The problem with the thousand years?

[Marty fox]

The problem with the thousand is that most people don’t understand that there are two different sets of thousand years. There is the thousand year binding and there is the thousand year reigning.

Jesus doesn’t reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God

More to come

 

[Marty fox]

In revelation chapter 20 when does the thousand year binding end?

When does the thousand year reigning end?

 

[Truth7t7]

When does the thousand year binding end?

When does the thousand year reigning end?

1. Satan is loosed at the pouring of the 6th vial as seen in Revelation 16:12

2. Jesus reigns eternally, thousand years in Revelation 20:4-6 isnt literal, but represents the Lords eternal spiritual, where one day is a thousand years, showing God is outside of time

 

[Marty fox]

1. Satan is loosed at the pouring of the 6th vial as seen in Revelation 16:12

2. Jesus reigns eternally, thousand years in Revelation 20:4-6 isnt literal, but represents the Lords eternal spiritual, where one day is a thousand years, showing God is outside of time

Sorry I should of been more accurate I meant in Revelation chapter 20

 

[Zao is life]

In revelation chapter 20 when does the thousand year binding end?

When does the thousand year reigning end?

I hope it's alright if I ask a different question before answering your question at the bottom of this post, which will come after the scriptures quoted below (which I'm quoting while deliberately not saying where they are found in the Bible):-

"I will declare the decree of the LORD. He has said to Me, You are My Son; today I have begotten You.Ask of Me, and I shall give the nations for Your inheritance; and the uttermost parts of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."

"The kingdoms of this world (Greek: O kósmos) have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ. And He will reign forever and ever."

"My kingdom is not of this world (O kósmos). If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would fight so that I might not be delivered to the Jews. But now (Greek: nŷn) My kingdom is not from here."

[*StrongsGreek*] 03568 νῦν nŷn, noon
a primary particle of present time; "now" (as adverb of date, a transition or emphasis); also as noun or adjective present or immediate:--henceforth, + hereafter, of late, soon, present, this (time).

"You have subjected all things under his feet." For in order that He put all things under him, He did not leave anything not subjected. But now (Greek: nŷn) we do not see all things having been put under him."

"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God comes not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when all of you shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and all of you shall not see it."
"I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you. Yet a little while and the world does not see Me any more. But you see Me. Because I live, you shall live also. At that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."

MY QUESTION, BASED ON THE ABOVE

When did the kingdoms of this world (O kósmos) become the kingdoms of Christ?

Please note that the motive for my question is not to challenge your position, but to learn how you view the above scriptures and the kingdoms of this world.

MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION

The thousand year reigning does not end. Jesus doesn't reign only for a thousand years.

The thousand year binding ends.

But I want to know When did the kingdoms of this world (O kósmos) become the kingdoms of Christ.

 

[Curtis]

The problem with the thousand is that most people don’t understand that there are two different sets of thousand years. There is the thousand year binding and there is the thousand year reigning.

Jesus doesn’t reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God

More to come

The binding of Satan is so the world and all the host of heaven will be shown the difference between the world with Satan as it’s god, and the world with Jesus ruling it. This lesson goes on for a thousand years.

The two occur concurrently (at the same time).

 

[Curtis]

1. Satan is loosed at the pouring of the 6th vial as seen in Revelation 16:12

2. Jesus reigns eternally, thousand years in Revelation 20:4-6 isnt literal, but represents the Lords eternal spiritual, where one day is a thousand years, showing God is outside of time

The entire church took k it literally for three centuries, which is the obvious way to take it.

That’s because it is literal. It’s mentioned four times in chapter twenty so that the fact of it can sink in.

 

[marks]

The problem with the thousand is that most people don’t understand that there are two different sets of thousand years. There is the thousand year binding and there is the thousand year reigning.

Jesus doesn’t reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God

More to come

You then don't see these two 1000 years as overlapping?

I do of course agree that Satan bound or not, Jesus is still omnipotent God.

I think that this 1000 years is the measure of time when Jesus rules an earthly kingdom, this earth, before the judgment of Man, and the new creation.

Just rechecked . . .

Revelation 20:7 KJV
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

It seems to me that the 1000 years that Jesus rules and the 1000 years that Satan is bound are the same 1000 years. After the 1000 years ends, Satan is released, deceives the nations, and all are destroyed who rebel against Jesus.

Much love!

 

[Zao is life]

The binding of Satan is so the world and all the host of heaven will be shown the difference between the world with Satan as it’s god, and the world with Jesus ruling it. This lesson goes on for a thousand years.

The two occur concurrently (at the same time).

I think rather that it has everything to do with the fact that God made Adam to have dominion under God's authroity in God's earth. But right now the god of this world is still Satan.

Psalm 8
3 When I look at Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars which You have established;
4 what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?
5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and have crowned him with glory and honor.
6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet:
7 all sheep and oxen, yes, and the beasts of the field;
8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, and all that pass through the paths of the seas.

Genesis 1
26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.
27 And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.
28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. And have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heavens, and all animals that move upon the earth.

Those who follow the rebellion after they have seen what the world looks like after a thousand years of Christ's reign on the earth, unhindered by Satan, will receive this penalty:

John 3
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
15 And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

That sentence has already been decreed, because the world has already been judged and found guilty:

John 12
31 Now is the judgment of this world. Now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself.

Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Truth7t7]

You then don't see these two 1000 years as overlapping?

I do of course agree that Satan bound or not, Jesus is still omnipotent God.

I think that this 1000 years is the measure of time when Jesus rules an earthly kingdom, this earth, before the judgment of Man, and the new creation.

Just rechecked . . .

Revelation 20:7 KJV
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

It seems to me that the 1000 years that Jesus rules and the 1000 years that Satan is bound are the same 1000 years. After the 1000 years ends, Satan is released, deceives the nations, and all are destroyed who rebel against Jesus.

Much love!

Your response is the standard teaching in dispensationalism

 

[marks]

Your response is the standard teaching in dispensationalism

Is that so?

I'm just taking the information from the chapter in the Bible, myself.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

Is that so?

I'm just taking the information from the chapter in the Bible, myself.

Much love!

You claim to have never read a commentary of man regarding dispensationalism?

 

[marks]

You claim to have never read a commentary of man regarding dispensationalism?

I've read a number of commentaries from a number of perspectives. However, I'm posting based on the what the Bible itself says.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

I've read a number of commentaries from a number of perspectives. However, I'm posting based on the what the Bible itself says.

Much love!

You follow the standard, you have read commentaries of man regarding dispensationalism, and you believe and teach what you have read, you believe it's teaching are found in scripture, just as every other follower of this teaching

Just a few questions, and we solved the big mystery

 

[marks]

You follow the standard, you have read commentaries of man regarding dispensationalism, and you believe and teach what you have read, you believe it's teaching are found in scripture, just as every other follower of this teaching

Just a few questions, and we solved the big mystery

Well, I'm glad you were able to pigeonhole me so quickly, and so much to your satisfaction!



Much love!

 

[marks]

You follow the standard, you have read commentaries of man regarding dispensationalism, and you believe and teach what you have read, you believe it's teaching are found in scripture, just as every other follower of this teaching

Just a few questions, and we solved the big mystery

Just to review . . . mind you, no comment from me . . . Just the Bible . . .

Revelation 20:1-10 KJV
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

Just to review . . . mind you, no comment from me . . . Just the Bible . . .

Revelation 20:1-10 KJV
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Much love!

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[marks]

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven,

To where?

I might wonder . . .

Much love!

 

[marks]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth,

Of course it is. Show where it's somewhere else.

From heaven . . . to . . . to . . . where . . . ? Where could it be?

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

To where?

I might wonder . . .

Much love!

The Angel of the 6th vial has the spirit being satan bound upon earth from gathering the nations to battle,

Mark's you cant squeeze a Millennial Kingdom on this earth out of Revelation 20:1-6, with a literal kingdom and mortal humans present, it's a man made fairy tale and you know it