God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

I am speaking about what is in the scriptures though...
When it comes to how each person individually interprets those words.
As we see everywhere, specially in bible forums, everyone has an interpretation of how they hear, or how they are given to hear by the Spirit.

There is no private interpretation of scripture. We either have the correct understanding or we don't.

You want to know what is detrimental to the bible?
Arguing about it.
If we can't agree as a church of what is written, even in it's most basic fundamental teachings,
is it any wonder the world looks at us, not as something to want to be a part of, but something to be got rid of.
We don't show a very good example of brotherly love to begin with.
All we do is snap at eachother, try to prove how much smarter we are than the next guy..
it's pathetic.

The act of legitimate discourse ( arguing even up to a heated one) is a part of the process. It doesn't become "wrong" until people refuse to acknowledge a truth because it doesn't fit their worldview or they started with an agenda to begin with.

There is also a legitimate point that often God's worst enemies are his own people. We as individuals and a collective don't do the best job of promoting the word.

All that being true, it doesn't excuse us from the mandate to try as we are called.

 

[BarneyFife]

I'm thoroughly incapable of rendering

Now, that is certainly true.

Ok then. We'll put you down for a no: no one is to be judged over a Sabbath, because it is not a commandment.

There is hope for you. The Spirit of God wouldn't allow you to do it. It's called conviction.

Your logic is like a pretzel here. I do not concede that the Sabbath is not a commandment, and you know it. I'm growing very tired of the head games. And I am not convicted that exhorting people to observe and obey what God has already said plainly in His (entire) Word is a wrong course of action.

My sincerest apologies. I did not see your response here.

Who are these millions in heaven that never kept a Sabbath? And how does that not apply to us?

They are the millions throughout the ages who lived up to all the light they had. We can only become as devout as our own individual awareness allows:

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)​

To stand by and watch people crucifying Christ afresh without warning them is despicable:

But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. (Ezekiel 33:6)​

 

[BarneyFife]

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For far too many Christians, the question is always "What must I do to be saved?"

This is just selfishness.

The main question should be:

"How can I best cooperate with God in dissolving the great controversy between Christ and Satan?"

Thoughts? (Dare I ask?)

 

[BarneyFife]

I do not believe <heaven> or in 'heaven' or <heaven will welcome> any, ever. Heaven is where God is on His Throne; where God is on His Throne is not heaven.

I don't understand your post. The first sentence makes no sense at all to me. In the 2nd, you have directly contradicted yourself, my friend. :)
Perhaps you are using hyperbole.

 

[Ziggy]

I don't understand your post. The first sentence makes no sense at all to me. In the 2nd, you have directly contradicted yourself, my friend. :)
Perhaps you are using hyperbole.

I kind of understood the 2nd part.
Heaven is where God is. And wherever God's throne is is where heaven is. Heaven isn't a place seperate from God.
God is heaven. ??
I think..

"How can I best cooperate with God in dissolving the great controversy between Christ and Satan?"

I don't understand what you mean by controversy between Christ and Satan.
Hugs

 

[BarneyFife]

I kind of understood the 2nd part.
Heaven is where God is. And wherever God's throne is is where heaven is. Heaven isn't a place seperate from God.
God is heaven. ??
I think..



I don't understand what you mean by controversy between Christ and Satan.
Hugs

But he says it is heaven and then he says it isn't. It's okay, anyway. He gets excited.

We're only separated from God because the sin disease had to be quarantined (which lasts roughly 6000 years) on earth. God couldn't kill Satan when he originally sinned because it would have spooked the other angels. So He moved him to earth to let the plague run its course which is, of course, facilitated by Calvary. If it hadn't been contained and conquered by Christ, we'd all be toast. :)

 

[Davy]

Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place.

The Acts reference might very well have them together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.

But even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.

Like Colossians 2 shows, not to judge any man according to holy days or the sabbaths. Acts 2:46 is just more proof of that.

You can keep to the Jew's sabbath day if you want; that is still not against Christian doctrine. But trying to belittle other believers in Christ for not... keeping the Jew's sabbath IS... against Christian doctrine per Colossians 2.

 

[BarneyFife]

Like Colossians 2 shows, not to judge any man according to holy days or the sabbaths. Acts 2:46 is just more proof of that.

You can keep to the Jew's sabbath day if you want; that is still not against Christian doctrine. But trying to belittle other believers in Christ for not... keeping the Jew's sabbath IS... against Christian doctrine per Colossians 2.

Expositing and explaining Scripture = belittling believers--amazing!

It is your own language that is belittling:

Read the Acts 20 Scripture I posted, as written. What else do you think it means when the early disciples came together on the first day of the week (Sunday) to break bread? Are you familiar with Communion with Christ Jesus?

 

[rstrats]

Davy,
re: "Like Colossians 2 shows, not to judge any man according to holy days or the sabbaths."

Not to judge about what with regard to holy days or the sabbaths?


re: "Acts 2:46 is just more proof of that."

I don't understand. More proof of what?



re: "You can keep to the Jew's sabbath day if you want..."

Actually, Leviticus 23:3 calls it the Lord's Sabbath.



re: "...trying to belittle other believers in Christ for not... keeping the Jew's sabbath IS... against Christian doctrine per Colossians 2."

Where have I belittled anyone here for not keeping the Sabbath?

 

[Ziggy]

Rome used to burn people at the stake for Judaising..
Just saying..

I don't believe anyone should be telling anyone what to do.
Teaching what is acceptable and unacceptable according to God's word... that's different.
I don't tell people to keep this day or that day.
I do what I do because God leads me to do what i do.

It's funny (not haha) , I don't have a calendar. I barely look at the clock. Each day just runs into the next.
I fall asleep I don't know if it's day or night, except to look out the window and see if the sun is coming up or going down.
I have a simple life. (I rather be out working, but that got cut short)
Somehow I know when it's Friday. I don't know how I know. I can mess up all the other days, like thinking Tuesday is Wednesday..
But not Fridays. I always get this desire to find new music videos to put in the Shabbat Shalom thread.
And it just happens naturally. I'm not waiting for that time to arrive, it just does.

And it's not about going anywhere or doing anything special.
It's just "remembering"
It's really that simple.
All God asks is that we Remember, and in our rememberances.. keep it holy. Don't pollute it with worldly thoughts, work, bills, stress.
Lay your burdens down, and relax and find peace.. just remember and keep it holy.

But I'm not telling anyone to do this. I'm not telling anyone that this day is better than that day, or this way is better than that way.
That's for you to decide. It's for you to accept this "time" as a gift or a demand.
It's up to you to do nothing at all.

I get offended when people claim that those who "keep" the sabbath are somehow forcing others to keep it too.
I'm not.
There may be some people that feel if you don't keep it then you will go to hell.
If that's the case then your salvation is justified by your works. And I don't agree with that.
What I do agree with is, God has given us many gifts in many different ways and forms.
And it's up to the individual to accept or not accept the gifts that are offered.
Some may choose these gifts and leave other ones behind.. that's up to them.

And as so many have claimed, we are no longer under the law.
So if I choose to keep it or not keep it, isn't affecting any laws.
So why are we still arguing about this anyways??

The world is falling apart people..
And we're going to be needed to pick up the pieces when humpty dumpty shatters.
There will be a lot of people without a clue as to the spiritual war surrounding us.
But they will have to see it eventually. There won't be any curtain hiding the great war.
And they will have questions, and I pray we are ready with the answers.

That's why that armour of God is so very important.
We're going to need it to protect ourselves and also to save others.
You ready for battle??

I believe we are coming to the end of the age of Grace, and the Lord is NOT HAPPY.
We need to really start preparing for the fallout.
There is going to be so many ready and willing to come to the Lord.

Luk 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

Rest while you can.. whatever day... because there is coming a time when there will be no rest.
And just like the Hebrews who cried to the Lord because Pharaoh would not give them rest..
This world today, is doing the same thing. all work and no rest, grinding, grinding, to make money for the boss.

We need to FOCUS.
or we will be caught off guard. And blessed are they whom the lord shall find doing, when he comes.

1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

FOCUS..

HUGS

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The act of legitimate discourse ( arguing even up to a heated one) is a part of the process. It doesn't become "wrong" until people refuse to acknowledge a truth because it doesn't fit their worldview or they started with an agenda to begin with.

There is also a legitimate point that often God's worst enemies are his own people. We as individuals and a collective don't do the best job of promoting the word.

All that being true, it doesn't excuse us from the mandate to try as we are called.

Very small consolation. Nevertheless, better than nothing.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)

The difference between some like myself and others not like myself but they must be better than me.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

@JunChosen
@robert derrick

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@ReChoired
@GerhardEbersoehn
@Ziggy
@GEN2REV
@An Apologetic Sheepdog

For far too many Christians, the question is always "What must I do to be saved?"

This is just selfishness.

The main question should be:

"How can I best cooperate with God in dissolving the great controversy between Christ and Satan?"

Thoughts? (Dare I ask?)

A 'question' impossible once FREE GRACE has taken over FREE WILL.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I don't understand your post. The first sentence makes no sense at all to me. In the 2nd, you have directly contradicted yourself, my friend. :)
Perhaps you are using hyperbole.

Language cannot be plainer: I do not believe <heaven> or in 'heaven' or <heaven will welcome> any, ever. Heaven is where God is on His Throne; where God is on His Throne is not heaven. You see, I'm neither SDA nor RC. I believe God so loved THIS WORLD that He gave his Only-begotten Son.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

But he says it is heaven and then he says it isn't.

That's right.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

keeping the Jew's sabbath IS... against Christian doctrine per Colossians 2.

Absolutely! Never have I agreed with someone in his error more!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

keeping the Jew's sabbath IS... against Christian doctrine per Colossians 2.

Colossians doesn't have <<the Jews' sabbath>> in mind or in word, but, literally and precisely, "Sabbath's Feast OF CHRIST" God's "two-edged Sword of his Word SET APART" from everything else, just READ Exodus 20 and Deuteronmy 5 and Hebrews 4 and you will SEE!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Read the Acts 20 Scripture I posted, as written. What else do you think it means when the early disciples came together on the first day of the week (Sunday) to break bread?

Reading some new quasi translations yes. But the real translation looks quite different and means quite different! So it's better if you read CORRECTLY, ACCURATELY, LITERALLY, "after before having been assembling together, the disciples having been assembling together STILL on the First Day of the week, Paul spoke with them until midnight..." AFTER THE SABBATH of course! during which Sabbath before the First Day of the week the disciples AT FIRST had had started with their "assembling together" PERFECT PARTICIPLE - no finite Indicative Verb <they gathered together>!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You well know that the "first day of the week" ALWAYS means Sunday, and not the Hebrew sabbath that ended on Saturday at sunset!

Good! Only don't replace the Perfect Participle of 2 aspects, before and present, with a FALSE INTENTIONAL DECEIVING Verb in English Past or Present Continuous Tense. It is the work of the little horn with his big mouth Antichrist.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The same day God rested is the same day Jesus was in the grave...

The same day God rested is the same day Jesus was in the grave... Yes, "ON THE SABBTH". By the same ACT "God rested" the same "day the Seventh Day Sabbath-Rest-Day OF THE LORD GOD", "God rested", "BY THE SON". By the same ACT "God RAISED Christ from the dead" : "according to the Scriptures", "THE THIRD DAY HE SAID HE WOULD RISE" -- all the way it is Written ... "ON THE SABATH".