Why is this tree in heaven

[Faithbuilders]

(Rev 22:2 [KJV])
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

In heaven there is no death, no sickness, no need for healing, nothing bad! So why do you suppose God still kept this tree?

He transplanted it from the garden of Eden on this earth, to heaven; on the new earth. So why do you think it is still needed in heaven? Healing from what for that nations?

 

[Davy]

In heaven there is no death, no sickness, no need for healing, nothing bad! So why do you suppose God still kept this tree?

He transplanted it from the garden of Eden on this earth, to heaven; on the new earth. So why do you think it is still needed in heaven? Healing from what for that nations?

It's not in Heaven there in Revelation 22. That event happens on earth in our near future. See the Ezekiel 47 chapter which is a parallel prophecy that goes with that Revelation 22 description about God''s River and the Tree of Life. It is shown existing during the time of Ezekiel's temple, which has never been built to this day.

Remember this also...


Gen 2:9-14
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
KJV

The river Hiddekel (also known as Tigris), and the river Euphrates, are still on earth today, in the land of Iraq.

God's Garden of Eden, and His River that flowed out of His Garden, were once upon this earth. That is what the Genesis 2 Scripture is showing. Well, that also is what the Ezekiel 47 Scripture is also showing, so that is TWO Scripture witnesses our Heavenly Father gave us declaring where His future River of Revelation 22 is going to be, i.e., returned to this earth.

But wait a minute, how can earth exist with heaven in the same place, some might ask? It will be, because wherever God's Garden of Eden is, that also is where His Heaven is. And in the days of Adam and Eve, it was right here on earth! Is that hard to understand? Really shouldn't be, since He gave us examples like Genesis 18 and 19 with angels appearing to flesh man on earth and able to eat man's food, and having the image of man. In other words, the heavenly order of things CAN exist right here, upon this earth. And that is how the world to come will manifest in glory, right here, upon this earth.

Another little factoid. In the Greek Old Testament which the 1st century Church greatly used, called the Septuagint, the Greek word for 'paradise' is used in place of the word 'Eden'.

 

[Robert Gwin]

In heaven there is no death, no sickness, no need for healing, nothing bad! So why do you suppose God still kept this tree?

He transplanted it from the garden of Eden on this earth, to heaven; on the new earth. So why do you think it is still needed in heaven? Healing from what for that nations?

Keep in mind sir, Revelation is symbolic, and there is no literal tree in heaven. Revelation 22:1, 2 points to the time when we will be healed completely. The apostle John saw in vision “a river of water of life” and “trees of life” with leaves “for the healing of the nations.” This does not refer to any herbal remedy now or in the future. Rather, it points to Jehovah’s provision through Jesus for giving everlasting life to obedient mankind

 

[Faithbuilders]

Keep in mind sir, Revelation is symbolic, and there is no literal tree in heaven. Revelation 22:1, 2 points to the time when we will be healed completely. The apostle John saw in vision “a river of water of life” and “trees of life” with leaves “for the healing of the nations.” This does not refer to any herbal remedy now or in the future. Rather, it points to Jehovah’s provision through Jesus for giving everlasting life to obedient mankind

I agree that some of Revelation is symbolic; but in context of Genesis, I don't think that this is one of them. There was a real tree, that God feared Adam and Eve might eat from after there fall, and live forever in there sin. That is the reason He placed an angel to guard the tree of life. God then took the same tree up to plant it in the new earth so the guarding angel is no longer needed.

 

[Faithbuilders]

It's not in Heaven there in Revelation 22. That event happens on earth in our near future. See the Ezekiel 47 chapter which is a parallel prophecy that goes with that Revelation 22 description about God''s River and the Tree of Life. It is shown existing during the time of Ezekiel's temple, which has never been built to this day.

If you back up to Rev 21:1, it is clear that Rev 21 and 22 take place on the new earth. Not on this earth, as this earth will have passed away.

(Rev 21:1 [KJV])
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Also the tree that you are talking about in Eze 47:12 is not the same tree as Gen, or Rev. Because the tree in Eze is still during the time of animal sacrifices (read the chapter before) and they ARE allowed to eat the fruit off that tree, and we know they are not allowed on this earth to eat from the tree of life.

 

[marks]

In heaven there is no death, no sickness, no need for healing, nothing bad! So why do you suppose God still kept this tree?

He transplanted it from the garden of Eden on this earth, to heaven; on the new earth. So why do you think it is still needed in heaven? Healing from what for that nations?

Do you think that humanity will continue to grow, to reproduce in the new creation? If so, that's what it would be for.

Much love!

 

[Webers_Home]

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While true that folks who make the cut for the new cosmos can expect to be
immortal, that doesn't mean they will be impervious to injures like cuts,
burns, scrapes, scratches, sprains, broken bones, punctures, blisters, and/or
indigestion and bloody noses.

NOTE: The tree of life isn't a source of life. According to Rev 22:2 its
purpose is essentially medicinal, i.e. a source of remedies for whatever ails
you. According to Gen 3:22 the tree is potent enough to even cure the aging
process.
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[Faithbuilders]

Do you think that humanity will continue to grow, to reproduce in the new creation? If so, that's what it would be for.

Much love!

Considering Jesus said that there will be no marring in heaven, I don't think so.

 

[marks]

Considering Jesus said that there will be no marring in heaven, I don't think so.

That's not exactly what he said, and I'm not talking about heaven.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

If you back up to Rev 21:1, it is clear that Rev 21 and 22 take place on the new earth. Not on this earth, as this earth will have passed away.

(Rev 21:1 [KJV])
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

One must rightly divide the 'event', not simply rely on the chapter order where an event is written. A very easy proof that Revelation 22:14-15 is Millennial timing is because the wicked are still there. When God's new heavens and a new earth comes, the wicked will have all been cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of the "thousand years". They will not see the new heavens and a new earth time.

Also the tree that you are talking about in Eze 47:12 is not the same tree as Gen, or Rev. Because the tree in Eze is still during the time of animal sacrifices (read the chapter before) and they ARE allowed to eat the fruit off that tree, and we know they are not allowed on this earth to eat from the tree of life.

The Tree of Life in Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22 is the same, as its leaves are for the healing of the nations. The animal sacrifices written in Ezekiel 40-47 has to be metaphorical for our love sacrifice to The Father and His Son, since Jesus became the Perfect Sacrifice for one and all time.

 

[Faithbuilders]

That's not exactly what he said, and I'm not talking about heaven.

Much love!

Oh, I misunderstood then, and it was a statement of what Jesus said, not an exact quote.

 

[marks]

Oh, I misunderstood then, and it was a statement of what Jesus said, not an exact quote.

Here's another question. Is the tree of life in heaven? Or the new earth?

Much love!

 

[Faithbuilders]

By your question I assume u believe heaven is like a waiting place till the new earth is complete? I always thought it to be the same place, now.

 

[marks]

Oh, I misunderstood then, and it was a statement of what Jesus said, not an exact quote.

Jesus said that in the resurrection, we would neither marry nor be given in marriage, but would be as the angels.

In the new heaven and the new earth, the New Jerusalem will be there, and the nations shall bring their glory into it. Who are these nations?

Much love!

 

[marks]

By your question I assume u believe heaven is like a waiting place till the new earth is complete? I always thought it to be the same place, now.

My understanding is that there is heaven and earth, and heaven mostly has a dual use, though Paul referred to the "3rd heaven".

I see the word used according to the natural and the spiritual, that is, heaven being the sky, and space, and, heaven being the celestial realm. There is the earth and sky, and the terrestrial and celestial.

When we are born from Adam, we are alive in the terrestrial. When we are born from God, we are alive in the celestial. When we are alive in the terrestrial, we experience the input of our senses in the terrestrial. The celestial is veiled by our flesh, and we do not see through that. But when we die in the terrestrial, if we are alive in the celestial, we will no longer be veiled, preferring to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.

In the resurrection, we become again alive in the terrestrial, but I think we won't be veiled anymore, but will be alive in both realms with understanding and perception.

In the new creation, I think the same thing will be true, that the veil will be removed, and the heavenly and the earthly will be a single realm. I wouldn't be dogmatic about that!

In Isaiah, he prophesied of the generations of Jacob continuing forever. Things like this get me thinking!

Much love!

 

[Davy]

My understanding is that there is heaven and earth, and heaven mostly has a dual use, though Paul referred to the "3rd heaven".

I see the word used according to the natural and the spiritual, that is, heaven being the sky, and space, and, heaven being the celestial realm. There is the earth and sky, and the terrestrial and celestial.

When we are born from Adam, we are alive in the terrestrial. When we are born from God, we are alive in the celestial. When we are alive in the terrestrial, we experience the input of our senses in the terrestrial. The celestial is veiled by our flesh, and we do not see through that. But when we die in the terrestrial, if we are alive in the celestial, we will no longer be veiled, preferring to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.

In the resurrection, we become again alive in the terrestrial, but I think we won't be veiled anymore, but will be alive in both realms with understanding and perception.

In the new creation, I think the same thing will be true, that the veil will be removed, and the heavenly and the earthly will be a single realm. I wouldn't be dogmatic about that!

In Isaiah, he prophesied of the generations of Jacob continuing forever. Things like this get me thinking!

Much love!

There's only 2 ideas of heaven declared in God's Word that He created. There's the heaven as the sky above the earth, and then there's His Abode of Heaven in that other dimension where He and the angels dwell.

But there are 3 earth-heaven ages... written of in God's Word. Apostle Peter described them in 2 Peter 3. The 3rd heaven earth-age is God's new heavens and a new earth. That is where Paul in 2 Cor.12 was taken to, God's future Eternity, a third heaven age.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Who are these nations?

Possibly the huge multi-national, multi-racial crowd at Rev 7:9
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[MatthewG]

In heaven there is no death, no sickness, no need for healing, nothing bad! So why do you suppose God still kept this tree?

He transplanted it from the garden of Eden on this earth, to heaven; on the new earth. So why do you think it is still needed in heaven? Healing from what for that nations?

Healing for the lost, who may come to see the light and seek the to come into the city? I do not know for sure.

You’re post is on revelation 22, and we can see blessed are those who do his commandments (believe on the son of God having faith and to love) having a

might , May, chance to go to the tree and into the city.


“Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:14-15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

 

[farouk]

Healing for the lost, who may come to see the light and seek the to come into the city? I do not know for sure.

You’re post is on revelation 22, and we can see blessed are those who do his commandments (believe on the son of God having faith and to love) having a

might , May, chance to go to the tree and into the city.


“Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:14-15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

@MatthewG I think it can be useful to remember that Israel is an earthly people while the church is an heavenly one.

And so this language may be viewed with varying emphasis according to one's background; all who are saved owe it to the work of Christ.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I agree that some of Revelation is symbolic; but in context of Genesis, I don't think that this is one of them. There was a real tree, that God feared Adam and Eve might eat from after there fall, and live forever in there sin. That is the reason He placed an angel to guard the tree of life. God then took the same tree up to plant it in the new earth so the guarding angel is no longer needed.

I do believe the tree in the garden was real, for the same reason that you do. Very likely that is why John worded it the way he did in Revelation, as a reminder of the significance of that tree, even though he spoke of multiple trees. He referred to them as trees of life, as was the tree in the garden.