The Devil

[Alethos]

The Devil ​

Ever thought why it states the reason and purpose for Christ coming “into” the world was to "destroy" the devil and his works?

The question a Christian must ask is how could any kind of superhuman being be destroyed by the death or dying of Jesus Christ? Yet it is said that Christ shared human nature for the very purpose that "through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil" (Heb. 2:14). It is also written: "For “this” purpose was the Son of God manifested, that he might “destroy” the works of the devil" (1 John 3:8).

These passages make two facts very clear: (1) That the subject of the devil is vital to any understanding of the work of Christ; (2) that they cannot be reconciled with traditional views held. As we have found in recent discussions it is impossible to reconcile the death of Christ and the permanent death of the Devil.

First, then, how did the devil come into existence? Was it by the rebellion of an archangel who was in consequence expelled from heaven? Where do we read of this account which has for generations filled the minds of Christians.

Ultimately we are told to go back to the beginning where the tempter in the Garden of Eden is presented. Was this creature just an animal or something more insidious? A serpent possessing the power of speech is all that is presented in the Genesis record as we read Gen. 3:1 Gen1: 14; 2 Cor. 11:1-3).

"Lucifer, son of the morning", who, in the language of political metaphor, "fell from heaven", we know was the king of Babylon, a man who ruled the nations (Isa. 14:12,15,4,6,16,22, compare these verses and it is evident the true nature of Lucifer).

The "anointed cherub, corrupted by reason of his brightness", was the Prince of Tyre, a man (Ezek. 28:11-15, compared with verse Ezek 28:2).

The war in heaven, in which Michael prevailed over the great red dragon, and expelled him (Rev. 12:7), was a prophetic forecast in symbol of events to take place in the Roman Empire (Rev. 4:1; 17:9). The seven headed and ten-horned monster, labelled "the Devil and Satan", was the symbol of human antagonism, politically manifested in the earth. These passages in Revelation have long been used to establish the demonic being but the argument must need be established in the beginning for without foundation the supernatural being has no premise in these prophetical writings.

So how is the Devil applied?

In the first place, he is said to put people in prison (Rev 2:10). Judas was said to be one (John 6:70). Peter is addressed as Satan (Matt. 16:23). The women are advised not to be devils--the word is translated "slanderers", but in the original, it is the same as that translated devil (1 Tim. 3:11; Tit. 2:3). He is declared to have been the public persecutor of the saints (1 Pet. 5:8, 9). He is to be bruised under the feet of the saints shortly (Rom. 16:20). He is said to bind people with disease and death (Luke 13:16; Acts 10:38). Christ is declared to have destroyed him by submitting to death (Heb. 2:14).

All these allusions are brought into harmony by the view defined in the next paragraph.

"Satan" which is a Hebrew word, means adversary; "Devil", which is a Greek word, means false accuser, slanderer, or liar. Having these meanings, the words are used to Personify that which has proved man's great adversary and God's great slanderer in the history of the human race, namely, SIN, whether considered abstractly as a principle, or finding expression through a person, an institution, or the evil world as a whole.

These parallels should be carefully examined and not read over lightly:

"Sin bringeth forth death" (Jas.1:15) parallel with "The devil hath the power of death" (Heb. 2:14).

"He put away sin by the sacrifice of himself" (Heb. 9:26) parallel with "That through death he might destroy the devil" (Heb. 2:14).

"Why hast thou conceived this In thine heart" (Acts 5:4) parallel with "Why hath Satan filled thine heart?" (Acts 5:3).

"According to the course of this world" (Eph. 2 : 2) parallel with "According to the prince of the power of the air" (Eph. 2:2).

"The desires of the flesh and of the mind" (Eph. 2:3) parallel with "The spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2).

"Every man tempted is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed" (James 1:14) parallel with "Taken captive by the devil at his will" (2 Tim. 2:26).

"The children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2) parallel with "The children of the devil" (1 John 3:10).

"Put off the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts" (Eph. 4:22) parallel with "Stand against the wiles of the devil" (Eph. 6:11).

"Loved this present world" (2 Tim. 4:10) parallel with "The god of this world hath blinded their minds" (2 Cor. 4:4).

"Deliver us from this present evil world" (Gal. 1:4) parallel with "Deliver us from the evil one" (R.V. Matt. 6:13).

"The children of this world" (Luke 20:34) parallel with "The children of the wicked one" (Matt. 13:38).

"Overcome the world" (1 John 5:5) parallel with "Overcome the wicked one" (1 John 2:14).

"Keep himself unspotted from the world" (James 1:27) parallel with "Keep them from the evil one" (R.V. John 17:15).

"The lamb shall overcome them (the ten kings)" (Rev. 17:14) parallel with "He laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan" (Rev. 20:2).

The fact is that Jesus shared human nature so that he might conquer it. Overcoming its tendencies throughout his life, he completed his triumph by the sacrifice of himself in death, and was raised up to a new and incorruptible life. By sharing this life as he shared theirs, men may share in his victory over sin and death: and in that way Christ destroys both the devil and his works.

Alethos

 

[veteran]

Sorry Alethos, I can't let that result from such a resoning of The Scriptures pass.

God's Word declares the Devil as simply a title for Satan. We're also told in Rev.12:9 and 20:2 other of his titles, like that old serpent. In Rev.9:11 he is called the angel of the bottomless pit, and Abbadon in the Hebrew, Apollyon in the Greek. He has even more titles than those in God's Word. The Assyrian is another (per Isaiah 10 and 30).

In Ezekiel 28 with God calling him "the anointed cherub that covereth", that's how we can be certain there He was not actually talking about a flesh prince or king of Tyrus, but a Heavenly created 'cherub' that was anointed for to cover something, thatsomething pointing to God's Throne.

Thus God's Word is most definitely pointing to a real heavenly order entity with the Devil, or Satan, or that old serpent in Eden. That Devil is not sin itself, because in Ezekiel 28:15 God showed how at one time that cherub was once "perfect in his ways" (until he rebelled against God which was the beginning of sin). One should easily understand that difference there in Ezek.28, because we know the flesh prince and king of Tyrus of history never was in God's Garden of Eden like that cherub was per the Scripture. Moreover, the meaning of the name Tyrus means 'rock'. God uses the titles of prince and king of Tyrus as a symbol for Satan, since he is the little 'rock' compared to God as our True ROCK (Deut.32:31).

In Isaiah 14 where the KJV translators used the Latin 'Lucifer' as one of Satan's titles, they also put the alternate reading 'O day starre' in the margin of that verse in the original 1st edition Old English KJV Bible. It's because the Hebrew word there for Lucifer actually means 'morning star', a Title only of our Lord Jesus. The KJV translators didn't want anyone confusing Satan as our Lord Jesus. It's important to understand the context of what God is saying about the Devil in that Isaiah 14 Scripture. God is using Satan's own proclamation of how he said he will sit in God's Place and be like The Morning Star. God is actually using Satan's own words there to mock him. That's how that section of Isaiah 14 is to be read and understood. In the same sense of Ezek.28, God uses the title of the king of Babylon in pointing to Satan there in Isaiah 14 also. In essence, Satan is the ultimate king of confusion (Babylon is from the word 'babel' which means confusion).

In Ezek.31 God gives us yet another similiar parallel of flesh kings compared with Satan. The chapter starts off as a message to Pharaoh, then to the flesh king of ssyria; but then eventually, we learn it's a message about Satan himself once in God's Garden of Eden per Ezek.31:8-9.

The meaning of all this is how God is using flesh types, like Pharaoh, the kings of Assyria, kings of Babylon, etc., to point directly to Satan who wants to be The KING, GOD on His Throne. That's what Satan's original rebellion was about, coveting God's Throne , and is also what the flesh pagan kings of history were about in trying to usurp the throne of David on the earth which is ultimately reserved for our Lord Jesus Christ when He returns. (David's throne on earth is still present today, just not in the holy land; it's just that not that many of God's people are aware of it. Per 2 Sam.7 God promised David it would be established forever as the sun, to all generations.)


Many of today's pagans do not believe Satan is a real entity. They treat him as a 'force' only. That way, Satan can be anything they want to assign him as. That's simply their 'way' of downplaying the fear which God's Truth causes in their minds with the real entity Satan, and his future perishing in the lake of fire. It's their way of placing their focus upon the flesh instead of any idea of a future Kingdom of God.

 

[Alethos]

Sorry Alethos, I can't let that result from such a resoning of The Scriptures pass.

God's Word declares the Devil as simply a title for Satan. We're also told in Rev.12:9 and 20:2 other of his titles, like that old serpent. In Rev.9:11 he is called the angel of the bottomless pit, and Abbadon in the Hebrew, Apollyon in the Greek. He has even more titles than those in God's Word. The Assyrian is another (per Isaiah 10 and 30).

In Ezekiel 28 with God calling him "the anointed cherub that covereth", that's how we can be certain there He was not actually talking about a flesh prince or king of Tyrus, but a Heavenly created 'cherub' that was anointed for to cover something, thatsomething pointing to God's Throne.

Thus God's Word is most definitely pointing to a real heavenly order entity with the Devil, or Satan, or that old serpent in Eden. That Devil is not sin itself, because in Ezekiel 28:15 God showed how at one time that cherub was once "perfect in his ways" (until he rebelled against God which was the beginning of sin). One should easily understand that difference there in Ezek.28, because we know the flesh prince and king of Tyrus of history never was in God's Garden of Eden like that cherub was per the Scripture. Moreover, the meaning of the name Tyrus means 'rock'. God uses the titles of prince and king of Tyrus as a symbol for Satan, since he is the little 'rock' compared to God as our True ROCK (Deut.32:31).

In Isaiah 14 where the KJV translators used the Latin 'Lucifer' as one of Satan's titles, they also put the alternate reading 'O day starre' in the margin of that verse in the original 1st edition Old English KJV Bible. It's because the Hebrew word there for Lucifer actually means 'morning star', a Title only of our Lord Jesus. The KJV translators didn't want anyone confusing Satan as our Lord Jesus. It's important to understand the context of what God is saying about the Devil in that Isaiah 14 Scripture. God is using Satan's own proclamation of how he said he will sit in God's Place and be like The Morning Star. God is actually using Satan's own words there to mock him. That's how that section of Isaiah 14 is to be read and understood. In the same sense of Ezek.28, God uses the title of the king of Babylon in pointing to Satan there in Isaiah 14 also. In essence, Satan is the ultimate king of confusion (Babylon is from the word 'babel' which means confusion).

In Ezek.31 God gives us yet another similiar parallel of flesh kings compared with Satan. The chapter starts off as a message to Pharaoh, then to the flesh king of ssyria; but then eventually, we learn it's a message about Satan himself once in God's Garden of Eden per Ezek.31:8-9.

The meaning of all this is how God is using flesh types, like Pharaoh, the kings of Assyria, kings of Babylon, etc., to point directly to Satan who wants to be The KING, GOD on His Throne. That's what Satan's original rebellion was about, coveting God's Throne , and is also what the flesh pagan kings of history were about in trying to usurp the throne of David on the earth which is ultimately reserved for our Lord Jesus Christ when He returns. (David's throne on earth is still present today, just not in the holy land; it's just that not that many of God's people are aware of it. Per 2 Sam.7 God promised David it would be established forever as the sun, to all generations.)


Many of today's pagans do not believe Satan is a real entity. They treat him as a 'force' only. That way, Satan can be anything they want to assign him as. That's simply their 'way' of downplaying the fear which God's Truth causes in their minds with the real entity Satan, and his future perishing in the lake of fire. It's their way of placing their focus upon the flesh instead of any idea of a future Kingdom of God.

Veteran,

Would you be interested in looking more closely at your scriptual arguments?...only if you are willing?

I trust we can have a well mannered discussion on many of these passages. Its not uncommon for Christians to go to the end of the Bible to support thier belief in the supernatural demon, so I would be very keen to discuss these passages at lenght.

In the Masters service

Alethos.

Maybe you can start with explaining Heb 2:14 & 1 John 3:8

 

[Duckybill]

Who would be behind trying to disprove Satan's existence?

 

[Foreigner]

Exactly ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

 

[veteran]

Veteran,

Would you be interested in looking more closely at your scriptual arguments?...only if you are willing?

I trust we can have a well mannered discussion on many of these passages. Its not uncommon for Christians to go to the end of the Bible to support thier belief in the supernatural demon, so I would be very keen to discuss these passages at lenght.

In the Masters service

Alethos.

Maybe you can start with explaining Heb 2:14 & 1 John 3:8

I don't know where such a discussion would lead, because I cannot ever hold to a doctrine that the Devil is not a real entity.

In Hebrew 2:14, that's a declaration of how the devil was defeated by our Lord Jesus' crucifixion upon the cross. It also shows how the devil was given power of death. However, Ezek.28:18 revealed exactly how the devil's destruction would come...

Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
(KJV)

If the devil is not a real entity, then how will those see him destroyed by that fire while on the earth? Isaiah 30:33 refers to Tophet as a symbol for the future lake of fire event. Tophet was a place of infant sacrifice outside the gates of Jerusalem, and later a garbage pit. It is a befitting symbol for the future lake of fire event that will destroy the cherub Satan.

All that 1 John 3:8 is declaring, is the reason for our Lord Jesus' first coming to die on the cross was to destroy the devil and his works, same as Heb.2:14. Christ did that, it sealed the judgment against Satan. But that judgment has not come yet, as we're shown in Rev.20 it is after the end of Christ's future thousand years reign.

 

[Alethos]

I don't know where such a discussion would lead, because I cannot ever hold to a doctrine that the Devil is not a real entity.

In Hebrew 2:14, that's a declaration of how the devil was defeated by our Lord Jesus' crucifixion upon the cross. It also shows how the devil was given power of death. However, Ezek.28:18 revealed exactly how the devil's destruction would come...

Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
(KJV)

If the devil is not a real entity, then how will those see him destroyed by that fire while on the earth? Isaiah 30:33 refers to Tophet as a symbol for the future lake of fire event. Tophet was a place of infant sacrifice outside the gates of Jerusalem, and later a garbage pit. It is a befitting symbol for the future lake of fire event that will destroy the cherub Satan.

All that 1 John 3:8 is declaring, is the reason for our Lord Jesus' first coming to die on the cross was to destroy the devil and his works, same as Heb.2:14. Christ did that, it sealed the judgment against Satan. But that judgment has not come yet, as we're shown in Rev.20 it is after the end of Christ's future thousand years reign.

How then was the devil destroyed "through" the death of Jesus?

Alethos

 

[Duckybill]

How then was the devil destroyed "through" the death of Jesus?

He wasn't destroyed. He's a VERY religious fellow. And he's deceiving the vast majority, largely by religion.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (NKJV)
[sup]14 [/sup]For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. [sup]15 [/sup]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

[Alethos]

Exactly ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Heb 2:14 1 John 3:8 & 2 Peter 2:4

= a powerless disabled being, if you believe he is a real supernatural being.

Whats the alternative. Devil = Flesh, sin, wicked works etc.

Alethos

 

[veteran]

How then was the devil destroyed "through" the death of Jesus?

Alethos

Do you mean how was Satan's future destruction in the lake of fire sealed? Or are you thinking Satan should have been destroyed already, including death and sin with him today, literally?

Hebrews 2:14 reveals that the power of death was assigned to Satan. That shows Satan is the father of it. And it will perish with him, along with those who follow him and refuse Christ's Salvation. But have you not read when God told us Satan, death, the wicked, and the abode of hell will perish? It's simple to read about it in Rev.20:14-15. In God's timing, not ours.

So if you're trying to interpret Heb.2:14 in the sense that it means Satan should have been literally destroyed and no more at Christ's first coming, then you're simply choosing to leave out a lot of God's Word.


Acts 17:29-31
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by That Man Whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.
(KJV)

Starting in the Book of Genesis, Satan specifically attacked the Seed of the Woman that Christ was to born through to try and destroy it. That attack continued all the way down to Herod's day when Christ was born through Mary's womb. Haven't you ever wondered why Satan was trying to end the Seed of the Woman? It was to prevent Christ's birth, which would also be preventing God's Salvation being sealed through the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ. No crucifixion, then no Salvation. It's that simple. But God had already ordained it, and that was the cup our Lord Jesus prayed to The Father about the night before His crucifixion. Christ's death upon the cross is what sealed the coming cup of God's judgment upon this world, and God's judgment upon Satan, death, the wicked, and hell. That's what John 16:7-11 is about.

Another way to look at this is, since God originally created Satan as a good cherub before his rebellion, that means Satan was one of God's children He created. And since Christ Jesus is Immanuel, God with us in the flesh, Satan was guilty of murder against God Himself with the crucifixion. That especially put the blood guilt of Christ's Blood shed on the cross upon Satan and his servants, per God's law.

 

[veteran]

Heb 2:14 1 John 3:8 & 2 Peter 2:4

= a powerless disabled being, if you believe he is a real supernatural being.

Whats the alternative. Devil = Flesh, sin, wicked works etc.

Alethos

You might consider what DuckyBill said in quoting from 2 Cor.11 about Satan. Apostle Paul mentioned that about Satan's deception upon the deceived AFTER Christ's crucifixion had already happenned.

Our Heavenly Father has an appointed time for literal judgment and destruction of Satan, death, hell, and the wicked. We cannot just interpret verses like Heb.2:14 in isolation like no other later Scripture was written which gives it more meaning (like our Lord's Book of Revelation).

Who have you been listening to about this?

 

[Alethos]

You might consider what DuckyBill said in quoting from 2 Cor.11 about Satan. Apostle Paul mentioned that about Satan's deception upon the deceived AFTER Christ's crucifixion had already happenned.

Our Heavenly Father has an appointed time for literal judgment and destruction of Satan, death, hell, and the wicked. We cannot just interpret verses like Heb.2:14 in isolation like no other later Scripture was written which gives it more meaning (like our Lord's Book of Revelation).

Who have you been listening to about this?

2 Corinthians 11:14

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

How can Satan be transformed into an angel of light when it is taught that he was transformed from an angel of light because of his rebellion?

Makes absolutely no sense!

Lets assume your literal approach - your satan changes himself from a superantural dark being to an Angel in the Heavens for what reason? to decieve God? And that's possible? Whats the point of it transforming?

And you get this from reading 2 Corinthians 11:13-15?

Aspen are you seroius!

If you read the scripture in its context you will see its speaking to the Jewish rebels who were great adversaries of Paul throughout Asia Minor. In fact, you should know that often his adversaries had already arrived at his churches to spread falsehood. They were undermining the apostle Paul's influence in the Corinthian ecclesia. (2 Cor. 10:2 & 2 Cor 11:3-26).

As Paul said: "for such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

And no wonder for even Satan {the chief leader} disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his servants {misguided supporters} also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness." (2 Corin 11:13-15, R.S.V.).

Its speaking about people! in 2 Corinth 11:13 and then describes their ruler!

It jumps off the page its that obvious.

The same Satan is referred to in 2 Cor. 2:11: "Lest Satan (the adversary) should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."

Aspen, if you approach the subject with preconceived ideas these lessons will be lost on you, because like Ducky...he has made up his mind, it won’t change, his narrowed vision casts a shadow over the truth of these verses.

In terms of whom I am listening to? Well for the past 17 years I have been listening to the Father and His Son. I rarely read mans wisdom, nor consult the theories of the churches. You can quickly identify these philosophies, because the lack spiritual depth of understanding and rarely, if ever, are supported with multiple quotations.

Mans wisdom is assumptive and doesn’t open the Words but rather smoothers them with intellectual reasoning’s stooped in pagan doctrines.

It’s all about truth and pursuit of understanding. Read Proverbs 1-3

Ducky has stopped digging in God's mineshafts, the question is...

Have you?

Alethos

 

[Alethos]

Do you mean how was Satan's future destruction in the lake of fire sealed? Or are you thinking Satan should have been destroyed already, including death and sin with him today, literally?

Hebrews 2:14 reveals that the power of death was assigned to Satan. That shows Satan is the father of it. And it will perish with him, along with those who follow him and refuse Christ's Salvation. But have you not read when God told us Satan, death, the wicked, and the abode of hell will perish? It's simple to read about it in Rev.20:14-15. In God's timing, not ours.

So if you're trying to interpret Heb.2:14 in the sense that it means Satan should have been literally destroyed and no more at Christ's first coming, then you're simply choosing to leave out a lot of God's Word.


Acts 17:29-31
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by That Man Whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.
(KJV)

Starting in the Book of Genesis, Satan specifically attacked the Seed of the Woman that Christ was to born through to try and destroy it. That attack continued all the way down to Herod's day when Christ was born through Mary's womb. Haven't you ever wondered why Satan was trying to end the Seed of the Woman? It was to prevent Christ's birth, which would also be preventing God's Salvation being sealed through the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ. No crucifixion, then no Salvation. It's that simple. But God had already ordained it, and that was the cup our Lord Jesus prayed to The Father about the night before His crucifixion. Christ's death upon the cross is what sealed the coming cup of God's judgment upon this world, and God's judgment upon Satan, death, the wicked, and hell. That's what John 16:7-11 is about.

Another way to look at this is, since God originally created Satan as a good cherub before his rebellion, that means Satan was one of God's children He created. And since Christ Jesus is Immanuel, God with us in the flesh, Satan was guilty of murder against God Himself with the crucifixion. That especially put the blood guilt of Christ's Blood shed on the cross upon Satan and his servants, per God's law.

If Heb 2:14 is the supernatural devil, why was it necessary that Jesus should die to bring about his destruction? "He took part of flesh and blood, that THROUGH DEATH he might destroy him that hath the power of death, that is the devil". Why "through" death? If the devil is a being separate from mankind, what had the killing of flesh and blood on Calvary to do with the process of his destruction? If he were the strong, personal, active power of evil you all say he is, wouldn't it warrant strength, and not weakness, to slay him. Wouldn’t it require “the nature of angels," and not being of " the seed of Abraham," to enter into a successful battle with " the personal power of darkness." But Jesus destroys him being in the flesh, and submitted to death. Victory rewarded his efforts, and the devil was destroyed.

The question every Christian should ask "in what sense was the devil destroy on Calvary"

 

[veteran]

If Heb 2:14 is the supernatural devil, why was it necessary that Jesus should die to bring about his destruction? "He took part of flesh and blood, that THROUGH DEATH he might destroy him that hath the power of death, that is the devil". Why "through" death? If the devil is a being separate from mankind, what had the killing of flesh and blood on Calvary to do with the process of his destruction? If he were the strong, personal, active power of evil you all say he is, wouldn't it warrant strength, and not weakness, to slay him. Wouldn’t it require “the nature of angels," and not being of " the seed of Abraham," to enter into a successful battle with " the personal power of darkness." But Jesus destroys him being in the flesh, and submitted to death. Victory rewarded his efforts, and the devil was destroyed.

The question every Christian should ask "in what sense was the devil destroy on Calvary"

Not understanding how Christ defeated the Devil and death through His crucifixion is to miss the main purpose for this present world.

You're relying on your own reasoning instead of listening to the Word of God on this, because God's Word shows the Devil was not literally destroyed yet, but that his destruction literally in the lake of fire is still forthcoming. Christ's future thousand years reign is still forthcoming also, and as written, the Devil won't be literally destroyed until after that thousand years.

Also, trying to treat the Devil as a non-entity is to create a contradiction of many Scriptures in God's Word. One would be forced to omit much of God's Word in order to believe such an idea. That's effectually the purpose for such a doctrine of man that says Satan is a non-entity. I know the idea isn't yours. So who have you been listening to?

 

[Alethos]

Not understanding how Christ defeated the Devil and death through His crucifixion is to miss the main purpose for this present world.

You're relying on your own reasoning instead of listening to the Word of God on this, because God's Word shows the Devil was not literally destroyed yet, but that his destruction literally in the lake of fire is still forthcoming. Christ's future thousand years reign is still forthcoming also, and as written, the Devil won't be literally destroyed until after that thousand years.

Also, trying to treat the Devil as a non-entity is to create a contradiction of many Scriptures in God's Word. One would be forced to omit much of God's Word in order to believe such an idea. That's effectually the purpose for such a doctrine of man that says Satan is a non-entity. I know the idea isn't yours. So who have you been listening to?

Veteran,

Notice how you glanced over Heb 2:14, almost like it’s not there. I have been studying the scriptures uninhibited by human philosophies for 17 years. Pagan notions become clearly obvious when your teachings are from man, but not of God.

The Pharisees often asked the Master similar question and did so repeatedly. May be you could heed the following in light of your false teachings.

Mark 7:5-7 Jesus answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'

Why "through" death? If the devil is a being separate from mankind, what had the killing of flesh and blood on Calvary to do with the process of his destruction?

Answer the question.

Alethos

Ps. The old ways are truthful, especially for those who came away from the beast. Veteran burn your many books and return to the One Truth, One Hope and One Baptism.

 

[veteran]

Veteran,

Notice how you glanced over Heb 2:14, almost like it’s not there. I have been studying the scriptures uninhibited by human philosophies for 17 years. Pagan notions become clearly obvious when your teachings are from man, but not of God.

The Pharisees often asked the Master similar question and did so repeatedly. May be you could heed the following in light of your false teachings.

Mark 7:5-7 Jesus answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'

Why "through" death? If the devil is a being separate from mankind, what had the killing of flesh and blood on Calvary to do with the process of his destruction?

Answer the question.

Alethos

Ps. The old ways are truthful, especially for those who came away from the beast. Veteran burn your many books and return to the One Truth, One Hope and One Baptism.

Your false accusations against me are meaningless, especially in light of your refusal to accept God's witness in His Word that the Devil, that old serpent, Satan, is a real entity, a cherub He created. No amount of word-games will hide your refusal of that part of God's Word as written.

 

[Alethos]

Your false accusations against me are meaningless, especially in light of your refusal to accept God's witness in His Word that the Devil, that old serpent, Satan, is a real entity, a cherub He created. No amount of word-games will hide your refusal of that part of God's Word as written.

Veteran, I dont recall you responding to the Ezek 28 questions?

Thanks

Alethos

 

[veteran]

Veteran, I dont recall you responding to the Ezek 28 questions?

Thanks

Alethos

What questions? You have centered your stance around two or three verses and haven't responded with any credible manner to what Scripture I mentioned, but instead went into a rage of unfounded accusations against me. So if this was a debate, you showed you lost it a long time ago.

 

[Alethos]

Your false accusations against me are meaningless, especially in light of your refusal to accept God's witness in His Word that the Devil, that old serpent, Satan, is a real entity, a cherub He created. No amount of word-games will hide your refusal of that part of God's Word as written.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/13742-the-flesh-the-spirit/ still waiting your response.

You may have forgotten

Alethos

What questions? You have centered your stance around two or three verses and haven't responded with any credible manner to what Scripture I mentioned, but instead went into a rage of unfounded accusations against me. So if this was a debate, you showed you lost it a long time ago.

Veteran,

While you are there you may like to read my reply to Truthful 1...little point in repeating myself.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/13742-the-flesh-the-spirit/page__st__30

Thanks

Alethos

 

[Alethos]

http://www.christian...esh-the-spirit/ still waiting your response.

You may have forgotten

Alethos




Veteran,

While you are there you may like to read my reply to Truthful 1...little point in repeating myself.

http://www.christian...it/page__st__30

Thanks

Alethos

Still waiting Veteran?

You may like to read Sin & Death before answering Ezek 28 questions.

A lot more quotes teaching a single message.

Alethos