Psalm 74, A Psalm for the coming tribulations

[Timtofly]

The sons of God are being revealed (Born) The Birth is a Picture of the rapture.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. (Romans 8:19)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:52)
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 4:2-3)
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Daniel 12:2-3)
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. (Daniel 7:21-22)

The physical part was birthed at the Cross. Souls left Abraham's bosom and were given incorruptible bodies in Paradise. Each time a soul leaves this body and arrives in Paradise, they recieve a permanent incorruptible body. 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:"

That is only one part of being restored, this "birthing" metaphor. All the church is in incorruptible bodies now in Paradise. They await the Second Coming to be glorified, the joining of the spirit to the physical body. This final step is the 5th Seal.

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

This is John's view from Paradise of Paul's view:

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Those alive on earth will join those alive in Paradise who were just glorified in the 5th Seal. The church will be presented to God complete. The Birth of the church complete.

But the earth will still be groaning while the GT is ongoing until all of Adam's flesh and blood have been harvested from these corruptible bodies.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Just read this as I was having trouble sleeping. I was thinking about how near we are to the Great tribulation and so many are unaware, lost, or consumed by the cares of this world to notice how close we are. I Picked up my Bible and read this and immediately I Knew this was a prayer for these times we are living in. Read the words with that in mind....


74 O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture?

2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

3 Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations; even all that the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary.

4 Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs.

5 A man was famous according as he had lifted up axes upon the thick trees.

6 But now they break down the carved work thereof at once with axes and hammers.

7 They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground.

8 They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land.

9 We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long.

10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

11 Why withdrawest thou thy hand, even thy right hand? pluck it out of thy bosom.

12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.

13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.

14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

15 Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers.

16 The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun.

17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter.

18 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O Lord, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name.

19 O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever.

20 Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty.

21 O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.

22 Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.

23 Forget not the voice of thine enemies: the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually.

Lamentations is definitely inspired and God definitely doesn't change.

 

[michaelvpardo]

The sons of God are being revealed (Born) The Birth is a Picture of the rapture.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. (Romans 8:19)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:52)
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 4:2-3)
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Daniel 12:2-3)
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. (Daniel 7:21-22)

I don't see "the rapture" in any of those verses, but the first resurrection is what it is and I don't see anything in scripture to prove that the remnant of the nations is "Christian." Scripture suggests that the body of Christ is not the remnant, but governs the remnant, and in much the same way as the host of heaven ruled over the Earth before the resurrection of our Lord and His inheritance of all authority.
The Apostles are supposed to judge the twelve tribes of Israel in the resurrection and I'm confident that this refers to either the remnant of Israel or a complete resurrection of Israel during the millennium. I'm inclined to believe the former before the latter, because it's more consistent with God's word, but that doesn't rule out the exceptional happening during the millennium. It does represent life with an inverted authority structure and the kingdom of heaven upon Earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

complete resurrection of Israel during the millennium. I'm inclined to believe the former before the latter, because it's more consistent with God's word, but that doesn't rule out the exceptional happening during the millennium. It does represent life with an inverted authority structure and the kingdom of heaven upon Earth.

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[michaelvpardo]

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Just because you say something over and over again, that doesn't qualify it as truth. All it does is make you someone who ignores Christianity boards forum rules, though I understand the idea of pushing your opinion on other people. That's how Joseph Goebbels convinced a predominantly "Christian " country that it was okay to round up over 6 million Jews, Christian dissidents, gypsies and others deemed inferior, and put them in "labor " camps.
I hate to tell you this, but you're not the Holy Spirit, even if He dwells in you and it isn't in man to convince of truth or convict of sin. Good luck with that though and God bless your soul for your efforts.

 

[Truth7t7]

Just because you say something over and over again, that doesn't qualify it as truth. All it does is make you someone who ignores Christianity boards forum rules, though I understand the idea of pushing your opinion on other people. That's how Joseph Goebbels convinced a predominantly "Christian " country that it was okay to round up over 6 million Jews, Christian dissidents, gypsies and others deemed inferior, and put them in "labor " camps.
I hate to tell you this, but you're not the Holy Spirit, even if He dwells in you and it isn't in man to convince of truth or convict of sin. Good luck with that though and God bless your soul for your efforts.

Just because a person states (The Millennium) over and over again doesn't make it true?

 

[David H.]

I don't see "the rapture" in any of those verses, but the first resurrection is what it is and I don't see anything in scripture to prove that the remnant of the nations is "Christian." Scripture suggests that the body of Christ is not the remnant, but governs the remnant, and in much the same way as the host of heaven ruled over the Earth before the resurrection of our Lord and His inheritance of all authority.
The Apostles are supposed to judge the twelve tribes of Israel in the resurrection and I'm confident that this refers to either the remnant of Israel or a complete resurrection of Israel during the millennium. I'm inclined to believe the former before the latter, because it's more consistent with God's word, but that doesn't rule out the exceptional happening during the millennium. It does represent life with an inverted authority structure and the kingdom of heaven upon Earth.

I see the first resurrection and the rapture as the same thing. This is a timing thing for me. There are two resurrections only Spoken of One at the day of Christ, the other at the end of the millennium.

The rest of your comment i agree with.

 

[Truth7t7]

I see the first resurrection and the rapture as the same thing. This is a timing thing for me. There are two resurrections only Spoken of One at the day of Christ, the other at the end of the millennium.

The rest of your comment i agree with.

There Is One Future Resurrection Of All,This Takes Place At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ On (The Last Day)

There Will Be No Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving The Heavens And Earth By Fire

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I see the first resurrection and the rapture as the same thing. This is a timing thing for me. There are two resurrections only Spoken of One at the day of Christ, the other at the end of the millennium.

The rest of your comment i agree with.

True enough, but while there are explicit passages about the 1st and 2nd resurrection, there is really only one verse in scripture that makes a promise to keep any Christians from "the hour of trial" to come.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth Revelation 3:10
The verse itself says nothing about a "rapture" or the resurrection, is only addressed to one church out of 7, based upon performance, and doesn't disqualify the other 6.
The popular use of the word rapture in christian culture is applied to a more qualified doctrine, where only "true Christians " are spared the temptations of the tribulation, and belief in this strange doctrine appears to qualify the get out of tribulation free card. Such doctrines are usually referred to as gnostic because they present secret knowledge required for salvation, but gnostic doctrines are considered heresy because they imply that God's intent is to destroy men, not save them.

 

[Truth7t7]

True enough, but while there are explicit passages about the 1st and 2nd resurrection, there is really only one verse in scripture that makes a promise to keep any Christians from "the hour of trial" to come.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth Revelation 3:10
The verse itself says nothing about a "rapture" or the resurrection, is only addressed to one church out of 7, based upon performance, and doesn't disqualify the other 6.
The popular use of the word rapture in christian culture is applied to a more qualified doctrine, where only "true Christians " are spared the temptations of the tribulation, and belief in this strange doctrine appears to qualify the get out of tribulation free card. Such doctrines are usually referred to as gnostic because they present secret knowledge required for salvation, but gnostic doctrines are considered heresy because they imply that God's intent is to destroy men, not save them.

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

there is really only one verse in scripture that makes a promise to keep any Christians from "the hour of trial" to come.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth Revelation 3:10
The verse itself says nothing about a "rapture" or the resurrection, is only addressed to one church out of 7, based upon performance, and doesn't disqualify the other 6.
The popular use of the word rapture in christian culture is applied to a more qualified doctrine, where only "true Christians " are spared the temptations of the tribulation, and belief in this strange doctrine appears to qualify the get out of tribulation free card. Such doctrines are usually referred to as gnostic because they present secret knowledge required for salvation, but gnostic doctrines are considered heresy because they imply that God's intent is to destroy men, not save them.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

[David H.]

True enough, but while there are explicit passages about the 1st and 2nd resurrection, there is really only one verse in scripture that makes a promise to keep any Christians from "the hour of trial" to come.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth Revelation 3:10
The verse itself says nothing about a "rapture" or the resurrection, is only addressed to one church out of 7, based upon performance, and doesn't disqualify the other 6.
The popular use of the word rapture in christian culture is applied to a more qualified doctrine, where only "true Christians " are spared the temptations of the tribulation, and belief in this strange doctrine appears to qualify the get out of tribulation free card. Such doctrines are usually referred to as gnostic because they present secret knowledge required for salvation, but gnostic doctrines are considered heresy because they imply that God's intent is to destroy men, not save them.

I see the rapture/ 1st resurrection as one in the same. I see this occurring at the Last trumpet, and it is pre-wrath of God. The church IMO will face the great tribulation, the Mark of the beast and the wrath of Satan. They will see the abomination of desolation, and the falling away, But a segment of the church the faithful will be protected in the wilderness while the saints face the persecution of The beast. IMO we are nearing this time in this world right now, God is working to perfect the saints and ready them to give their testimony. (Revelation 12:11, Luke 21:12-19)

 

[Truth7t7]

I see the rapture/ 1st resurrection as one in the same. I see this occurring at the Last trumpet, and it is pre-wrath of God. The church IMO will face the great tribulation, the Mark of the beast and the wrath of Satan. They will see the abomination of desolation, and the falling away, But a segment of the church the faithful will be protected in the wilderness while the saints face the persecution of The beast. IMO we are nearing this time in this world right now, God is working to perfect the saints and ready them to give their testimony. (Revelation 12:11, Luke 21:12-19)

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[David H.]

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

You are correct on this.

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation,

The two witnesses will dominate the entire Great tribulation Their 3.5 years will coincide with the beasts 3.5 year rule and they will be plagues. The Purpose of Plagues and tribulation is to lead to repentance, it is God being merciful to the people that they escape His coming Wrath.

 

[Timtofly]

True enough, but while there are explicit passages about the 1st and 2nd resurrection, there is really only one verse in scripture that makes a promise to keep any Christians from "the hour of trial" to come.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth Revelation 3:10
The verse itself says nothing about a "rapture" or the resurrection, is only addressed to one church out of 7, based upon performance, and doesn't disqualify the other 6.
The popular use of the word rapture in christian culture is applied to a more qualified doctrine, where only "true Christians " are spared the temptations of the tribulation, and belief in this strange doctrine appears to qualify the get out of tribulation free card. Such doctrines are usually referred to as gnostic because they present secret knowledge required for salvation, but gnostic doctrines are considered heresy because they imply that God's intent is to destroy men, not save them.

What ever happened to Christ at His appearing presents the church as a complete and whole glorified bride? How do those alive on earth join those alive in Paradise?

It is the Second Coming itself connected to the trib. The rapture is connected to the Second Coming. Removing the rapture from the Second Coming and applying it to the trib, is false doctrine.

 

[Timtofly]

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

How do you reconcile this thousand years between your "same day" and God's Word?

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,"

 

[michaelvpardo]

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Sorry, this is just heresy.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I see the rapture/ 1st resurrection as one in the same. I see this occurring at the Last trumpet, and it is pre-wrath of God. The church IMO will face the great tribulation, the Mark of the beast and the wrath of Satan. They will see the abomination of desolation, and the falling away, But a segment of the church the faithful will be protected in the wilderness while the saints face the persecution of The beast. IMO we are nearing this time in this world right now, God is working to perfect the saints and ready them to give their testimony. (Revelation 12:11, Luke 21:12-19)

Well, since the first resurrection is supposed to occur at the defeat of the antichrist, then what you're talking about is usually referred to as mid tribulation. Most Christians consider the persecutions under the antichrist and the natural catastrophes that occur during his reign as part of God's wrath.

 

[michaelvpardo]

What ever happened to Christ at His appearing presents the church as a complete and whole glorified bride? How do those alive on earth join those alive in Paradise?

It is the Second Coming itself connected to the trib. The rapture is connected to the Second Coming. Removing the rapture from the Second Coming and applying it to the trib, is false doctrine.

There is no rapture in scripture. The gathering together of the saints occurs at the 1st resurrection. That's what scripture actually says. That's why the living saints do not precede the dead ones at the first resurrection and why the first resurrection doesn't happen until the defeat of the antichrist. All the saints are gathered together at one time. The idea of a separate class of "tribulation saints" denies the plain meaning of scripture and is pure antisemitic fantasy.

 

[David H.]

Well, since the first resurrection is supposed to occur at the defeat of the antichrist, then what you're talking about is usually referred to as mid tribulation. Most Christians consider the persecutions under the antichrist and the natural catastrophes that occur during his reign as part of God's wrath.

Correct, the Beast rules for the first half of the week, this is the great tribulation and the wrath of Satan. I Know that most place the abomination and the GT in the middle of the week and as the last half of the final week.