of humanity on and p unished Him in our place! That is why.

Jesus is God the Son and even on the cross He was not careless with words and used them as horribly as those who love to allegorize and reinterpret SCripture to match their agenda instead of reinterpreting their agenda to match Scriupture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

SCRIPTURE IS KNOWLEDGE...
Anyone can read it...even Satan!
*** THERE IS ONLY "ONE WAY" a man CAN RECEIVE GODS UNDERSTANDING OF HIS OWN WORD...
****FROM GODS SPIRIT TO THE MANS spirit****

Satan can read, and read, and read...but will never understand...because God does not give him Gods understanding.

Men can hear, can hear, can hear, can read, can read, can read....and until God gives them His understanding....they don't have it.

Many men, (particularly Catholic men) proclaim, project, repeat, argue with ...
The written manuals of mens, philosophies, interpretations, AS IF, it should be considered to have standing above Gods Understanding.
It Doesn't. It's trickery.

PETER posthumously appointed as a "pope",
It was; Simon Barjona who was Given Gods Understanding FROM GOD HIMSELF And Scripture expressly says so...

Matt 16
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but (BY) my Father which is in heaven.

And if you continue reading....all the other disciples received the SAME, as Simon Barjona; of Gods Understanding.

How come Catholics didn't posthumously appoint all the other Disciples "as popes"...

Interesting . . .

Sooooo - can I just assume that ALL of your tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the personal interpretations of their leaders ALL received "God's understanding"??

Sooooo, according to YOU - He is the God of confusion - and NOT order?

Oh, and NOBODY was "posthumously appointed" to any office.
Jesus appointed Peter as earthly head (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:31-32, John 21:15-19) . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

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FAQ: Did Jesus' mom expect him back from death?

A: I don't think so. A search of the names of the women who went out to
Christ's gravesite on Easter morning doesn't find her mentioned among
them.

None of Christ's original disciples believed he was going to recover from
crucifixion, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that Christ's mom didn't believe
either. It's not like she committed some kind of heinous atrocity or gross sin.
Her doubt was simply status quo among Christ's followers.

There's really very few plausible Bible reasons why Christ's mom wasn't out
in the cemetery waiting to greet her son Easter morning.

1» She didn't believe he was coming back

2» She didn't believe he could come back

3» She forgot he said he was coming back

4» She didn't know he said he was coming back

5» She was indisposed when he came back

6» She was out of town when he came back

In regards to No.1; because normal mothers are so bonded to their own
flesh and blood, this reason seems to me the most likely.

In regards to No.2; the physical mess Jesus was in after his ordeal makes
this a likely possibility; but no excuse.

In regards to No.3; that actually happened to a number of the disciples-- but
would a normal mother forget something like that?

In regards to No.4; it's highly unlikely Jesus would confide such an
important matter with his disciples and not his own mom-- the alleged
Queen Of Heaven and the Mother Of All Christians?

In regards to No.5; there's nothing in the Gospel narratives suggesting
Christ's mom was indisposed.

In regards to No.6; it's highly unlikely Christ's mom would leave Jerusalem if
she knew her boy was going to recover from crucifixion. Any truly loving
mother would want to be on hand when her boy was restored to life and his
injuries healed. Surely that would be just as much cause for a joyous
reunion as a son coming home alive and well from Afghanistan.

I don't know if any hereabouts have children of their own, but I can tell you
from 39+ years of parental experience with a very sensitive woman, that if
my son were to be killed, and his mother expected him back in three days;
she would have been camped out in that cemetery all three of those days
waiting for him; and threats to cut her throat wouldn't persuade her
otherwise. Any normal mother would have been out there in that cemetery
even if there was only a remote chance their boy might recover. I know,
because I've seen that kind of mother's love right here in my own home.

If Christ's mom truly believed her boy would recover, and truly expected him
to; then if she was even half the mother my wife is; she would have been
out there at the very least on the third day waiting for him with food and
water and fresh clothing; but alas, she wasn't: not because she didn't love
her son; but simply because she wasn't expecting him to be there.
_

Your true colors came out on another thread . It didnt look good at all my friend .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Cuz Jesus couldn't die as the son of Mary. Cuz He had to obey Jewish Law (He did fulfill the entire Mosaic Law where applicable) and turned care of Mary over to one He could trust.

Jesus had to die without any human attachments. He was the lamb of God whom the Father poured all the sins of humanity on and p unished Him in our place! That is why.

Jesus is God the Son and even on the cross He was not careless with words and used them as horribly as those who love to allegorize and reinterpret SCripture to match their agenda instead of reinterpreting their agenda to match Scriupture.

You're ALL over the place on this . . .

First of all - HOW was Jesus the son of Mary during His lifetime - but NOT at the hour of His death??
EXPLAIN - or at least show me the Scriptural support for this.

Secondly - WHY would Jesus turn Mary over to the care of an Apostle- when she supposedly had several other children to do the job, according to Mosaci Law?? AND - what business was it of His to do this if she WASN'T His mother as YOU say??

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You're ALL over the place on this . . .

First of all - HOW was Jesus the son of Mary during His lifetime - but NOT at the hour of His death??
EXPLAIN - or at least show me the Scriptural support for this.

Secondly - WHY would Jesus turn Mary over to the care of an Apostle- when she supposedly had several other children to do the job, according to Mosaci Law?? AND - what business was it of His to do this if she WASN'T His mother as YOU say??

How could god just speak and cause everything to come into existence? Maybe half his biology was still the son of Mary, but He dismissed her to John- He didn't say "Mom, JOhn is going to care for you from now on." Hew said WOMAN_ look upon you r son- and he was reffering to John, not HImself. Just because you can't reason it out with you r finite mind, doesn't mean it is not true!

 

[BreadOfLife]

But eeyore- there is only one Roman Catholic Church!

Just like Baptist. within that term for faith, there are over 16 different flavors! And the Southern Baptists oh eeyore are not IBBF Baptists.

Roman Catholics may be Catholic, but they are not Maronite Catholics- do you not understand the distinction. Or are you still old school and believes only Catholics are true believers.

No, their isn't, Einstein.
As I have told you about SIX times now - "Roman" is simply ONE of the Liturgical Rites of the Catholic Church.

There is no "Roman Catholic Church". Maronites, Byzantines, Melkites and Romans are ALL part of the ONE Catholic Church.
An NO - they are not different "flavors". Liturgical Rites are largely ethnic differences - but doctrinally, we believe in the SAME things.

Are you really this dense - or is it just an act?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, their isn't, Einstein.
As I have told you about SIX times now - "Roman" is simply ONE of the Liturgical Rites of the Catholic Church.

There is no "Roman Catholic Church". Maronites, Byzantines, Melkites and Romans are ALL part of the ONE Catholic Church.
An NO - they are not different "flavors". Liturgical Rites are largely ethnic differences - but doctrinally, we believe in the SAME things.

Are you really this dense - or is it just an act?

So you are saying there are more than one ROMAN Catholic Church. Let me repeat that cuz you seemed confused. We are speaking of teh ROMAN CAtholic Church. NOt any other churcjthat puts catholic in their name. Th eMaronites are not ROMAN CATHOLIC. Are you that bereft of understanding this or are you just being intentioanlly obstinate?

 

[Taken]

And once again - projecting instead of addressing.

Sooooo, you believe that God is an actual rock and an actual bird with wings and feathers.
Like I said - this nonsense is precisely why nobody takes you seriously . . .

How do YOU know what:
Spiritual ROCK,
Spiritual WINGS,
Spiritual ANYTHING,
LOOKS LIKE with your Canal EYES?

It is nonsense to you...Because everything you think, see, talk about IS Carnal mindedness projections.

 

[Wrangler]

Hew said WOMAN_ look upon you r son- and he was reffering to John, not HImself. Just because you can't reason it out with you r finite mind, doesn't mean it is not true!

How can your reason it out with your finite mind? John is the son of Mary and Jesus fathered himself, which is why he is called the son ... just because your come up with nonsense does not mean it is true.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why am I not surprised you would take my words out of context and make them sound like I am defending heretical doctrine. I simply said they were biased so they can not be trusted as you showed from my authors in denouncing heresy.
But you felt th eneed to take it all out of context because of whatever sinister anger you harbor in side towards me.

"Biased", as opposed to WHAT??

Apparently, you don't understand that during the time of the Councils prior to the 15th century - there was only ONE Christian Church.
The aberrant teachings that they were addressing were heresies. these weren't simply "Christian denominations" - that came LATER.

So - when YOU say, the Councils were "biased" - what do you base that on?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Soooooo, is the ecclesial divorce that is Protestantism, to the tune of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects - ALL based on the personal interpretations and traditions of their leaders NOT a "corruption" of the Scriptures?

Yes, it is.

They fled an old corrupt tradition, and created another “church” based on a new and different corrupt tradition.

Then later, more people from those corrupt traditions went out and formed another “church” based on a different corrupt tradition, and on and on it went until you see the mess you see today…

A cancer of false doctrines that have totally removed all credibility from Christianity among the heathen; full of hypocrisy.

Bill Maher has had a field day with this stuff!

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:11-12)

 

[BreadOfLife]

How do YOU know what:
Spiritual ROCK,
Spiritual WINGS,
Spiritual ANYTHING,
LOOKS LIKE with your Canal EYES?

It is nonsense to you...Because everything you think, see, talk about IS Carnal mindedness projections.

Once again - you FAIL to understand the concept of anthropomorphisms and other metaphorical language of Scripture.

So, YOU go on thinking that God is an actual rock and an actual bird with actual feathers and the rest of us will just have pity on you . . .