'I Must be about My Father's Business' (Luke 2:49)

[charity]

'And the multitude cometh together again,
so that they could not so much as eat bread.
And when His friends heard of it,
they went out to lay hold on Him:
for they said, "He is beside Himself."'
(Mar 3:20-21)

'There came then His brethren and His mother,
and, standing without, sent unto Him, calling Him.
And the multitude sat about Him,
and they said unto Him,
"Behold, Thy mother and Thy brethren without seek for Thee."
And He answered them, saying,
"Who is My mother, or My brethren?"
And He looked round about on them which sat about Him,
and said, "Behold My mother and My brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God,
the same is My brother, and My sister, and Mother."'
(Mar 3:31-35)

Hello there,

The Lord Jesus Christ came to do the will of His Father, He was sent by Him to fulfill His will. Reading these passages quoted above, we see friends and family seeking to serve what they perceived to be the Lord's interests, according to the flesh: for He had been surrounded by the multitude of people seeking healing, and desiring to hear His words; so much so that He and His disciples had no opportunity to eat or to rest. His friends and family went to lay hold on Him, considering that He was 'beside Himself.'

* This was the flesh seeking to tend to the flesh: yet the Lord sought to do the will of His Father in Heaven and to do His work. So, when they called Him, and sent for Him, He did not respond, but looked around upon those around Him and said, 'For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is My brother, and My sister, and Mother.' The Father's will was that they should 'believe on Him Whom He had sent' (John 6:29).

* His friends and family were not doing the will of God in seeking to distract Him from the purpose which He had been sent into the world to do: and though He obviously loved His Mother and His brethren and friends, in the flesh. He did not allow them to take Him away from the work of God which He had come to do.

* The flesh will always war against the spirit, and well meaning friends and family can unwittingly try to distract us from doing the will of God in our own lives out of concern for us: how necessary it is for us to know the will of God for us, which is also to, 'believe on Him whom He (God the Father) hath sent', and walk in His ways: keeping our eyes always on the goal that is set before us, as our Lord did: so that we will not be distracted from God's purpose for us in Him.

'Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about
.. with so great a cloud of witnesses, (the faithful witnesses of Hebrews 11:1-40)
.... let us lay aside every weight,
...... and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
........ and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
.. Who for the joy that was set before Him
.... endured the cross,
...... despising the shame,
........ and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.'
(Heb 12:1-3)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

Hello again,

* The risen Lord, through Paul, said to the believers at Colosse:-

'For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you,
.. and for them at Laodicea,
.... and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love,
.. and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
.... to the acknowledgement of the mystery -
...... of God, and
........ of the Father, and
.......... of Christ;
............ In Whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
.. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit,
.... joying and beholding your order, and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
(Colossians 2:1-5)

'As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him:
.. Rooted and built up in Him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught,
.... abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
.. after the tradition of men,
.... after the rudiments of the world,
...... and not after Christ.
For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
.. And ye are complete in Him,
.... Which is the head of all principality and power:
In Whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
.. in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
.... Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him
...... through the faith of the operation of God, Who hath raised Him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
.. hath He quickened together with Him,
..... having forgiven you all trespasses;
...... Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances
........ that was against us, which was contrary to us,
.......... and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers,
.. He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. '
(Colossians 2:6-15)

'Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
.. or in respect of an holyday,
.... or of the new moon,
...... or of the sabbath days:
........ Which are a shadow of things to come;
.......... but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward
.. in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels,
.... intruding into those things which he hath not seen,
...... vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
........ And not holding the Head,
.......... from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered,
............ and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. '
(Colossians 2:16-19)

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
.. why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
.... (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using )
...... after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship,
.. and humility, and neglecting of the body;
.... not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.'
(Colossians 2:20-23)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Ziggy]

In your first post, what came to mind was when Jesus and his parents went to Jerusalem.
And when they were leaving they couldn't find the child.

Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

just sharing..
Thank You
Hugs

 

[charity]

In your first post, what came to mind was when Jesus and his parents went to Jerusalem.
And when they were leaving they couldn't find the child.

Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

just sharing..
Thank You
Hugs

Thank you, @Ziggy,

Yes, and they did not understand what He mean't by the words, 'wist ye not that I must be about My Father's business' did they? Mary kept all these sayings in her heart, but she had no conception of what was ahead for her son, and like all Mothers, she sought his physical good, but had no knowledge of what God had in store for Him. His brethren also did not believe in Him (John 7:5) later when His ministry began, did they? They thought He was beside Himself.

* Yet Mary had been told certain things, prophetically, eg., through Simeon, as well as by the words of God spoken by the angel Gabriel.

'And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother,
Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel;
and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,)
that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.'
(Luke 2:34-35)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

(I'm going to bed now, nearly midnight here)

 

[Ziggy]

Something about a man leaving his father and mother....
and cleaving to his wife..
He was in the temple daily and they sought not his life to kill him..
But they came out seeking him as a thief in the night.

sorry, thoughts are random...
They sought to kill him..
why hast thou thus dealt with us?
behold, they father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

How is it ye sought me?
wist ye not...

what is wist?
sounds like wished..

I believe the intention of wist is.. didn't you know?
It just struck me funny.. odd funny not haha..

wished ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

If you wasn't reading it, and you only heard it... I wonder what it would sound like?

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Goodnight Chris,

HUGS

 

[marks]

The flesh will always war against the spirit, and well meaning friends and family can unwittingly try to distract us from doing the will of God in our own lives out of concern for us: how necessary it is for us to know the will of God for us, which is also to, 'believe on Him whom He (God the Father) hath sent', and walk in His ways: keeping our eyes always on the goal that is set before us, as our Lord did: so that we will not be distracted from God's purpose for us in Him.

This reminds me . . .

Jeremiah 6:16a KJV
16) Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

Good post!

Much love!

 

[charity]

@Ziggy @marks

Thank you both.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our risen and glorified
Lord and Head,
Chris

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[charity]

'From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto His disciples,
.. how that He must go unto Jerusalem,
.... and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes,
...... and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Then Peter took Him, and began to rebuke Him, saying,
.. "Be it far from thee, Lord:
.... this shall not be unto thee."
But He turned, and said unto Peter,
.. "Get thee behind me, Satan:
.... thou art an offence unto me:
...... for thou savourest not the things that be of God,
........ but those that be of men."'
(Matthew 16:21-22)

Hello again,

I awoke this morning with this example of the flesh waring against the spirit, seeking to thwart God's purposes: and the example of the Lord Jesus Christ, in that He immediately rebuked the attempt of Satan to keep Him, 'from this hour (John 12:27)'. For this was what He had come to be and to do: though it be viewed by His disciples, His friends and family as something they would seek to save Him from. He must not allow their kindness and concern for Him in the flesh to take Him from achieving His Father's purpose.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

'And that because of false brethren unawares brought in,
who came in privily to spy out our liberty
which we have in Christ Jesus,
that they might bring us into bondage:
To whom we gave place by subjection,
no, not for an hour;
that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.'
(Galatians 2:4-5)

Hello yet again,

The Lord is bringing before my mind more and more examples, and this one which relates to Paul, whose life had been turned around on the road to Damascus, and would forever now be set upon the path of obediently believing and trusting in the God of all grace, and doing His will. He, did not 'give place' to those among his own countrymen, who sought to place the Gentile believers in his care under law, though 'they seemed to be somewhat' (Galatians 2:6). No, He remained true to the gospel that had been divinely made known to Him to administer.

It led Paul to imprisonment, and hardships which would have to be endured, and time and again there were those who sought to rescue him from what the Spirit was showing them was ahead for him (Acts 20:22-24), but he would not be deflected, even though all left Him, and would eventually not give heed to Him or his message. But, 'the Lord stood with him'(2 Timothy 4:17), and God's strength proved more than sufficient in Paul's weakness (2 Corinthians 12:9) . No! Paul was 'the Lord's prisoner' (Ephesians 4:1), though a Roman chain held him, and he submitted to it with Joy; for it was His Lord's will, and God's purpose for him. Yes, he rather 'gloried' in his infirmities that the power of Christ may rest upon him.

For Paul and Christ Jesus His Lord, 'the flesh profiteth nothing' (John 6:63). It was the will of God that they sought to accomplish, by His grace.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


PS: I realise that John 6:63 has quite a different application,
none the less it reflects the Lord's attitude to the flesh.

 

[charity]

'Thou therefore gird up thy loins, and arise,
.. and speak unto them all that I command thee:
.... be not dismayed at their faces,
...... lest I confound thee before them.
For, behold, I have made thee this day a defenced city,
.. and an iron pillar, and brasen walls against the whole land,
.... against the kings of Judah,
...... against the princes thereof,
........ against the priests thereof,
.......... and against the people of the land.
And they shall fight against thee;
.. but they shall not prevail against thee;
.... for I am with thee, saith the LORD,
...... to deliver thee.'
(Jeremiah 1:17-19)

Hello again,

In Jeremiah chapter one, the Lord called and endowed Jeremiah for the task he was called upon to perform. In verses 17-19 God gave Jeremiah assurances concerning the power that He had towards Him, and though he would suffer at the hands of those to whom he delivered the words of God, he was to live within the light of the knowledge of those assurances, and by faith walk on in obedience and trust. If he gave way to his flesh, and allowed fear to enter and influence his stand, then he would be confounded before the people, for he would have stepped out of faith. Like Peter who sought to walk on the water, began to sink beneath the waves of the lake when he took his eyes off His Saviour.

We walk by faith and not by sight, and have also been given promises and great assurance in Christ Jesus our risen Lord (eg., Ephesians 1:19-20). Let us be strong in faith, and believe Him, and trust Him to keep us in all circumstances, whatever the opposition of the flesh.

Thank you
May God be praised!
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

This reminds me . . .

Jeremiah 6:16a KJV
16) Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

Good post!

Much love!

'Thus saith the LORD,
Stand ye in the ways, and see,
and ask for the old paths, where is the good way,
and walk therein,
and ye shall find rest for your souls.'
(Jeremiah 6:16)

Hello @marks,

The words that you left out, concerning Jerusalem, are, ' But they said, We will not walk therein.' They stood in the ways, they saw, they enquired after the old paths, and where is the good way, but they refused to walk therein. May that not be true of us.

Praise God for His word: it truly does, ' ... pierce even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Robert Gwin]

'And the multitude cometh together again,
so that they could not so much as eat bread.
And when His friends heard of it,
they went out to lay hold on Him:
for they said, "He is beside Himself."'
(Mar 3:20-21)

'There came then His brethren and His mother,
and, standing without, sent unto Him, calling Him.
And the multitude sat about Him,
and they said unto Him,
"Behold, Thy mother and Thy brethren without seek for Thee."
And He answered them, saying,
"Who is My mother, or My brethren?"
And He looked round about on them which sat about Him,
and said, "Behold My mother and My brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God,
the same is My brother, and My sister, and Mother."'
(Mar 3:31-35)

Hello there,

The Lord Jesus Christ came to do the will of His Father, He was sent by Him to fulfill His will. Reading these passages quoted above, we see friends and family seeking to serve what they perceived to be the Lord's interests according to the flesh: for He had been surrounded by the multitude of people seeking healing, and desiring to hear His words; so much so that He and His disciples had no opportunity to eat or to rest. His friends and family went to lay hold on Him, considering the He was 'beside Himself.'

This was the flesh seeking to tend to the flesh: yet the Lord sought to do the will of His Father in Heaven and to do His work. So, when they called Him, and sent for Him, He did not respond, but looked around upon those around Him and said, 'For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is My brother, and My sister, and Mother.' The Father's will was that they should 'believe on Him Whom He had sent' (John 6:29).

His friends and family were not doing the will of God in seeking to distract Him from the purpose which He had been sent into the world to do: and though He obviously loved His Mother and His brethren and friends, in the flesh. He did not allow them to take Him away from the work of God which He had come to do.

The flesh will always war against the spirit, and well meaning friends and family can unwittingly try to distract us from doing the will of God in our own lives out of concern for us: how necessary it is for us to know the will of God for us, which is also to, 'believe on Him whom He (God the Father) hath sent', and walk in His ways: keeping our eyes always on the goal that is set before us, as our Lord did: so that we will not be distracted from God's purpose for us in Him.

'Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about
.. with so great a cloud of witnesses, (the faithful witnesses of Hebrews 11:1-40)
.... let us lay aside every weight,
...... and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
........ and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
.. Who for the joy that was set before Him
.... endured the cross,
...... despising the shame,
........ and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.'
(Heb 12:1-3)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris, clearly believing in Jehovah and Jesus are part of God's will. What else would you say doing His will would encompass maam?

 

[marks]

'Thus saith the LORD,
Stand ye in the ways, and see,
and ask for the old paths, where is the good way,
and walk therein,
and ye shall find rest for your souls.'
(Jeremiah 6:16)

Hello @marks,

The words that you left out, concerning Jerusalem, are, ' But they said, We will not walk therein.' They stood in the ways, they saw, they enquired after the old paths, and where is the good way, but they refused to walk therein. May that not be true of us.

Praise God for His word: it truly does, ' ... pierce even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Amen! Let that be our daily choice!

Much love!

 

[charity]

Hi Chris, clearly believing in Jehovah and Jesus are part of God's will.
What else would you say doing His will would encompass maam?

'Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God,
that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent.'
(John 6:29)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, includes believing what God says concerning both His Person and His work. I believe all that is written in God's word concerning both. Believing the gospel of God concerning His Son, and rejoicing in Him, is the will of God for us, and it is all encompassing.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Robert Gwin]

'Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God,
that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent.'
(John 6:29)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, includes believing what God says concerning both His Person and His work. I believe all that is written in God's word concerning both. Believing the gospel of God concerning His Son, and rejoicing in Him, is the will of God for us, and it is all encompassing.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

That is very true maam, I was kind of hoping that you might reveal our assignment as Christians however. Do we have an assignment?

 

[charity]

That is very true maam, I was kind of hoping that you might reveal our assignment as Christians however. Do we have an assignment?

'As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him:
Rooted and built up in Him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught,
abounding therein with thanksgiving.'
(Colossians 2:6)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

I am not aware of an 'assignment' having been given me, other than that which is found in Colossians 2:6 (above). Which is why I quoted that chapter in reply#2.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

'And the multitude cometh together again,
so that they could not so much as eat bread.
And when His friends heard of it,
they went out to lay hold on Him:
for they said, "He is beside Himself."'
(Mar 3:20-21)

'There came then His brethren and His mother,
and, standing without, sent unto Him, calling Him.
And the multitude sat about Him,
and they said unto Him,
"Behold, Thy mother and Thy brethren without seek for Thee."
And He answered them, saying,
"Who is My mother, or My brethren?"
And He looked round about on them which sat about Him,
and said, "Behold My mother and My brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God,
the same is My brother, and My sister, and Mother."'
(Mar 3:31-35)

Hello there,

The Lord Jesus Christ came to do the will of His Father, He was sent by Him to fulfill His will. Reading these passages quoted above, we see friends and family seeking to serve what they perceived to be the Lord's interests, according to the flesh: for He had been surrounded by the multitude of people seeking healing, and desiring to hear His words; so much so that He and His disciples had no opportunity to eat or to rest. His friends and family went to lay hold on Him, considering that He was 'beside Himself.'

* This was the flesh seeking to tend to the flesh: yet the Lord sought to do the will of His Father in Heaven and to do His work. So, when they called Him, and sent for Him, He did not respond, but looked around upon those around Him and said, 'For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is My brother, and My sister, and Mother.' The Father's will was that they should 'believe on Him Whom He had sent' (John 6:29).

* His friends and family were not doing the will of God in seeking to distract Him from the purpose which He had been sent into the world to do: and though He obviously loved His Mother and His brethren and friends, in the flesh. He did not allow them to take Him away from the work of God which He had come to do.

* The flesh will always war against the spirit, and well meaning friends and family can unwittingly try to distract us from doing the will of God in our own lives out of concern for us: how necessary it is for us to know the will of God for us, which is also to, 'believe on Him whom He (God the Father) hath sent', and walk in His ways: keeping our eyes always on the goal that is set before us, as our Lord did: so that we will not be distracted from God's purpose for us in Him.

'Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about
.. with so great a cloud of witnesses, (the faithful witnesses of Hebrews 11:1-40)
.... let us lay aside every weight,
...... and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
........ and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
.. Who for the joy that was set before Him
.... endured the cross,
...... despising the shame,
........ and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.'
(Heb 12:1-3)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

MARK 3:31-35 is also the verse I use that demonstrates that Jesus' mother was no better than His sheep. He put her on equal ground, "these are my mother's and brothers" - showing no favoritism nor misplaced glory or adoration to be given to Mary. If we were supposed to, Jesus would have introduced her as everyones mother right at that time and at other times as well. Mary got 19 verses in the Bible and that is it. After Jesus ascension, and the last mention of Mary in Acts, she is not mentioned in the rest of the Bible. Romans is considered a complete summation of Christian theology - poor Mary, must have slipped Paul's mind completely since none of the other epistles mention her either.
She was blessed (happy) and special. She did her duty as a mother and that was her purpose.
Sorry, I don't mean to detail your thread nor open up a never ending debate with Catholics.

 

[Robert Gwin]

'As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him:
Rooted and built up in Him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught,
abounding therein with thanksgiving.'
(Colossians 2:6)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

I am not aware of an 'assignment' having been given me, other than that which is found in Colossians 2:6 (above). Which is why I quoted that chapter in reply#2.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The key is found in the words walk in him maam. That is an action word. Our actual assignment given to us by Jesus is found at Mat 28:19,20. Christians have been and will be engaged in that work until Mat 24:14 is fulfilled to God's satisfaction.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The Lord Jesus Christ came to do the will of His Father, He was sent by Him to fulfill His will. Reading these passages quoted above, we see friends and family seeking to serve what they perceived to be the Lord's interests, according to the flesh: for He had been surrounded by the multitude of people seeking healing, and desiring to hear His words; so much so that He and His disciples had no opportunity to eat or to rest. His friends and family went to lay hold on Him, considering that He was 'beside Himself.

makes me think of Acts 26:15-28 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: [20] But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. [21] For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. [22] Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: [23] That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. [24] And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad. [25] But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness. [26] For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner. [27] King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest. [28] Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.