The Maggot and the Worm

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Alethos

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"The Worm"
Over the years I have learned to appreciate how candid the Scriptures can be at times. Many here have been repulsed by the thought of Jesus comparing himself to a serpent John 3:13-15, if ones understanding of Jesus Christ is in error, such teaching will be confronting.

The “worm” is another example.

(Job 25:4) How then can man be in the right before God? How can he who is born of woman be pure?

Can anything born of a woman be pure?

The answer is confronting when we consider Jesus was born of a woman. Many reading this now are thinking this cannot be so! Stop saying such things. Dear readers, even Jesus was not "pure" or ("clean" in the AV) Gal 4:4 Heb 2:9,10 Phil 2:8-11.

"Made lower than Elohim angels" Psa 8:5.

We must answer Job with a loud resounding NO! Flesh is never clean! Even when speaking of the Lord Jesus Christ as we shall see.

(Job 25:5) Behold, even the moon is not bright, and the stars are not pure in his eyes;

(Job 25:6) how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man (Jesus), who is a worm!"

Confronting?

How do you feel when reading those verses? Knowing they are speaking of our beloved Jesus whom we cherish and love with all our hearts?

Maggot or "Worm" in AV. Is the Hebrew "Rimmah" which is a maggot of decay, the “corrupting” nature we bare. Jesus Christ bore this same nature which for us returns to the earth and decays Gen 3:19. However Jesus never received such corruption because he was complete in his obedience, nonetheless sharing our exact nature.

See Job 7:5 Job 17:14 Job 21:26 Job 24:20 Exo 16:24.

Interesting that the word “worm” is a different Hebrew word.

Worm is "Toleah" which is a “scarlet grub” associated with sacrifice: Scarlet Num 19:6 ; Psa 22:6.

From H3216; a maggot (as voracious); specifically (often with ellipsis of H8144) the crimson grub, but used only (in this connection) of the color from it, and cloths dyed therewith: - crimson, scarlet, worm.

The scarlet-worm, Cermes vermilio, a scale-insect which feeds upon the oak, and which is used for producing a red dye.
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How is Jesus Christ our “Toleah” scarlet worm?


The Natural

The mother “scarlet worm - insect.” fixes herself to a tree and once fixed to that tree she can never leave, ever! When her offspring are born her body protects them until they can leave and defend for themselves.

However this comes at the cost to her in that she gives her life, when she dies her scarlet body is given to her young.

The Spiritual

We wonder how God Almighty can plan for such a creature that perfectly symbolises the Lord Jesus Christ and his death.

(Heb. 2:10). He shared in our nature and in doing so brought many sons to Glory! And yes we feed on his spiritual body daily, if not weekly in remembrance of him. Matt 26:26

I wonder if you can see Jesus Christ with blood stained hands and feet nailing his worm nature to a tree that you and I might have eternal life.

Knowing this marvellous natural & spiritual lesson helps us to better identify with the Master and his sufferings.

Psa 22:6 But I (Jesus) am a worm and not a man, scorned by mankind and despised by the people.

Psa 22:7 All who see me mock me; they make mouths at me; they wag their heads;

When reading these words you cannot help but feel Jesus is disparaging himself in the absence of his Father “I am a worm” A strong sense of loneliness pours through these words to convey to us his often withdrawn state of mind. It must have been a great struggle for Jesus to be in this earthly tabernacle while possessing the mind of his Father, it’s not a wonder he set his mind toward Jerusalem knowing it would take him heavenward. John 16:10 John 20:17 (Father mentioned 3x)

His reference to being one of the lowliest of God creatures, powerless one who is crushed under the feet of men, even I in the garden have at time stood on worms by accident. I feel Jesus often experienced a sense of humiliation seeing the lack of response to His Fathers Word must have been very difficult at times; this may have left him with a sense of failure.
But here in Psalm 22 Jesus is a very unique worm one when crushed produces a rich scarlet dye (pure blood). We know this insect – worm was used to produce the very dye in the making of the priestly garments in Num 19:6. And we know Jesus became the greatest of all the priests and now our true tabernacle, which God pitched and not man (Heb 8:2). What intrigues me about this scarlet dye is how it was used to cleanse the lepers and those defiled by the dead. Lev 14:4; Num 19:6; Heb 9:19.

I cannot help be feel every aspect of the scarlet worm connects with the use of the dye, the symbolic nature of his sacrifice and typifies his human nature.

But on a personal note it is the bruising of our scarlet worm which touches us deeply. He was bruised for you and I but thankfully his bruising was healed (Isa 53:3,4,5) so that we who are dead to sin (leprosy) may be presented clean and pure. Heb 9:14

Even though we "We hid our faces... we esteemed him not..."

Those who attended his death viewed a scarlet worm Psa 22:6 and serpent on a pole Num 21:9. The masses showed their bitter disappointment of him and derided him as a failure and showed no guilt for his death, like that of treading a worm under foot.

Few understood the victory of the scarlet worm. Heb 2:14 Heb 4:15 2 Cor 5:21

Speaking of God that He “might reconcile us both (Jesus and us) to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility (enmity or hatred in the flesh) Eph 2:16

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The BRONZE SERPENT
Numbers 21:9 & John 3:14-21

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The question has been asked here in the forum “why did Jesus refer to the serpent which Moses lifted up in the wilderness?

There are at least four reasons for this:

1 The serpent was lifted up and fastened to a pole, "so must the Son of man be lifted up", i.e., die by crucifixion - by being impaled on a cross.

2. A strong sense of urgency is evident in the provision of the bronze serpent. Israelites were dying in great numbers from the venomous bites. Likewise all men are mortal and dying from the bite of sin - a sting which produced death (1 Cor 15:55-56). The Son of Man must (an urgent necessity) be 'lifted up i.e., die by crucifixion, in order to save a perishing world.

3. Faith was necessary - Israelites who ignored God's provision in the bronze serpent, perished in their unbelief. Likewise, Nicodemus, his fellow rulers, and countrymen in Israel, must believe on God's provision in the Son of Man. Those who ignored his claims or disbelieved that he was the Son of God, could not be rescued. Again the urgency is apparent. An Israelite bitten by a venomous serpent would die in a matter of minutes as the venom moved from the punctured skin into the veins and to the heart muscles which it paralysed.

4. The bronze serpent was a provision by God outside the scope of the Mosaic Law. In this respect it was a type of Christ, who was provided by God outside the scope of the Mosaic Law.


 

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You will find out that Jesus was/is pure, not sinful as you insist over and over. VERY glad I'm not in your shoes.
 

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"The Worm"
Over the years I have learned to appreciate how candid the Scriptures can be at times. Many here have been repulsed by the thought of Jesus comparing himself to a serpent John 3:13-15, if ones understanding of Jesus Christ is in error, such teaching will be confronting.

Christ is the second serpent if you will accept it.

The serpent in the Garden of Eden tempted man unto disobediance to God.
Christ comes in the way of the serpent of Moses, with healing in His hands.
 

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Christ is the second serpent if you will accept it.

The serpent in the Garden of Eden tempted man unto disobediance to God.
Christ comes in the way of the serpent of Moses, with healing in His hands.

Rjp, congratulations fellow believer.

You are the first Christian to at the very lest agree with the Scriptures and see the connection between Jesus and the serpent. Its an important step for one to take. While you mention he is one who provides healing. We must ask what is the symbology of the serpent (connection) with Christ. We know he himself was not a serpent in mind, so what part of him was a serpent on the pole?

Brave Christian!

Alethos


Jesus died for our sins, not His own. He didn't have any sins and He was not sinful.


You didnt answer the question Ducky.

Why Did God the Father crucify the Son of Man and his Flesh?

Why Ducky?

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You didnt answer the question Ducky.

Why Did God the Father crucify the Son of Man and his Flesh?

Why Ducky?
I did answer, but I'll be glad to again, unlike you. Jesus was a sacrifice, the Lamb of God. He took away our sins in His body on the cross. He didn't become sinful as you are saying. A sinner can't die for a sinner.

1 Peter 2:24 (NKJV)
[sup]24 [/sup]who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed.

 

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I did answer, but I'll be glad to again, unlike you. Jesus was a sacrifice, the Lamb of God. He took away our sins in His body on the cross. He didn't become sinful as you are saying. A sinner can't die for a sinner.

1 Peter 2:24 (NKJV)
[sup]24 [/sup]who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed.


What was "in his own body"? What was in his flesh that represented those sins?

You are getting closer Ducky.

Maybe Heb 4:15 will help you.

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What was "in his own body"? What was in his flesh that represented those sins?

You are getting closer Ducky.

Maybe Heb 4:15 will help you.
I realize you are again hinting that Jesus was sinful but you are wrong as usual. He was not.

 

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I realize you are again hinting that Jesus was sinful but you are wrong as usual. He was not.


I see you are not able, at present, to seperate Jesus (sinnless in mind) from his nature (sin).

When you are ready to do so please come back, always willing to discuss the Life and Death of the Master.

2 Cor 5:21 is getting louder isnt it Ducky

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Alethos

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The BRONZE SERPENT
Numbers 21:9 & John 3:14-21

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The question has been asked here in the forum “why did Jesus refer to the serpent which Moses lifted up in the wilderness?

There are at least four reasons for this:

1 The serpent was lifted up and fastened to a pole, "so must the Son of man be lifted up", i.e., die by crucifixion - by being impaled on a cross.

2. A strong sense of urgency is evident in the provision of the bronze serpent. Israelites were dying in great numbers from the venomous bites. Likewise all men are mortal and dying from the bite of sin - a sting which produced death (1 Cor 15:55-56). The Son of Man must (an urgent necessity) be 'lifted up i.e., die by crucifixion, in order to save a perishing world.

3. Faith was necessary - Israelites who ignored God's provision in the bronze serpent, perished in their unbelief. Likewise, Nicodemus, his fellow rulers, and countrymen in Israel, must believe on God's provision in the Son of Man. Those who ignored his claims or disbelieved that he was the Son of God, could not be rescued. Again the urgency is apparent. An Israelite bitten by a venomous serpent would die in a matter of minutes as the venom moved from the punctured skin into the veins and to the heart muscles which it paralysed.

4. The bronze serpent was a provision by God outside the scope of the Mosaic Law. In this respect it was a type of Christ, who was provided by God outside the scope of the Mosaic Law.


I would like to share a elderly brothers (76) response to this short study on John 3:13-15 & Num 21:9

Regarding point [2], as Israel were in the last year of their wanderings...it is almost that after all their waywardness and faithlessness, 'Here. This is your last and only opportunity for salvation', and perhaps the faithful and discerning Israelite and Priest would see beyond the animal sacrifices, and recognise the need for blood shed, [already made clear to them], remember the role of the serpent in Eden, see it dead! [sin destroyed], and see the miracle of healing as a result of belief and obedience. The timing of this occurrence was brilliant, as we would expect from our Father.

Also note the connection with Jesus & Nicodemus and the Masters expetation of that same belief, but sadly no-one understood this, at least there are none recorded to my knowledge. But I agree, there was certainly Urgency in that the bitten Israelite had to obey without delay.

You may like to visualise the Tribe of Judah when Jesus holds up his hands and reveals the nail scares.

Zec 12:10 And I (God) will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me (God) whom they have pierced (in piercing the son the pierced the Father also), and they shall mourn for him (Jesus), as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him (Jesus), as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Will they will cast thier minds back to the Serpent and to Christ and realise their ancestors failed to look upon the saving bronze serpant whcih saves. John 19:37
 

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The curse of the Law

Many of you have read the study of the worm and the serpent (Num 21:9) and their application to Jesus Christ. I would like to now consider another aspect of his death which is spoken in Scripture.

Long throughout history it has been recorded that many sinners were hanged on trees as penalty for a crime. Biblical examples are the baker in Gen 40:19 and King Ai in Jos 8:29 also two men in Est 2:23 among others.

During the times of Moses and the Law sinners were stoned and then hung up on a tree (stake) to publicly witness a particular discipline to sin Num 25:4 and 2 Sa 21:6.

We find at the time of Jesus death and because of the curse which God placed upon those hanging from a tree, in death, that the Jewish leaders were eager for the Lord should die in that way, and so they called for Pilate to have him executed by crucifixion. We all know this was not a Jewish punishment of sin, so they sought to assistance of Rome to kill the beloved Son of God. In this type of death the Jewish leaders could demonstrate the despised Jesus was not their Messiah.

How did Jesus redeemed life illuminate this curse?

His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance.Deut 21:23

Compare Rom 1:3


Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

And Rom 1:3

[sup]3[/sup]Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

So what exactly was cursed upon the tree?

Was it the man Christ Jesus: a righteous sinless character? Absolutely not!!! We are told it was not possible death show hold him (Acts 2:24).

What was cursed is not Jesus himself, but the sin which his nature was bias towards.


"For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so HE CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH" (Rom 8:3).

"God made him who had no sin (personally) to be sin (in a nature, or physical body, prone to sin) for us"

In other words Jesus was placed under the curse of the Law so that in Jesus we might become the righteousness of God"

2Co 5:21 -- in other words that through this man Jesus who overcame sin, our sins might be forgiven!

Alethos