Should people be called teachers?

[Robbie]

I was wondering what people's opinions are about Jesus saying, "do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ."

and John basically agreeing by saying, "As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him.

and then Paul saying something that to me sounds like it contradict both Jesus and John when he said that God had given some to be teachers.

Wondering what people's perspectives are and what foundational beliefs they use to come up with their perspectives as far as those ideas.

 

[Disciple]

the word 'teachers' in pauls epistle probably is something else in hebrew.. idk.

 

[Angelina]

Wondering what people's perspectives are and what foundational beliefs they use to come up with their perspectives as far as those ideas

This is not a foundational belief but rather an idea that perhaps needs to be explored in greater detail. I love this verse!

Galatians 3

Faith or Works of the Law
[sup]1[/sup] You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. [sup]2[/sup] I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? [sup]3[/sup] Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[sup]][/sup] [sup]4[/sup] Have you experienced[sup] [/sup]so much in vain—if it really was in vain? [sup]5[/sup] So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? [sup]6[/sup] So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” [sup]7[/sup] Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. [sup]8[/sup] Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” [sup]9[/sup] So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

[sup]10[/sup] For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[sup] 11[/sup] Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[sup][f][/sup] [sup]12[/sup] The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” [sup]13[/sup] Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” [sup]14[/sup] He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.


The Law and the Promise
[sup]15[/sup] Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. [sup]16[/sup] The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[sup] [/sup]meaning one person, who is Christ. [sup]17[/sup] What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. [sup]18[/sup] For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. [sup]19[/sup] Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. [sup]20[/sup] A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

[sup]21[/sup] Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. [sup]22[/sup] But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.


Children of God
[sup]23[/sup] Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. [sup]24[/sup] So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. [sup]25[/sup] Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. [sup]26[/sup] So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, [sup]27[/sup] for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [sup]28[/sup] There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [sup]29[/sup] If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.




Just as the Law was given as a guardian until Christ [Mashyiach - Messiah] came so that we may be justified by faith...I believe that teachers are also there as guardians until the Holy Spirit indwells the believer [baptism of the Holy Spirit]. JMO...




Blessings!

 

[Thankful 1]

I was wondering what people's opinions are about Jesus saying, "do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ."

and John basically agreeing by saying, "As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him.

and then Paul saying something that to me sounds like it contradict both Jesus and John when he said that God had given some to be teachers.

Wondering what people's perspectives are and what foundational beliefs they use to come up with their perspectives as far as those ideas.

(Matthew 23:8-11)

'You, however, must not allow yourselves to be called Rabbi, since you have only one Master, and you are all brothers.

You must call no one on earth your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.

Nor must you allow yourselves to be called teachers, for you have only one Teacher, the Christ.

The greatest among you must be your servant.

Anyone who raises himself up will be humbled, and anyone who humbles himself will be raised up.





This is not about being a teacher. It is about being called a teacher.



Before one receives the Holy Spirit a teacher needs to teach one to accept Jesus as his or her savior.



We are not to rise up one another above each other.



Jesus told me that it was dangerous to call another man father or to be called father.

 

[Nomad]

I was wondering what people's opinions are about Jesus saying, "do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ."

Context goes a long way here in helping us understand Jesus' point. He begins by pointing to the ostentatious way the Pharisees conducted their ministries. They perform their office to be seen by men and to be exalted by men. Receiving certain high-flown titles was their way of displaying their importance. Jesus warns his disciples not to imitate their hypocrisy and pride.

His warning has very little to do with the use of titles as such. Jesus himself calls Nichodemus a great "teacher." The 5th commandment says to honor you "father" and mother. There are more examples, but that should suffice. The idea here is not to seek to be known as a 'guru' so as to be exalted above your brethren.

Mat 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat,
Mat 23:3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you--but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
Mat 23:4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.
Mat 23:5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long,
Mat 23:6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues
Mat 23:7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.
Mat 23:8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
Mat 23:11 The greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

[Thankful 1]

Context goes a long way here in helping us understand Jesus' point. He begins by pointing to the ostentatious way the Pharisees conducted their ministries. They perform their office to be seen by men and to be exalted by men. Receiving certain high-flown titles was their way of displaying their importance. Jesus warns his disciples not to imitate their hypocrisy and pride.

His warning has very little to do with the use of titles as such. Jesus himself calls Nichodemus a great "teacher." The 5th commandment says to honor you "father" and mother. There are more examples, but that should suffice. The idea here is not to seek to be known as a 'guru' so as to be exalted above your brethren.

Mat 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat,
Mat 23:3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you--but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
Mat 23:4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.
Mat 23:5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long,
Mat 23:6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues
Mat 23:7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.
Mat 23:8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
Mat 23:11 The greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Jesus may have said someone was a teacher, but he did not address anyone as teacher. Only Jesus was addressed as teacher.



By the way don’t ask a Calvinist, ask God.

 

[tomwebster]

...
By the way don’t ask a Calvinist, ask God.

He asked the forum, a Calvinist was the only one to give a reasonable answer.

 

[Thankful 1]

He asked the forum, a Calvinist was the only one to give a reasonable answer.

I know people don’t care to follow what Jesus told us, so they started listening to people like Calvinist, and to them he seemed reasonable.

 

[Disciple]

Nice bunch of scriptures nomad, what version of the holy book is that?

 

[Nomad]

My primary English translation is the ESV.

 

[Robbie]

Thanks everyone for sharing your perspectives and beliefs...

My personal perspective is that Jesus was assuming His position as the Word of God... our Teacher... we have One Teacher... the Christ...

My personal conviction is that to allow myself to be seen in someone's heart as they're teacher would be trying to put myself in the place that belongs to God's Word... that belongs to Christ... this is my personal conviction...

So my belief is simply that we shouldn't call anyone else our Teacher but Him... and we shouldn't allow anyone to call us teacher but should instead see ourselves as simply those who introduce others to the Teacher so they can know Him directly...

I also believe when God spoke to the disciples out of the cloud on the mount of transfiguration He testified to His Word being the only Teacher when He said, "This is my beloved Son hear Him" even though He was in the presence of both Moses and Elijah... after He spoke Moses and Elijah vanished and it was only Jesus...

I also believe John is pointing out the same thing when He says the anointing we've received Teaches us all things and we don't need anyone else to teach us... we have One Teacher... Christ... and through Him in us we're taught by God.

When we receive the testimony to the Word, the Word enters us and dwells within... in that day we realize the Father is in Jesus and Jesus in us and that we are indeed being taught by God directly thanks to the veil being torn in two and us having direct access to our Father through His Word Jesus.

 

[jacobtaylor]

Thanks everyone for sharing your perspectives and beliefs...

My personal perspective is that Jesus was assuming His position as the Word of God... our Teacher... we have One Teacher... the Christ...

My personal conviction is that to allow myself to be seen in someone's heart as they're teacher would be trying to put myself in the place that belongs to God's Word... that belongs to Christ... this is my personal conviction...

So my belief is simply that we shouldn't call anyone else our Teacher but Him... and we shouldn't allow anyone to call us teacher but should instead see ourselves as simply those who introduce others to the Teacher so they can know Him directly...

I also believe when God spoke to the disciples out of the cloud on the mount of transfiguration He testified to His Word being the only Teacher when He said, "This is my beloved Son hear Him" even though He was in the presence of both Moses and Elijah... after He spoke Moses and Elijah vanished and it was only Jesus...

I also believe John is pointing out the same thing when He says the anointing we've received Teaches us all things and we don't need anyone else to teach us... we have One Teacher... Christ... and through Him in us we're taught by God.

When we receive the testimony to the Word, the Word enters us and dwells within... in that day we realize the Father is in Jesus and Jesus in us and that we are indeed being taught by God directly thanks to the veil being torn in two and us having direct access to our Father through His Word Jesus.

Your thread topic is "should people be called teachers" Your definition contains nothing about being called a teacher, its all about having no teachers. Is that your contention?

 

[archaeologist5]

the word used in the passage is 'rabbi' which does no tmean 'teacher'. here are som emeanings to the word:

Rabbi” (pronounced “rah-bee” in Hebrew) literally means “my master.”

http://www.yourish.com/2008/01/24/4303

("my master"). Title of a qualified Jewish religious authority and teacher. It was originally, in Mishnaic times, an expression of respect. In the first century CE, it became an official title conferred on ordained members of the Sanhedrin who were adjudged to have established their reputations as experts in Jewish law. The ceremony at which the title was conferred was known as Ordination (semikhah). This could take place only in Erets Israel; in Babylonia, sages of similar status received the title Rav and never used the term "rabbi." Ordination in the full sense ceased in the fourth century. However, the term "rabbi" continued to be used for any individual who was qualified to make decisions in matters of Jewish law. A limited form of ordination known as hattarat hora'ah ("permission to teach"), signed by one or more scholars, developed, especially among Ashkenazi communities. Later, examinations were introduced, either by the Yeshivah where the candidate studied or by individual rabbis of sufficient authority to bestow the title.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...i#ixzz1Fbkpj2hg

răb'ī)

<BR itxtNodeId="202">n., pl., -bis.

• <LI itxtHarvested="1" itxtNodeId="231">(Abbr. R.) A person trained in Jewish law, ritual, and tradition and ordained for leadership of a Jewish congregation, especially one serving as chief religious official of a synagogue.
• A scholar qualified to interpret Jewish law.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...i#ixzz1Fbkz3w74

it really has little to do with a person being a teacher or calling them one. a better application would be to NOT call a martial arts teacher 'master' for they are not your master.

do not forget that 1 cor. 12 teaches about teaching being #3 in God's kingdom and uses the word 'teachers' thus teachers are highly regarded by God as is the teaching profession, per se.

 

[Nomad]

Your thread topic is "should people be called teachers" Your definition contains nothing about being called a teacher, its all about having no teachers. Is that your contention?

I would agree. Once again, Robbie misses the point and opts for his presuppositions. Jesus' warning was against any of us seeking preeminence among our brethren. He was in no, way, shape or form forbidding teachers as you rightly point out. I hope Robbie will consider the following:

Eph 4:7 But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift.
Eph 4:8 Therefore it says, "When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men."
Eph 4:9 (In saying, "He ascended," what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth?
Eph 4:10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ. . .

 

[Disciple]

At first when I stopped going to church like 2 months ago I felt bad, I think people today look at you bad if you dont attend church, but not I feel good, the Spirit has been teaching me and blessing me.

 

[Nomad]

At first when I stopped going to church like 2 months ago I felt bad, I think people today look at you bad if you dont attend church, but not I feel good, the Spirit has been teaching me and blessing me.

Hi Disciple,

While I would never minimize the importance of the Holy Spirit's role in our Christian walk, you may want to consider Hebrews 10:25 regarding church attendance.

Heb 10:24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Heb 10:25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

 

[Robbie]

I agree Disciple...

And I personally don't see meeting together or fellowship as listening to one guy talk for an hour about the bible, religions, and world affairs... I see meeting together as walking together in the deep relationships we develop with our brothers and sisters in the Lord and to me meeting together is getting together and discussing our lives in the light... if we don't live in the light with each other we don't have fellowship. So to me meeting together when the relationships are shallow is pointless. There's no accountability when our relationships with those we're meeting with are only as deep as the outside of the cup. The fellowship that matters the most to me is with the people that know me well enough that 1) I feel comfortable and safe enough with to live in the truth about my life, and 2) If I am fronting and not living in the truth they know me well enough to say, "What's up Robbie... I can tell there's something going on with you."

That to me is church because that's where I find true fellowship in the light... and only in that light can I really find accountability...

 

[Nomad]

I agree Disciple...

I see meeting together as walking together in the deep relationships we develop with our brothers and sisters in the Lord and to me meeting together is getting together and discussing our lives in the light...

Once again, you find yourself in the unenviable position of butting heads with Scripture. It's sad to watch. Believers are to meet together to engage in the collective worship of God, not to have felt-needs coddled. Relationships may certainly be a benefit of gathering together, but it's not the first priority. Scripture is very clear about the kinds of things that should take place when believers meet together.

1Co 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

1Ti 2:8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling. . .

1Ti 4:13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching.

2Ti 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

1Co 11:20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat.
1Co 11:21 For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk.
1Co 11:22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.
1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread,
1Co 11:24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
1Co 11:25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."
1Co 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

 

[tomwebster]

Once again, you find yourself in the unenviable position of butting heads with Scripture. It's sad to watch. Believers are to meet together to engage in the collective worship of God, not to have felt-needs coddled. Relationships may certainly be a benefit of gathering together, but it's not the first priority. Scripture is very clear about the kinds of things that should take place when believers meet together.

1Co 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

1Ti 2:8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling. . .

1Ti 4:13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching.

2Ti 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

1Co 11:20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat.
1Co 11:21 For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk.
1Co 11:22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.
1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread,
1Co 11:24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
1Co 11:25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."
1Co 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

True, but you do not need to be in a church building to do this. A small group can meet in a home and do all these things.

 

[Robbie]

haha... yeah.. because what I said was...

"Don't let each one have a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation because only one person should be reading the bible... And don't let the Word of Christ dwell with you... And don't let things be done for building up... and don't sing songs and hyms and don't be thankful to God in your heart. And don't lift up Holy Hands and I want you to be angry and quarell... and don't read any scriptures and don't exhort each other... and don't preach the Word... and don't have patience with each other... and also when you come together it's all about eating and drinking and don't share with your friends that are broke that way they'll feel bad about themselves"

give me a break... haha... don't trip on me not responding to you from now on guy... I'm putting you on ignore... I'm pretty much gonna ignore anyone who responds to stuff I never said or seem angry and like they want to quarell... lol

But I hope you're blessed and I really hope one day I can talk to you and feel like you're actually listening to what I'm saying... until then I hope the Lord keeps teaching and growing us...

In the mean time I'm sure I'll catch glimpses of how you're talking to others when they quote you... once I see growth in the way you talk to people I'll take you off ignore... but for now like Paul to my shame I'm to weak to deal with certain stuff...