Judgement Day in May?

[whirlwind]

Whirlwind,

The temple that Butch was referring to was the 'Tribulational Temple' in which the the Abomination of Desolation occurs.

Dan 9:27 [sup]27[/sup] He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The King James has no mention of the temple. I must tell you, I would NEVER use the NIV. You have just seen one of the many reasons....

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

This is the same Abomination of Desolation that Jesus spoke of.


Matt 24:15 [sup]15[/sup] “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[sup][a][/sup] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Joshua David

The KJV, which has a similar translation in this case to the NIV is....


Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


In my previous post I quoted, "for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are," so what is the holy place in which the abomination stands? Was there any mention of a literal temple?



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[studythebible]

I'm a bit of a skeptic, but...

There are several organizations who report that May 21 2011 will be the Day of Judgement when Jesus returns to Earth for the Rapture. I'm not completely sold on the idea, but am curious to get YOUR input.

http://JudgementDay2011.com

This is my favorite of all these sites, because the blogger stays current and talks about things currently going on in the world, and how they relate to Judgement Day 2011. At the same time, the blogger seems a tad nutty ;-).

What are your thoughts on the date, and on this site? Post it on facebook for your friends to give insight too! Thanks for your help!

http://JudgementDay2011.com

Here are a few verses from the bible regarding the date and end.....

Matthew 24:36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

So therefore it will be impossible for us to know a date, because if we knew the exact date it makes this verse and many like it a lie. (Hebrews 6:18- in order that, through two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie..)

However like the disciples in Jesus day, we can know the signs of the last days.

Matthew 24:3-14 - While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” 4 And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. 9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

This is infact the time we are living in now

Also at
Habakkuk 2:3 For [the] vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.

 

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I'm a bit of a skeptic, but...

There are several organizations who report that May 21 2011 will be the Day of Judgement when Jesus returns to Earth for the Rapture. I'm not completely sold on the idea, but am curious to get YOUR input.

http://JudgementDay2011.com

This is my favorite of all these sites, because the blogger stays current and talks about things currently going on in the world, and how they relate to Judgement Day 2011. At the same time, the blogger seems a tad nutty ;-).

What are your thoughts on the date, and on this site? Post it on facebook for your friends to give insight too! Thanks for your help!

http://JudgementDay2011.com

Why are you paying ANY attention to this garbage? Read the posts of believers that followed this remark. They are almost universally opposed to the idea.
Do you want to learn about Jesus second coming? Study the Bible. That is the best documentation I know.


Let's make a deal here. I'll pay you five hundred dollars if Jesus returns on May 21, 2011.

If He doesn't, then you pay me. I think that's fair don't you?

If Jesus returns I won't need the money anyway and I'll consider it part of the celebration. If He doesn't return then you'll be eating your own words.

Put your money where your mouth is. Everyone here is witness to my part of the bet. Any other takers? hmmmmm

 

[veteran]

I have to agree with those against that date setting for Christ's return too. That idea is part of some of the Pre-Trib school, since some in that school long ago presented ideas that Christ could come at any moment. Because of that type of thinking, it earned the title of the 'Any Moment Doctrine'.

Our Lord did give us events to be watching that lead all the way up to His return. He also gave summer as the symbolic time of harvest for the figs. God's Word uses many agricultural events as symbols for great truths in His Word. I believe the fig parable is one of them for the end.

The "untimely figs" reference in the 6th Seal points to the idea of a too early fig harvest because of the winter fig. The winter fig grows in the winter and becomes rip too early and falls off in the Spring.

Rev 6:12-13
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
(KJV)

The Greek word for "untimely" refers to an early unripe fig that grows in the winter but falls off in the spring. In the things our Lord showed to be watching He said to pray that your flight be not in 'winter'. I think that was a Message which goes along with the fig parable He was giving.

And especially take note what event is linked with the time of those "untimely figs". What type of event is that stars falling from heaven down to the earth about in relation to Satan and his host of angels? In Revelation 12:4 we are told the red dragon "...drew the third of stars of heaven, and did cast them down to the earth:". That waas about Satan's original rebellion with his angels. Later in that same Revelation 12 chapter, we are shown Satan and his angels being cast our of heaven down to the earth, and a 'woe' is given to people who are on the earth.

To summarize this idea: the time of Christ's return involves a symbolic harvest aligned with the time of summer harvest, not in the spring. But a fake harvest of souls could be attempted by Satan and his angels as "untimely figs" in spring. So if there is a 'rapture' to happen in spring, it would fit the time of an early harvest as untimely figs. The idea is that we are to remain faithful to Christ in waiting for His coming, AFTER the working of the fake Christ who comes first.

But could the Pre-Trib school be preparing their congregations to accept the first harvest, an early harvest to the "untimely figs"? If that idea of a rapture in May is from them, then it would appear so. I don't recommend those in Christ taking part in that, even if supernatural events are associated with it.

 

[scpro]

Why are you paying ANY attention to this garbage? Read the posts of believers that followed this remark. They are almost universally opposed to the idea.
Do you want to learn about Jesus second coming? Study the Bible. That is the best documentation I know.


Let's make a deal here. I'll pay you five hundred dollars if Jesus returns on May 21, 2011.

If He doesn't, then you pay me. I think that's fair don't you?

If Jesus returns I won't need the money anyway and I'll consider it part of the celebration. If He doesn't return then you'll be eating your own words.

Put your money where your mouth is. Everyone here is witness to my part of the bet. Any other takers? hmmmmm

Done and done - but how are you gonna collect from me when I'm in Heaven and you're on earth?

 

[Duckybill]

Things certainly seem to be heating up, dont' they? I would say they probably thought the same thing during any number of previous world events; world war 1 &2, chernoybl etc. But the thing I think makes today different is the fact that Israel is a nation again...it kind of changes the playing field, don't you think?

Exactly!!!

 

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Done and done - but how are you gonna collect from me when I'm in Heaven and you're on earth?

I will expect a check from you on May 22nd. I'm not kidding either.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

Done and done - but how are you gonna collect from me when I'm in Heaven and you're on earth?

Well, considering there's no such thing as rapture, it wont be hard.

 

[Duckybill]

Well, considering there's no such thing as rapture, it wont be hard.

What would you call this?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [sup]17 [/sup]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 

[whitestone]

What would you call this?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [sup]17 [/sup]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

I've heard the term 'rapture' used for this verse before, though I don't know why.

I've been caught up into heavenly places in Christ. My salvation has been of awesome magnitude, a heralding of trumpet blasts would be an understatement to describe my meeting Christ in the clouds of witnesses. He is always with me and I with Him. I am alive and remain. I am not a dead wandering star... All of scriptures speaks of our relationship now with Christ coming to us and saving us.

... that is how I understand that verse.

What does the "rapture" theory say it is? Something futuristic on a calendar day yet to come still some say?

 

[Duckybill]

I've been caught up into heavenly places in Christ. My salvation has been of awesome magnitude, a heralding of trumpet blasts would be an understatement to describe my meeting Christ in the clouds of witnesses. He is always with me and I with Him. I am alive and remain. I am not a dead wandering star... All of scriptures speaks of our relationship now with Christ coming to us and saving us.

... that is how I understand that verse.

What does the "rapture" theory say it is? Something futuristic on a calendar day yet to come still some say?

There is no reason to not believe that this is a literal future event. Call it whatever you like. It is perfectly clear.

 

[whitestone]

There is no reason to not believe that this is a literal future event. Call it whatever you like. It is perfectly clear.

I don't blindly believe anything. What I posted is perfectly clear to me.

But the words "literal future event" don't quote any scriptures, so no, that statement isn't "perfectly clear" from scriptures. I don't "add to" the Word of God.

Here is my hope of what the future brings, and it is only going to occur when this flesh and blood body I inhabit ceases to breath;

(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

(1Co 15:54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

That is what MY future contains :) Everything else has been fulfilled per the Word of God.

(Luk 21:32) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

(Act 3:18) But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

(Act 13:29) And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

(Act 13:33) God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

 

[Duckybill]

I don't blindly believe anything. What I posted is perfectly clear to me.

But the words "literal future event" don't quote any scriptures, so no, that statement isn't "perfectly clear" from scriptures. I don't "add to" the Word of God.

It is future, unless YOU believe it has already happened, which would be nonsense.

Here is my hope of what the future brings, and it is only going to occur when this flesh and blood body I inhabit ceases to breath;

(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

(1Co 15:54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

That is what MY future contains :) Everything else has been fulfilled per the Word of God.

(Luk 21:32) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

(Act 3:18) But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

(Act 13:29) And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

(Act 13:33) God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Here's what I look forward to:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [sup]17 [/sup]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 

[Duckybill]

Titus 2:11-13 (NKJV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, [sup]12 [/sup]teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, [sup]13 [/sup]looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,



Hebrews 9:28 (NKJV)
[sup]28[/sup] To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

 

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Well, considering there's no such thing as rapture, it wont be hard.

Well now, we are in agreement on one thing. Are we on a roll or what?

 

[whitestone]

Titus 2:11-13 (NKJV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, [sup]12 [/sup]teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, [sup]13 [/sup]looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,



Hebrews 9:28 (NKJV)
[sup]28[/sup] To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Great scriptures. I love them and this hope. It has nothing to do with a "rapture theory" though.

 

[martinlawrencescott]

Matthew 24Verily [sup]281[/sup] I say [sup]3004[/sup] unto you [sup]5213[/sup], This [sup]3778[/sup] generation [sup]1074[/sup] shall not [sup]3364[/sup] pass [sup]3928[/sup] , till [sup]302[/sup] [sup]2193[/sup] all [sup]3956[/sup] these things [sup]5023[/sup] be fulfilled [sup]1096[/sup] .

There are a number of events that signify the age all this will happen (it will happen in the age we are living in now). As to the specific generation this all will happen, once the specific events described in this chapter start to occur, all the rest of the events will unfold within one generation (within time span of 40 yearsish which was average lifespan back then?) It is clear that the end is near, but it will be clearer to the generation these final events occur that that is in fact the generation all those events are indeed occurring. I guess I feel we are towards the end of "The beginnings of Sorrows", and we will be until the end comes.

 

[lawrance]

Why do people look forward to this day.
I know a rapture pusher who hopes and prays for it and also said he is angry at God for not bring it on at his demand.

Amos warns us that our longing for the day of the lord as it's only an expression of our own arrogance and self centeredness.
Should we despair of God working in our present history and long for him to come and destroy all the bad people.

 

[Duckybill]

Why do people look forward to this day.

Because it will be a WONDERFUL time for those who are saved.

 

[Joshua David]

Well, I believe that the rapture will be pre-tribulation. And I do expect it to be this year, but if it is not, then I will continue to wait, and continue to study, and to do his will.

Joshua David