Ten Tribes Bible History

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No pecking out of only a couple of verses here about the ten lost tribes of Israel subject. If you don't like the full Scripture evidence, this is not the place to be...


IKing 11:1-43
1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

Per 1 Kings 9, a residue of the people of the nations of Canaan became bondservants among Israel. That's why we see these Hittites also mentioned here (see Deut.20). Solomon took wives of these nations, and allowed his heart to be turned to their idols. He built idols to them, and even fell into false worship to Ashtoreth, the goddess of Zidon.

9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, Which had appeared unto him twice,
10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.

God appeared to Solomon two times about this thing, yet Solomon still would not turn away from those idol abominations.

11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, "Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept My covenant and My statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.
12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.
13 Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David My servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen.

Then God declared to Solomon what He was going to do. He said He would rend the kingdom out the hand of Solomon's son, but leave him ONE TRIBE for David's and Jerusalem's sake. We'll learn that one tribe was the tribe of Judah at Jerusalem.

14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
15 For it came to pass, when David was in Edom, and Joab the captain of the host was gone up to bury the slain, after he had smitten every male in Edom;
16 (For six months did Joab remain there with all Israel, until he had cut off every male in Edom:)
17 That Hadad fled, he and certain Edomites of his father's servants with him, to go into Egypt; Hadad being yet a little child.
18 And they arose out of Midian, and came to Paran: and they took men with them out of Paran, and they came to Egypt, unto Pharaoh king of Egypt; which gave him an house, and appointed him victuals, and gave him land.
19 And Hadad found great favour in the sight of Pharaoh, so that he gave him to wife the sister of his own wife, the sister of Tahpenes the queen.
20 And the sister of Tahpenes bare him Genubath his son, whom Tahpenes weaned in Pharaoh's house: and Genubath was in Pharaoh's household among the sons of Pharaoh.
21 And when Hadad heard in Egypt that David slept with his fathers, and that Joab the captain of the host was dead, Hadad said to Pharaoh, Let me depart, that I may go to mine own country.
22 Then Pharaoh said unto him, But what hast thou lacked with me, that, behold, thou seekest to go to thine own country? And he answered, Nothing: howbeit let me go in any wise.

God had yet to rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon's son at this event. He stirred up the nations against Solomon while he was still on the throne of his father David.

23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:
24 And he gathered men unto him, and became captain over a band, when David slew them of Zobah: and they went to Damascus, and dwelt therein, and reigned in Damascus.
25 And he was an adversary to Israel all the days of Solomon, beside the mischief that Hadad did: and he abhorred Israel, and reigned over Syria.

Here's a second enemy God stirred up against Solomon for the false idol worship Solomon had done.

26 And Jeroboam the son of Nebat, an Ephrathite of Zereda, Solomon's servant, whose mother's name was Zeruah, a widow woman, even he lifted up his hand against the king.
27 And this was the cause that he lifted up his hand against the king: Solomon built Millo, and repaired the breaches of the city of David his father.
28 And the man Jeroboam was a mighty man of valour: and Solomon seeing the young man that he was industrious, he made him ruler over all the charge of the house of Joseph.

This Jeroboam is important to note. He was of the "house of Joseph", an "Ephrathite", meaning a descendent of Joseph's son Ephraim. Solomon made Jeroboam in charge of all the house of Joseph, which then meant the possessions of Ephraim and Manasseh in the northern lands of Israel where the ten northern tribes dwelt. Verse 26 shows God would raise up Jeroboam against Solomon's house at Jerusalem. And the following shows how...

29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:

Jeroboam (of Ephraim) goes out of Jerusalem, and God's prophet Ahijah caught him and tore the new coat Jeroboam was wearing into 12 pieces. Do you think that got Jeroboam's attention?

31 And he said to Jeroboam, "Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)

Ahijah then tells Jeroboam (of Ephraim) that God told him to take TEN PIECES, that God was going to give him "ten tribes". But, He would leave one tribe to Solomon's lineage for His servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake. This is why after this split of Israel into two separate kingdoms, with ten tribes given to Jeroboam, that a remnant of that one tribe (Judah) has always been kept at Jerusalem, even through the later 70 years Babylon captivity, and even through the later captivities of Jerusalem by the Romans, Turks, British, etc.

33 Because that they have forsaken Me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in My ways, to do that which is right in Mine eyes, and to keep My statutes and My judgments, as did David his father.

God lets Jeroboam know why He did this rending of the kingdom in giving ten tribes of Jeroboam of the house of Joseph.

34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David My servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept My commandments and My statutes:
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.

God repeats to Jeroboam (of Joseph), that He will allow Solomon to remain prince all his days, but in his son's days is when He would rend the kingdom, and give ten tribes to Jeroboam of the house of Joseph. Solomon's son that would happen to we'll discover later, was named Rehoboam. The names sound very similar, so it's important to keep them distinct from each other. Jeroboam was of Joseph's house and was to receive ten tribes. Rehoboam was of Solomon's house, and was to receive one tribe.

36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David My servant may have a light alway before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen Me to put My name there.

Once again, God repeats His Will that He would keep one tribe at Jerusalem for His servant David's sake, and so there would always be a light before Him in Jerusalem. That promise is STILL in effect today for Jerusalem, which is why a remnant of Judah is still there today, while the majority of Judah is still scattered among the nations.

37 And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel.

All this is stlll God's prophecy to Jeroboam (of Ephraim of the house of Joseph), being given through God's prophet Ahijah. Note God says Jeroboam will reign according to all his soul's desires, and would be "king over Israel".

That "king over Israel" label God gave to Jeroboam is very important. It represents the first time in Israel's history as a nation, that the kingdom name of "Israel" would not be associated with Judah at Jerusalem, nor a king from the house of David, for Jeroboam was of the house of Joseph of the tribe of Ephraim (son of Joseph). It means this new kingdom of ten tribes that God is going to give Jeroboam is at that point known as the kingdom of Israel. To show this further in Scripture, this new kingdom of ten tribes would also be called the "house of Israel" in God's Word.

38 And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in My ways, and do that is right in My sight, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as David My servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.

God still speaking to Jeroboam through His prophet Ahijah here. God told Jeroboam that if he followed Him like His servant David did, then He would give "Israel" to Jeroboam (of Ephraim). He promised to make Jeroboam's house sure. But..., God said He would not forever afflict the seed of David with this, which is what the joining of the two sticks back together in Ezekiel 37 is about, the joining of the ten tribes and the house of Judah back into one kingdom again, under Christ Jesus and David their prince. That will only occur at Christ's second coming.

40 Solomon sought therefore to kill Jeroboam. And Jeroboam arose, and fled into Egypt, unto Shishak king of Egypt, and was in Egypt until the death of Solomon.

God must have allowed Solomon to know about this coming split of the kingdom, with ten tribes given to Jeroboam reigning over Israel instead. Jeroboam (of Ephraim) then fled to Egypt until Solomon died, and Jeroboam then returned.

41 And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?
42 And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years.
43 And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
(KJV)

King Solomon of the house of David at Jerusalem dies, and his son Rehoboam begins to regin in Solomon's place. Again, note the similarity in the names Rehoboam (house of David) and Jeroboam (house of Joseph). The name Rehoboam means 'a people has enlarged'. And the name Jeroboam means 'the people will contend'.

That's exactly what is to occur next in the 1 Kings 12 chapter. Rehoboam (Solomon's son) of Judah at Jerusalem will enlarge his tent with the tribe of Benjamin joined with him at Jerusalem/Judea, along with some small number of northern tribe remnants that lived in the south, and some that elected to come down to Jerusalem. And Jeroboam of Joseph will contend for the kingdom of Israel which God had prophesied to give him, even ten tribes.

Continued...

 

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This 1 Kings 12 chapter is how the actual split of the kingdom of Israel happened...

IKing 12:1-33
1 And Rehoboam went to Shechem: for all Israel were come to Shechem to make him king.
2 And it came to pass, when Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who was yet in Egypt, heard of it, (for he was fled from the presence of king Solomon, and Jeroboam dwelt in Egypt;)
3 That they sent and called him. And Jeroboam and all the congregation of Israel came, and spake unto Rehoboam, saying,
4 Thy father made our yoke grievous: now therefore make thou the grievous service of thy father, and his heavy yoke which he put upon us, lighter, and we will serve thee.
5 And he said unto them, Depart yet for three days, then come again to me. And the people departed.

The people of Israel came to the place of Shechem to annoint Rehoboam (Solomon's son) as king. But when Jeroboam (of Ephraim) heard about it, some of the people sent for him in Egypt. Then all the congregation of Israel went to Rehoboam (Solomon's son), and complained about the yoke of burden his father Solomon had caused upon them, and wanted it made lighter. Rehoboam told them to go away for 3 days, and then come back.

6 And king Rehoboam consulted with the old men, that stood before Solomon his father while he yet lived, and said, How do ye advise that I may answer this people?
7 And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever.

Rehoboam then asked counsel from the elder men that has stood by Solomon in his days. They told Rehoboam to be a good servant to the people, and speak good to them, then they would serve him.

8 But he forsook the counsel of the old men, which they had given him, and consulted with the young men that were grown up with him, and which stood before him:
9 And he said unto them, What counsel give ye that we may answer this people, who have spoken to me, saying, Make the yoke which thy father did put upon us lighter?
10 And the young men that were grown up with him spake unto him, saying, Thus shalt thou speak unto this people that spake unto thee, saying, Thy father made our yoke heavy, but make thou it lighter unto us; thus shalt thou say unto them, My little finger shall be thicker than my father's loins.
11 And now whereas my father did lade you with a heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke: my father hath chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

Rehoboam would not listen to the elder counsel, but turned to young men he grew up with. The younger men told Rehoboam to say that he would make his little finger be thicker than his father Solomon's loins. In other words, he would make the people's burden even harder than his father Solomon.

12 So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam the third day, as the king had appointed, saying, Come to me again the third day.
13 And the king answered the people roughly, and forsook the old men's counsel that they gave him;
14 And spake to them after the counsel of the young men, saying, My father made your yoke heavy, and I will add to your yoke: my father also chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

The people returned to speak with Rehoboam after 3 days like he commanded, and Rehoboam declared his heavier yoke of the young men's counsel upon the people.

15 Wherefore the king hearkened not unto the people; for the cause was from the LORD, that He might perform His saying, which the LORD spake by Ahijah the Shilonite unto Jeroboam the son of Nebat.

Rehoboam's heart was hardened so that God's prophecy about Jeroboam receiving the kingdom as told by His prophet Ahijah would take place.

16 So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, "What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents."

When they saw Rehoboam (Solomon's son) would not listen, the people of Israel departed from following the house of David at that point in history. But remember per the prophecy back in 1 Kings 11, at least one tribe was to remain with Rehoboam in Jerusalem, which would be the tribe of Judah.


17 But as for the children of Israel which dwelt in the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them.

Those of the other tribes of Israel that dwelt in Judea around Jerusalem chose to remain with Rehoboam (Solomon's son) as their king. This is why the woman named Anna in Luke 2:36 who was of the tribe of Asher is found among the Jews (Judah) during the time of Christ's first coming.

18 Then king Rehoboam sent Adoram, who was over the tribute; and all Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. Therefore king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem.

King Rehoboam (Solomon's son, of Judah, of the house of David), and one of his servants went to the northern lands where the majority of the people of Israel dwelt, to collect tribute money (i.e., taxes). This was the first 'Tea Party' folks! The children of Israel rebelled and killed Rehoboam's tax collector. Then Rehoboam himself feared for his own life, and quickly fled back down to Jerusalem.

19 So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day.

So the majority of the tribes of Israel rebelled against the house of David, even unto the day when this was written down in the history of Kings.

20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

The majority of the people of Israel (mainly dwelling in the north of ten tribes), then sent for Jeroboam (of Ephraim), and made him king over all Israel (i.e., the tribes of Israel in the northern lands). At this point in time, the only tribe that was with Rehoboam (Solomon's son) was the tribe of Judah at Jerusalem.

21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.

When Rehoboam arrived back at Jerusalem, he gathered up an army of all the house of Judah, and the tribe of Benjamin. His plan was to go back up to the northern tribes and try and bring the whole kingdom back together again. Notice the mention of those with Jeroboam in the northern lands is called here "the house of Israel". That is put for the ten tribes in the northern lands which Jeroboam (of Ephraim) was made king over, fulfilling God's prophecy through Ahijah.

22 But the word of God came unto Shemaiah the man of God, saying,
23 Speak unto Rehoboam, the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and unto all the house of Judah and Benjamin, and to the remnant of the people, saying,
24 Thus saith the LORD, Ye shall not go up, nor fight against your brethren the children of Israel: return every man to his house; for this thing is from Me. They hearkened therefore to the word of the LORD, and returned to depart, according to the word of the LORD.

Before Rehoboam could get going to try and bring the kingdom back in union, God's prophet Shemaiah told him that this rending of the kingdom was from God, and to not go up to the northern tribes of the house of Israel to fight against it. Now notice once again specific labels being given, like "king of Judah" and "house of Judah and Benjamin". That was to show the difference between the southern kingdom under Judah and the house of David at Jerusalem, vs. the northern kingdom of the house of Israel under Jeroboam in the northern lands. That house distinction continues throughout the rest of God's Word also, especially in the Books of God's prophets.

25 Then Jeroboam built Shechem in mount Ephraim, and dwelt therein; and went out from thence, and built Penuel.

That place was in mount Ephraim, in the northern lands of Israel. The city of Samaria would eventually be where the kings of Israel would dwell, while the kings of Judah would remain in the south at Jeruslaem. Thus the labels of 'Jerusalem', 'Judah', 'house of Judah', appear later pointing ONLY to the southern kingdom. And labels like 'Samaria', 'Ephraim', 'house of Israel', 'Joseph', point only to the northern kingdom of ten tribes under Jeroboam. That distinction in Bible history is to be remembered after this point here. It's very... important. Otherwise the Bible student will not know who later Bible prophecy is being given to, and who all it affects.

26 And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David:
27 If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah.

Jeroboam (of Ephraim) knew he had a major problem with this split of Israel into two separate kingdoms. The proper worship to God at that time was still... at Jerusalem, in the southern kingdom of Judah and Benjamin that Solomon's son Rehoboam ruled over. If the northern tribes went to Jerusalem to worship like they were supposed to do, then some of them might not come back up north, but choose to stay in the south with Judah. It would augment Rehoboam's kingdom and numbers. Then eventually Rehoboam would have enough to overthrow Jeroboam's reign in the north over the ten tribes, and slay him, bringing the whole kingdom back together again.

28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.
30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.

Jeroboam (of Ephraim) did a terrible sin against God to solve his political problem. He made 2 golden calf idols for the ten tribes to worship, setting one in Bethel (House of God), and the other in Dan, both areas in the northern lands. He set those idols in place of God Who brought Israel out of Egypt. And the people of the ten tribes in the north began to worship those abomination idols instead of God.

31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.

God had ordained through Moses that only the sons of Levi and Aaron were to be Israel's priests. Jeroboam (of Ephraim) instead made of the common people their priests instead. This situation would eventually prevent the Levite priests that dwelt among the ten tribes from doing their priest duties, and to leave. They went down south to Jerusalem and joined with Rehoboam, the king of Judah instead (see 2 Chronicles 11). Thus the "house of Judah" at Jerusalem would eventually be augmented again with the tribe of Levi. Rehoboam of Solomon would then have the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi with him (even as it still is today).

32 And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made.
33 So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had devised of his own heart; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense.
(KJV)

Jeroboam (of Ephraim) also set up feast days to counter the original feast days that God gave to Israel. This was done to politically separate his kingdom of Israel from Rehoboam's kingdom of Judah at Jerusalem. This type of act by Jeroboam then continued with the later kings of Israel in the north. And eventually, God got tired of it and brought the kings of Assyria upon the northern ten tribe kingdom of the 'house of Israel', and removed them ALL out of the holy land (2 Kings 17).

For those who have followed this 1 Kings 11-12 Bible study, you should well know anyone saying these events of history did not happen, is not speaking God's Truth about it. It means they either don't know of it because they have not studied it, or they would rather listen to men's doctrines, or that they are purposefully trying to subvert it. You make the choice which.

 

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You are right on here Veteran and this exists to this very day and will end at the End of the age when both sticks Judah(2 tribes) and Israel (10 tribes) are rejoined into one stick. Both Are of his people and if you dont have this you will never get prophecy right. This story is written in many forms from Gen to revelation for those with eyes to see it.

Future prochecy

Eze. 37: 15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions:
then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become ONE in thine hand.

18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Who said this? the very Lord himself ..so if choose to hear men so be it, but God says differntly

20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Now obviously sense we all do not live in Israel ...we are not one nation ...and we do not have one king over us this has not occured yet ..When do we have one king over us ? When Christ returns ....If the king is Christ then it stands to reason Jews/Judah will come to accept Christ as their savior ...However he will do it on his time not ours ..

23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will Save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

 

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Starting within 2 Kings 15, begins history of the ten tribes of the kingdom of Israel being removed out of the holy lands captive to Assyria. This also continues the distinction between two Israelite kingdoms separate from each other, a southern kingdom with a king of Judah of the house of David over it at Jerusalem, and then another king at the same time in the north at Samaria over the northern kingdom of ten tribes.

II Ki 15:1-38
1 In the twenty and seventh year of Jeroboam king of Israel began Azariah son of Amaziah king of Judah to reign.
2 Sixteen years old was he when he began to reign, and he reigned two and fifty years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Jecholiah of Jerusalem.

This Azariah was king of Judah at Jerusalem. He began to reign in the 27th year when Jeroboam was king of Israel. Note the two separate kingdoms of Israel with that.

3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father Amaziah had done;
4 Save that the high places were not removed: the people sacrificed and burnt incense still on the high places.
5 And the LORD smote the king, so that he was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house. And Jotham the king's son was over the house, judging the people of the land.
6 And the rest of the acts of Azariah, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?
7 So Azariah slept with his fathers; and they buried him with his fathers in the city of David: and Jotham his son reigned in his stead.

By this time, high places of false worship were also appearing in the southern kingdom among the kings of Judah at Jerusalem. It would eventually lead God to remove the house of Judah by the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzarr later. But at this point in time, the ten tribes in the north, the "house of Israel", was still a kingdom existing in the northern holy land, with its kings at Samaria.

8 In the thirty and eighth year of Azariah king of Judah did Zachariah the son of Jeroboam reign over Israel in Samaria six months.
9 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, as his fathers had done: he departed not from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin.

Zachariah (son of Jeroboam) began to reign over the ten tribes of Israel at Samaria, while Azariah king of Judah reigned over the southern kingdom of Judah in the south, at Jerusalem. Notice how the kings of Israel still... allowed the golden calf worship that Jeroboam (of Ephraim) had instituted to exist among the ten tribes. Judah at Jerusalem had no part in that, and was still as a majority faithful to God at that time, but would later also fall to false worship eventually.

10 And Shallum the son of Jabesh conspired against him, and smote him before the people, and slew him, and reigned in his stead.
11 And the rest of the acts of Zachariah, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.

Shallum slew king Zachariah of Israel. Note how the "chronicles of the kings of Israel" is mentioned here as a distinct record from "the chronicles of the kings of Judah" starting at 1 Kings 14:29, confirming the existence of Israel as two separate kingdoms or nations at this event. First mention of this record "chronicles of the kings of Israel" begins with king Jeroboam over the ten tribed northern kingdom of Israel in 1 Kings 14:19.

12 This was the word of the LORD which he spake unto Jehu, saying, Thy sons shall sit on the throne of Israel unto the fourth generation. And so it came to pass.

After Jehu, his son Jehoahaz reigned over Israel in Samaria, then his son Joash reigned, and then Jeroboam reigned in his place, and then finally this Zachariah was the last son of Jehu to reign over Israel at Samaria.

13 Shallum the son of Jabesh began to reign in the nine and thirtieth year of Uzziah king of Judah; and he reigned a full month in Samaria.
14 For Menahem the son of Gadi went up from Tirzah, and came to Samaria, and smote Shallum the son of Jabesh in Samaria, and slew him, and reigned in his stead.

Within one month, Jabesh king of Israel was slain with Menahem taking the throne of Israel at Samaria.

15 And the rest of the acts of Shallum, and his conspiracy which he made, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.
16 Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
17 In the nine and thirtieth year of Azariah king of Judah began Menahem the son of Gadi to reign over Israel, and reigned ten years in Samaria.
18 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD: he departed not all his days from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin.

Still, the later kings of Israel at Samaria did not depart from the abominations of Jeroboam. At this time God then got fed up and started removing the people of the ten tribes out of the northern lands, captive to Assyria.

19 And Pul the king of Assyria came against the land: and Menahem gave Pul a thousand talents of silver, that his hand might be with him to confirm the kingdom in his hand.
20 And Menahem exacted the money of Israel, even of all the mighty men of wealth, of each man fifty shekels of silver, to give to the king of Assyria. So the king of Assyria turned back, and stayed not there in the land.

Pul, the king of Assyria, got paid off this time, and left the ten tribes alone. But it wouldn't last.

21 And the rest of the acts of Menahem, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel?
22 And Menahem slept with his fathers; and Pekahiah his son reigned in his stead.
23 In the fiftieth year of Azariah king of Judah Pekahiah the son of Menahem began to reign over Israel in Samaria, and reigned two years.
24 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD: he departed not from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin.

Once again, another new king over the ten tribes of Israel at Samaria still did not end the sin of Jeroboam with the golden calves idol worship.

25 But Pekah the son of Remaliah, a captain of his, conspired against him, and smote him in Samaria, in the palace of the king's house, with Argob and Arieh, and with him fifty men of the Gileadites: and he killed him, and reigned in his room.
26 And the rest of the acts of Pekahiah, and all that he did, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.

Pekah reigns over Israel, and his era of reign will begin the removal of the ten tribes out of the land...

27 In the two and fiftieth year of Azariah king of Judah Pekah the son of Remaliah began to reign over Israel in Samaria, and reigned twenty years.
28 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD: he departed not from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin.

Pekah too keeps Jeroboam's sin of golden calf idols going.

29 In the days of Pekah king of Israel came Tiglath-pileser king of Assyria, and took Ijon, and Abel-beth-ma'achah, and Jonoah, and Kedesh, and Hazor, and Gilead, and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali, and carried them captive to Assyria.

Tiglath-pileser, king of Assyria came and took all these areas, and transported these Israelite peoples from the ten tribes north to the lands of Assyria. This was the first stage of the ten tribes being removed from the holy land to captivity by the kings of Assyria. None of this affected the 3 tribed house of Judah in the south at Jerusalem. This was upon the ten tribes of the house of Israel only.

30 And Hoshea the son of Elah made a conspiracy against Pekah the son of Remaliah, and smote him, and slew him, and reigned in his stead, in the twentieth year of Jotham the son of Uzziah.
31 And the rest of the acts of Pekah, and all that he did, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.
32 In the second year of Pekah the son of Remaliah king of Israel began Jotham the son of Uzziah king of Judah to reign.
33 Five and twenty years old was he when he began to reign, and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Jerusha, the daughter of Zadok.

Notice how Pekah king of Israel is made distinct here compared to Jotham king of Judah reigning at Jerusalem. So this section continues history about the kingdom of Judah in the south at this verse. 1 Kings 14 through 2 Kings goes back and forth like this between the kings of Judah and the kings of Israel, until the ten tribes of Israel are totally removed by the kings of Assyria.

34 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD: he did according to all that his father Uzziah had done.
35 Howbeit the high places were not removed: the people sacrificed and burned incense still in the high places. He built the higher gate of the house of the LORD.

Now there's a continuing problem with false worship and false sacrifices among Judah in the south too.

36 Now the rest of the acts of Jotham, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?
37 In those days the LORD began to send against Judah Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah.
38 And Jotham slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David his father: and Ahaz his son reigned in his stead.
(KJV)

Rezin (Syria) and Pekah (king of Israel) conspired together against the kingdom of Judah in the south. God through Isaiah would also be given to write about this stunt against Judah in the southern kingdom...

Continued...

 

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God tells us more about that alliance in Isaiah 7 between Rezin of Syria and Pekah king of Israel (ten tribed kingdom).

Isa 7:1-9
1 And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.

King Rezin of Syria and king Pekah of the house of Israel tried to defeat the kingdom of Judah at Jerusalem, but could not.

2 And it was told the house of David, saying, "Syria is confederate with Ephraim." And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.

When the house of David at Jerusalem was alerted that "Ephraim" was allied with king Rezin of Syria against them, it made their hearts sad. Did you notice how God used the label of "Ephraim" to point to Pekah king of Israel there? He could have just said Pekah, king of Israel, like in the 2 Kings 15 chapter. The reason Ephraim is used as a marker here for Pekah the king of Israel is because king Jeroboam was of the tribe of Ephraim of the house of Joseph, and he was the first king over Israel of the ten tribes that God setup, back in 1 Kings 11 through 1 Kings 12.

Thus "Ephraim" after the split of Israel into two separate kingdoms is a marker ONLY for the ten tribed "house of Israel' kingdom, with its ruling city at Samaria in the northern holy lands. It is per God's transfer of His Birthright from Jacob to the sons of Joseph, per 1 Chronicles 5. Judah was to be the chief ruler over all the people of Israel, and God preserved kings of Judah at Jerusalem for the time being. But His Birthright was to Joseph's sons, which meant the majority of the people of Israel, which is exactly what the ten northern tribes represented.

As per God's Birthright promise through Jacob that Ephraim was to become "a multitude of nations" per Gen.48, that would not have been fulfilled if God had not first separated Israel into two separate kingdoms and nations with these events. Other than God's Plan and prophecy He gave with the right to do this split of old Israel, we can see by what the people were doing against Him that He was Just in doing this because of their rebellious nature alone. The split originally happened because of what Solomon did, remember? But at the same time, God used it to fulfill prophecy of His Birthright to Ephraim, setting the future stage for Ephraim to become "a multitude of nations".

3 Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field;
4 And say unto him, "Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.
5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying,
6 'Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:'"

Ahaz, king of Judah, was told by God to not be worried about Rezin and Pekah coming against him at Jerusalem.

7 Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.
8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.
9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.
(KJV)

This is why God told Judah to not worry, because within 65 years of this event, Ephraim would be broken that it not be a people. Once again, God uses the label of "Ephraim" to define the northern kingdom of Israel under Pekah. Then He even declares, "And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son." Why did He do that again?

It's because He wants us to recognize this split of the northern ten tribes apart from Judah at Jerusalem. And, that it is in fulfillment of His Birthright promises through Jacob to Joseph's son Ephraim, the head of the ten tribes. Even back in Genesis 37 this prophecy about Joseph inheriting the Birthright from Abraham was given...

Gen 37:5-11
5 And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.
6 And he said unto them, "Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:
7 For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf."
8 And his brethren said to him, "Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us?" And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.

Joseph told a dream he had to his brethren, that the sheaves of his eleven brothers stood around his, and made obeisance to Joseph's sheaf. That was not only about Joseph's separation from his brethren and being exalted by God in Egypt, and his brethren having to come to Egypt during the famine and ask Joseph's help. It is also about God's Birthright blessing of the firstborn, the very blessing He first gave through Abraham.

Jer 31:9-11
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He That scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
11 For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.
(KJV)

From what we've learned about Ephraim from Isaiah 7, that Ephraim represents the ten tribes of Israel, and not the kingdom of Judah in the south, is God revealing more with this Jer.31 prophecy about His final gathering of Ephraim out of the isles afar off?

Joseph dreamed another dream, and told it to his eleven brothers of Jacob that would become tribes of Israel, and then told it to his father Jacob...

Gen.37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, "Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me."
10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, "What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?"
11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.
(KJV)

The sun and the moon and eleven stars we're shown there represent Jacob (Israel) and his wife, and his eleven sons that would become eleven tribes of Israel. God said Ephraim was His 'firstborn', Jacob said Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations", and 1 Chron.5 documents that the Birthright went to the sons of Joseph, i.e., Ephraim and Manasseh. Is there any doubt this involved the split of Israel into two separate kingdoms and houses, apart from each other? Notice Joseph's father Jacob "observed the saying", meaning the dream Joseph had. And then note that Joseph's eleven brothers hated him because of that dream from God.

 

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II Ki 16:1-20
1 In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah Ahaz the son of Jotham king of Judah began to reign.

Now Ahaz (son of Jotham) begins to reign as king of Judah at Jerusalem.

2 Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem, and did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD his God, like David his father.
3 But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.

Ahaz king of Judah, left from following the ways of his ancestor David. Instead Ahaz followed what the northern kingdom of Israel had been following, that of sacrifices to false gods, even sacrificing one of his own sons. Notice how God uses the label "kings of Israel" there. That is to show how the ten tribe northern kingdom was recognized by the name Israel, while the southern kingdom at Jerusalem was recognized by the name Judah. God's Word will still refer to all 12 tribes at times with house of Jacob, or just Jacob, or children of Israel. But there will be times after this point in history when He is only talking about the ten tribes in the north as Israel, separate from the house of Judah at Jerusalem. We are to mark those differences, because that's how to know who He is giving a specific prophecy to and about.

4 And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.
5 Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.
6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.

This was the alliance of the king of Israel (Pekah) with the king of Syria (Rezin) coming against the house of Judah at Jerusalem. The Syrians took the land of Elath, and the Jews there fled to Judea. Already we see God passing judgment upon Judah in the south because of Ahaz doing and allowing false worship among them.

7 So Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglath-pileser king of Assyria, saying, "I am thy servant and thy son: come up, and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria, and out of the hand of the king of Israel, which rise up against me."
8 And Ahaz took the silver and gold that was found in the house of the LORD, and in the treasures of the king's house, and sent it for a present to the king of Assyria.

King Ahaz of Judah did a terrible thing. Firstly, he forgot what God told him through Isaiah to not be concerned about the alliance of the king of Israel and the king of Syria against him. Ahaz failed to rely on God's help, even after what God told him. Instead look what he did. He petitioned help from the king of Assyria, and even took silver and gold out of God's House, and paid the king of Assyria with it!


9 And the king of Assyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin.
10 And king Ahaz went to Damascus to meet Tiglath-pileser king of Assyria, and saw an altar that was at Damascus: and king Ahaz sent to Urijah the priest the fashion of the altar, and the pattern of it, according to all the workmanship thereof.
11 And Urijah the priest built an altar according to all that king Ahaz had sent from Damascus: so Urijah the priest made it against king Ahaz came from Damascus.
12 And when the king was come from Damascus, the king saw the altar: and the king approached to the altar, and offered thereon.

Do you see what else Ahaz did there? He saw an altar in Damascus and sent Urijah the priest a blueprint of it which then built one like it, and sacrificed upon it, like in honor to the king of Assyria helping him against Rezin king of Syria!

13 And he burnt his burnt offering and his meat offering, and poured his drink offering, and sprinkled the blood of his peace offerings, upon the altar.
14 And he brought also the brasen altar, which was before the LORD, from the forefront of the house, from between the altar and the house of the LORD, and put it on the north side of the altar.
15 And king Ahaz commanded Urijah the priest, saying, Upon the great altar burn the morning burnt offering, and the evening meat offering, and the king's burnt sacrifice, and his meat offering, with the burnt offering of all the people of the land, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings; and sprinkle upon it all the blood of the burnt offering, and all the blood of the sacrifice: and the brasen altar shall be for me to inquire by.
16 Thus did Urijah the priest, according to all that king Ahaz commanded.

King Ahaz of Judah desolated God's Altar in His House at Jerusalem by using the brasen altar he had Urijah build from a pattern of the one he saw in Damascus.

17 And king Ahaz cut off the borders of the bases, and removed the laver from off them; and took down the sea from off the brasen oxen that were under it, and put it upon a pavement of stones.
18 And the covert for the sabbath that they had built in the house, and the king's entry without, turned he from the house of the LORD for the king of Assyria.

King Ahaz of Judah continued to desecrate God's House and the pattern of worship God set for His House in Jerusalem.


19 Now the rest of the acts of Ahaz which he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?
20 And Ahaz slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David: and Hezekiah his son reigned in his stead.
(KJV)

Ahaz died, and his son Hezekiah begins to reign as king of Judah at Jerusalem. The kings of Judah at Jerusalem were doing alright as long as they kept to proper worship of God in His House at Jerusalem. But as can be seen, when they started falling to the abominations of the nations around them, they got into big trouble.

 

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Now comes an important chapter in ten tribes history, a period marking when a good majority of the ten tribes of the house of Israel in the northern lands would be literally removed, and made captive by the kings of Assyria.

II Ki 17:1-41
1 In the twelfth year of Ahaz king of Judah began Hoshea the son of Elah to reign in Samaria over Israel nine years.
2 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, but not as the kings of Israel that were before him.

Now Hoshea begins to reign at Samaria over the kingdom of Israel (ten tribes in the northern lands).

3 Against him came up Shalmaneser king of Assyria; and Hoshea became his servant, and gave him presents.

The king of Assyria then came upon Israel (ten tribes) and king Hoshea of Israel gives him, basically a bribe as tribute.


4 And the king of Assyria found conspiracy in Hoshea: for he had sent messengers to So king of Egypt, and brought no present to the king of Assyria, as he had done year by year: therefore the king of Assyria shut him up, and bound him in prison.

The king of Assyria found Hoshea sending to So king of Egypt, kind of going around the back of the king of Assyria, so he lock up Hoshea.


5 Then the king of Assyria came up throughout all the land, and went up to Samaria, and besieged it three years.
6 In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes.

Then the king of Assyria besieged Samaria and took it, and carried away the ten tribes of the kingdom of Israel captive to Assyria and the cities of the Medes. This was the first captivity of the majority of Israelites since their time captive in Egypt. This captivity did not involve the house of Judah that still dwelt in the south at Judea. This was the second stage of the kings of Assyria removing the people of the ten tribes out of the northern holy lands, captive to Assyria. This captivity was a totally different captivity than what the house of Judah would experience later by the king of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah's days. We are to keep these this one apart from the one that Judah would experience around 130 years after this. Many archaeological artifacts exist to prove this separate captivity of the ten tribes to Assyrian, the Behistun Rock in northern Iraq being one the largest artifacts documenting it.


7 For so it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, Which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods,
8 And walked in the statutes of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel, and of the kings of Israel, which they had made.
9 And the children of Israel did secretly those things that were not right against the LORD their God, and they built them high places in all their cities, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city.
10 And they set them up images and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree:
11 And there they burnt incense in all the high places, as did the heathen whom the LORD carried away before them; and wrought wicked things to provoke the LORD to anger:
12 For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, "Ye shall not do this thing."

God finally got good and tired of Israel's false worship in the northern lands of the ten tribes. By doing this captivity, He kept His promise per Deut.4 and 28 that He would scatter Israel among the nations for falling away from Him to false worship.


13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep My commandments and My statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by My servants the prophets.
14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God.
15 And they rejected His statutes, and His covenant that He made with their fathers, and His testimonies which He testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.
16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him to anger.

No question that our Heavenly Father was Just in this, as He had given them much time to repent and change their ways against Him.


18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of His sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.

His anger was kindled by the House of Israel in the north at this time for their false worship. So He removed all the Israelites of the ten tribed northern kingdom of Israel out of the land. The tribe of Judah at Judea/Jerusalem only was left, which Judah is put for the "house of Judah", made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and small portions of ten tribe Israelites that went to live among Judah in the south.


19 Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made.
20 And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of His sight.

Judah had already started to fall to false worship at Jerusalem in this time, but they would not be removed at this point yet. It would be still around 130 years later after this when Judah's captivity to Babylon would happen. That would be when God would reject all the seed of Israel.


21 For He rent Israel from the house of David; and they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king: and Jeroboam drave Israel from following the LORD, and made them sin a great sin.
22 For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;
23 Until the LORD removed Israel out of His sight, as He had said by all His servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.

Note here how God refers to the ten tribes of Israel being separated from the house of David at Jerusalem, and setting up Jeroboam as king of Israel in the north. That is only about the ten tribes of house of Israel in the north, not Judah and the house of David that was still in the south at Jerusalem. Thus even at the time when this was later written down in 2 Kings, the ten tribes of Israel were still captive to the land of Assyria.


24 And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.

As the kings of Assyria had a custom of doing, they would conquer a land and remove the original dwellers, and supplant others in land in their stead. With all the ten tribes gone out of the northern lands, the king of Assyria moved peoples from five provinces of Babylon, each province having its very own god in false worship, and placed them in the northern lands of Samaria instead. These would become known as the Samaritans of New Testament times, Gentiles from the areas of Babylon.


25 And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they feared not the LORD: therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which slew some of them.
26 Wherefore they spake to the king of Assyria, saying, "The nations which thou hast removed, and placed in the cities of Samaria, know not the manner of the God of the land: therefore He hath sent lions among them, and, behold, they slay them, because they know not the manner of the God of the land."

Because those Samaritans were not familiar with worship of our Heavenly Father, He brought lions upon them.


27 Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, "Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land.
28 Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD."

The king of Assyria then commanded for an Israelite priest to go back to Samaria and teach them. What kind of Israelite priest would that have been? Most likely not a son of Levi, but one Jeroboam made of the common people from the ten tribes of Israel in the north to carry on false worship at the high places.

And the result?...

29 Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.
30 And the men of Babylon made Succothbenoth, and the men of Cuth made Nergal, and the men of Hamath made Ashima,
31 And the Avites made Nibhaz and Tartak, and the Sepharvites burnt their children in fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim.

Each peoples of those Samaritans from the areas of Babylon made their own false god and high place of false worship. The child sacrifices came back, and the very abominations that the ten tribes of Israel had been removed for doing.


32 So they feared the LORD, and made unto themselves of the lowest of them priests of the high places, which sacrificed for them in the houses of the high places.
33 They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence.
34 Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the LORD, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the LORD commanded the children of Jacob, whom He named Israel;
35 With whom the LORD had made a covenant, and charged them, saying, "Ye shall not fear other gods, nor bow yourselves to them, nor serve them, nor sacrifice to them":
36 But the LORD, Who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, Him shall ye fear, and Him shall ye worship, and to Him shall ye do sacrifice.
37 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which He wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.
38 And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.
39 But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and He shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.
40 Howbeit they did not hearken, but they did after their former manner.
41 So these nations feared the LORD, and served their graven images, both their children, and their children's children: as did their fathers, so do they unto this day.
(KJV)

Business as usual, by the new peoples the king of Assyria had moved into the northern lands of Israel after he had utterly removed the ten tribes captive to Assyria.

This was the reason why Judah still at Jerusalem kept their distance from the Samaritan peoples in the north. Judah knew who they were, and how they were not of Israel.

With the Samaritan woman our Lord Jesus met at Jacob's well in Samaria (John 4), she claimed Jacob as her ancestor. But Christ then asked her about her husband, and said she had had five previous husbands, and the one she was then living with was not her true husband. Our Lord Jesus was pointing to the Samaritan woman's real heritage as a Gentile from those five peoples the king of Assyria had planted in Samaria with her five husbands. Jesus even told her she worshipped she knew not what. She then proclaimed Christ, and our Lord Jesus revealed Himself to her as The Christ, an early pointer to how Salvation would also go to the Gentiles.

 

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When Christ returns ....If the king is Christ then it stands to reason Jews/Judah will come to accept Christ as their savior ...However he will do it on his time not ours ..[/color][/size]

23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will Save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

No it don't stand to reason that Jews/Judah will accept.....
you see what you and most people miss today is that the Jews were not Judah and are not of the Hebrews.
Its the greatest deception and propehcy that most fall to see.

JEWs according to 2nd Kings were living in Elath when Syria the Allies of Judah attacked and drove the Jews out of Elath.
Syrians were distant cousins of the Hebrews but allied with Judah and not the ten northern tribes.
Judah was ruling Jerusalem and Judea at this time.

Read it carefully ...Jews were a distinct people from Juda and a branch of Edomites.
Jews fulfill all the prophecies of Esua who vowed to steal back his inheritance and Rule the world.
Modern Jews are trying to control the entire world and doing a good job of it.


Jer 11:9 And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Notice Judah and the inhabitants are two groups.. but Judah should be the inhabitants of Jerusalam.



In the 2nd Century BC, prior to the Roman occupation of Judæa, the Idumæans (Edomites) were forcibly converted to the religion of the Israelites (known as Hebræism or Mosaism) by the Hasmonæan leader and High Priest, John Hyrcanus, who then gave them full citizenship (See Flavius Josephus’ Antiquities, book 13, chapter 9 ). Many of these Edomite converts rose to some of the highest positions of power within the Israelite religious hierarchy, eventually bastardizing it into what became known as Pharisaism and later progressed into Talmudism, and then into modern Judaism. Herod I, the half-Edomite usurper king of Judæa, removed nearly all of the legitimate Levite high priests in the Temple of Jerusalem and replaced them with his Idumæan kinsmen of the Pharisaical order, their leaders being his own sons. During the Herodian and Roman periods, “some twenty-eight high priests (only two of which were from families that had any legitimate claim) held office in little more than one century


Eze 11:15 Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession.

Those who stole Jerusalem were telling the Entire house of Israel to stay away that this is there land now.
EDOMITES / JEWS



“Edom is in Modern Jewry.” (The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41)



Irony?.. Modern Edomites who stole Israel and pretend to be Israel now own the land all the way down to old Elath(Eilat), their old home land in Edom.

Edom is Esua and vowed to take back the inheritance given to Jacob which makes them ruler of the world

Jesus told the Jews they were not of Abraham or else they would do as Abraham did.
He said they killed all the prophets starting with Abel,, which means Jews are Cains Seed., The serpent seed or children of Satan according to Christ..
Is it any wonder most Jews don't accept Christ? Some became Jews by conversion to Judaism which is Luciferian.


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[veteran]

TheWarIs1,

what you're actually talking about are the 'false Jews' that Christ pointed out in Rev.2 & 3.

It's the "crept in unawares" Message of Jude 1; the "tares" Message in Matt.13.

The word 'Jew' does come from true Judah, the tribe of Judah. There are true Jews of the tribe of Judah, and then there are false Jews that are of foreign birth that took the name.

But today, anyone can become a Jew, for it's now about following the religion of the Jews. But originally, the word Jew specifically meant those of the tribe of Judah, and then the tribes of Benjamin and Levi joined with them, along with some small numbers of northern tribe Israelites that moved to Judea and refused what king Jeroboam was doing.

 

[TheWarIs1]

Yes I think onto the truth here that so few today are aware of.
Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

I believe the Jews came form Edom and displaced Judah..
In Macrabees the Hycrnus converted Jews to the religion which was against the Laws to do.
Later the converts took over.



When Babylon captured and took Judah to Babel Scripture says Idumeans(other strain of Jews or Esua) plundered Jerusalem and Judaea and moved to Hebrew
they helped send their long time enemy Judah to Babylon..( in scripture.. must find that one again.. Have it written in my notes.)

Sephavium were from Close to Babylon and sent by the king to fill the land of Samaria.
Today they are known as Sephardi Jews and not loved by Askenazi.. >>> NAZI
Askenazi were behind the NAZI movement.
Askenazis were behind the Bolsheviks revolution in Russia.
Most people are unaware that Russia was a big allie with the USA before this time and Russia was ruled by the Germanic Hessian bloodline, relatives of British Kings..

They were a very similar country before Esua (which means RED) took over.

Red Communism is Jewish/Esau.





Eze 11:15 Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession.
those that took over the city were telling Gods chosen to stay awy it is there land now. >>> JEWs/Idumeans were telling the returning Judah not to come here.
there are more scriptures on this.. the JEWs set up the walls and it was not there job

Very Few returned to Judaea and then they met Jews filling the land.
Yes some may have become Jews through conversion.

Eze 35:5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
Eze 35:6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
Eze 35:7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.

those on Mount Seir were Jews.


Eze 36:5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

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Ioudaios is the Greek word for Judaean and has been falsely translalted as Jew.

-aios suffix means "belonging to"
the land was known as Judaea and should be Judaean.

the word Juda was written in NT as Juda
Greek word Iouda ee-oo-dah'

Add -aios and it Juda should be Judaean- this was common mistranslations in NT.

Jews influenced much of the NT modern Translations because the mystery was not known to many.
Martin Luther knew to the conspiracy and deception.

Christ told Paul to get out of Jerusalem, there was no point in him trying to reach the people t here. New scripture?

Jews have confused the issue of Jewishness.





2Ki 19:31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

Thee went on to Egypt and then to Ireland/Scotland by wasy of Spain

Notice Judus was from lower Judaea and area known for Jews
he was called son of perdition... that is what Esau's kin are today too.
"sons of destruction".They are destroying out culture and admit they do this in every land they take over.


Jesus said he came for the lost tribes of Israel and told his disciples to go to them only. Mat 15:24
These are the ones White people that accepted the gospel first and took it to the world.
it was the Israelites mission to do that.,





"Edom is in modern Jewry." —The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol.5, p.41

Yes many Jews were converts to Judism just like Saul/Paul.
but I believe many are turning to Christianity since many were probably of the lost tribes.


God will separate the wheat from the chaff which are vessels fit for destruction. Cains Seed/Canaanites/Edomites/Idumeans/Hittites/Moabites/O'Temam/Ottoman






Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish* fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

* Jewish above is the word Ioudaikos
ee-oo-dah-ee-kos'

From G2453; Judaic, that is, resembling a Judaean: - Jewish.
They only resemble Judaeans!


Esua is in the house and fulfilling his vow to take back his birthright from Jacob.
the birthright would make him ruler of the world which was sold to Jacob


Jews own the media and now control most white countries to today.
They hate Whites/Jacob
They are subduing the White male power in the USA today and are respsonbile for putting Obama in power,, he is their puppet.


It is really amazing how the scriptures point out the the problem/enemy of God and Jacob and God is using them during this time of Jacobs trouble.
the same enemy killed all the prophets of God and Christ, the son of Yahweh..

Sadly most Christians are ignorant.


My people perish for lack of knowledge.

 

[veteran]

I understand what you're talking about, but I have to disagree with parts you have wrong. Josephus declared when the title of Jew began to be used with the returning remnant of the "house of Judah" after the 70 years captivity to Babylon. Many of the bondservants of the Canaanites went into the Babylon captivity along with Judah, and returned with them to Judea. And then anyone living in the land took the name. Within that still was a group of bloodline house of Judah, as recorded in the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah. This is why Apostle Paul would also claim to be from that returning remnant, being of the tribe of Benjamin. Also, don't forget God's promise to the house of Judah in 1 Kings 11, that He would always leave one tribe of Israel in Jerusalem for the sake of His servant David, and for Jerusalem's sake.

 

[TheWarIs1]

I'm sure some mixed in
a Edomimte mixture would take 4 generations before being allowed in Israel, according to gods law,
But 1 kings 11 doesn't appear to be saying what you've come to believe.
look at a few things here



It looks like the 10 tribes were taken from Solomons rule because he disobeyed and was given to Jeroboam.
and Judah was left in Jerusalem at that time for Davids sake..

1Ki 11:36 and to his son I give one tribe, for there being a lamp to David My servant all the days before Me in Jerusalem, the city that I have chosen to Myself to put My name there.
I'm guessing this is what you were talking about. It sounds like what he was saying but there hasn't always been a tribe in Jerusalem has there?
There have been long periods where no Israelites were in Israel. A promise of God can't fail!
So.... with that in mind lets investigate a bit closer..


the word used for Alway, not plural in any translation I checked comes from the Hebrew word,
kôl kôl
kole, kole

It means Whole or Make. It doesn't appear to mean Always.

According to Matthew Henry's commentary he says the Tribe of Judah was to be a lamp in honor of David for the rest of Solomons life and not alway and Jeroboam was not to attempt to take Rulership of Juda til after Solomons death and then he could try.
But the next chapter after Solomons death Jeroboam tried to get Rehoiboam to drop the heavy yoke that Solomon had placed on them and wanted Rehoboam to rule all 12 tribes again.




Benjamin was not mentioned with Judah according to Henry because they were so small compared to Judah., At that time
But obviously in the next chapter Ben was with Judah as they mounted up to go to war against Israel until a prophet told them "God said no war against your brethren".
And they stepped down and listened to God.


Judah held the Sceptre til Christ came..

 

[veteran]

I'm sure some mixed in
a Edomimte mixture would take 4 generations before being allowed in Israel, according to gods law,
But 1 kings 11 doesn't appear to be saying what you've come to believe.
look at a few things here

It looks like the 10 tribes were taken from Solomons rule because he disobeyed and was given to Jeroboam.
and Judah was left in Jerusalem at that time for Davids sake..

1Ki 11:36 and to his son I give one tribe, for there being a lamp to David My servant all the days before Me in Jerusalem, the city that I have chosen to Myself to put My name there.
I'm guessing this is what you were talking about. It sounds like what he was saying but there hasn't always been a tribe in Jerusalem has there?
There have been long periods where no Israelites were in Israel. A promise of God can't fail!
So.... with that in mind lets investigate a bit closer..


the word used for

Alway, not plural in any translation I checked comes from the Hebrew word,
kôl kôl
kole, kole

It means Whole or Make. It doesn't appear to mean Always.

kol means the 'whole' indeed, but what's the other Hebrew word rendered with it (3117)? It's yowm, which is put for a time, days, etc. Thus together it is 'whole days', or 'all days', or even 'all time'.

Jer 40:6-7
6 Then went Jeremiah unto Gedaliah the son of Ahikam to Mizpah; and dwelt with him among the people that were left in the land.
7 Now when all the captains of the forces which were in the fields, even they and their men, heard that the king of Babylon had made Gedaliah the son of Ahikam governor in the land, and had committed unto him men, and women, and children, and of the poor of the land, of them that were not carried away captive to Babylon;
(KJV)

Not absolutely everyone of the tribe of Judah was carried captive to Babylon. Thus God kept His promise that there would always be a light in Jerusalem for David His servants sake, and for Jerusalem's sake. That also was what the return of a remnant from Babylon was about, with God continuing to keep that promise, as also with Israel becoming a nation again in 1948. Remnants of Judah were returning to Jerusalem centuries before 1948 also.

Judah held the Sceptre til Christ came..

According to Gen.49:10, Judah is STILL in possession of David's throne on earth today, even all the way up to Christ's return. It's just no longer in Jerusalem and that's all. The Gen.49:10 prophecy includes the gathering of the people to Christ Jesus (Shiloh). That did not occur at Christ's first coming, for that gathering of the people is about the gathering of both houses of Israel to the land and made a kingdom again like in David's days (two sticks prophecy of Ezek.37).

 

[TheWarIs1]

Ezr 3 tells that the people of Judea were taken to Babylon. The kings sent people to fill the void in the land of Samaria. And then word was sent..
Sephvarvium was the name of these and they are known as Separdic Jews today.
Askenazi's are so fond of these jews.





Ezr 4:12 Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

The Jews which had came from the King of Babylon were in rebellion rebuilding the city of Jerusalem. This isn't their City to build. It is the City of God and the Hebrews place to rebuild it which Zerubabble the Isrealite was planning on doing. Zerubable was an ancestor of Christ.

Edom were mortal enemies of Judah and helped persecute Judah and send them to Babylon..

It seems the lamp in honor of David was a ruler of Judah there.
No ruler has ruled in Jerusalem.

During the Crusades, both Muslims and Jews in Palestine were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery


Yes Day is there and with the other they could mean Every Day...

Youngs literal
1Ki 11:36 and to his son I give one tribe, for there being a lamp to David My servant all the days before Me in Jerusalem,

possibly .....
and to his son I give one tribe, for there being a lamp to David (who was ?) My servant every day before Me in Jerusalem,


this could be taken wrong and meaning that David was his servant all his days before God in Jerusalem.

I just don't believe Judah was there as a lamp in Jerusalem all these years.




The two sticks have joined and it's very noticeable.

this is a symbol of the two sticks here in the Scottish and English coat of Arms.
Judah and Ephraim.

It's called the Union Jack (anglicized version of Jacob)

Shlama

 

[veteran]

Ezr 3 tells that the people of Judea were taken to Babylon. The kings sent people to fill the void in the land of Samaria. And then word was sent..
Sephvarvium was the name of these and they are known as Separdic Jews today.
Askenazi's are so fond of these jews.

Ezr 4:12 Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

The Jews which had came from the King of Babylon were in rebellion rebuilding the city of Jerusalem. This isn't their City to build. It is the City of God and the Hebrews place to rebuild it which Zerubabble the Isrealite was planning on doing. Zerubable was an ancestor of Christ.

I think you've missed the point of who that letter in Ezra 4 was written by, and who it was against.

Ezra 4:11-16
11 This is the copy of the letter that they sent unto him, even unto Artaxerxes the king; Thy servants the men on this side the river, and at such a time.
12 Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

Those specifically named peoples in the Ezra 4:4-10 verses are not these Jews of this verse. These "Jews" of this verse are the returning remnant of the house of Judah that were intent upon rebuilding Jerusalem and the temple per Cyrus' command. These "Jews" include those like Zerubbabel which returned from the Babylon captivity per God's decree.

Edom were mortal enemies of Judah and helped persecute Judah and send them to Babylon..

I understand what Edom did, what they represent, and who they are.

It seems the lamp in honor of David was a ruler of Judah there.
No ruler has ruled in Jerusalem.

That's how some interpret the 1 Kings 11:36 passage, thinking it was only meant for kings of Judah after God's split of Israel into two separate kingdoms. But the returning remnant of the "house of Judah" back to the land, and Israel becoming a nation again reveals more of it involving Jerusalem and a portion of the true tribe of Judah there.

During the Crusades, both Muslims and Jews in Palestine were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery


Yes Day is there and with the other they could mean Every Day...

Youngs literal
1Ki 11:36 and to his son I give one tribe, for there being a lamp to David My servant all the days before Me in Jerusalem,

possibly .....
and to his son I give one tribe, for there being a lamp to David (who was ?) My servant

every day before Me in Jerusalem,


this could be taken wrong and meaning that David was his servant all his days before God in Jerusalem.

I just don't believe Judah was there as a lamp in Jerusalem all these years.

I do believe it. And it's purpose is really to show how God is not going to let His enemies have total control of it, regardless of the generation. That the majority of Judah there in Jerusalem still refuse Christ Jesus is another matter, not involving that specific promise of 1 Kings 11.

The two sticks have joined and it's very noticeable.

this is a symbol of the two sticks here in the Scottish and English coat of Arms.
Judah and Ephraim.

It's called the Union Jack (anglicized version of Jacob)

Shlama

The joining of the house of David with the house of Ephraim in the West is not the fulfillment of the two sticks prophecy of Ezek.37. What you're talking about is the joining of the two branches of Judah, the line of Pharez (David's) with the line of Zarah, both sons of Judah per Genesis 38. That's fulfillment of the Gen.49:10 prophecy that Judah was to keep the royal sceptre until Christ's return. That's a different prophecy than Ezek.37 about the two sticks...


Ezek 37:21-28
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

The two houses of Israel are the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel" per God's Word. The "house of Israel" (ten tribes) is still under the stick of Ephraim today. And the "house of Judah" is still under the stick of Judah, even though many of Judah dwell among Ephraim today. But that stick of Judah is represented by the "house of Judah" in Jerusalem today, not Judah that is living among Ephraim.

The whole have yet to be gathered back to the original lands of God's promise to their fathers. They are still... two separate nations today, one in the middleast, and the other in the west. Ephraim has many kings, not just one. And the house of Judah in Jerusalem has no king. There's to be one KING to them all when this happens, and That KING is our Lord Jesus Christ when He returns. That's what this gathering of the two sticks into one stick is about, the gathering to Shiloh (Christ) mentioned in the Gen.49:10 prophecy.


23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be My people, and I will be their God.
24 And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.

That has yet to be fulfilled with either 'house' today. Lot of Israel are still following after Baal today, both in the middleast and in the west. Neither is that One Shepherd manifest here on earth yet for both houses. The majority of Judah still refuse Christ today, as likewise with quite a few of the ten tribes. The house of Israel (ten tribes) in the west act as Gentiles today, disregarding God's judgments and statutes, so that's another time marker showing that is yet to occur.


25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and My servant David shall be their prince for ever.

That part about their dwelling in the lands God gave their fathers is very specific, even as you've shown by what you said about the Edomites having taken those lands over today. The fulfillment of that verse is shown later in Ezekiel 47-48 with the 12 tribes established in toto back to the lands God promised their fathers, including Abraham. That Scripture time is after Christ's return during His Millennium reign.


26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
(KJV)

Those verses too are very specific about after Christ's return and the gathering of the people to Him. That's when that sanctuary will be placed again in Jerusalem among gathered Israel, and definitely not the temple the orthodox Jews intend to build today prior to Christ's return.

 

[TheWarIs1]

I think you've missed the point of who that letter in Ezra 4 was written by, and who it was against.

Ezra 4:11-16
11 This is the copy of the letter that they sent unto him, even unto Artaxerxes the king; Thy servants the men on this side the river, and at such a time.
12 Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

Those specifically named peoples in the Ezra 4:4-10 verses are not these Jews of this verse. These "Jews" of this verse are the returning remnant of the house of Judah that were intent upon rebuilding Jerusalem and the temple per Cyrus' command. These "Jews" include those like Zerubbabel which returned from the Babylon captivity per God's decree.

Yes I believe you're correct here.
Why do you suppose it was called the rebellious and bad city?

That's how some interpret the 1 Kings 11:36 passage, thinking it was only meant for kings of Judah after God's split of Israel into two separate kingdoms. But the returning remnant of the "house of Judah" back to the land, and Israel becoming a nation again reveals more of it involving Jerusalem and a portion of the true tribe of Judah there.

Idumeans and Edomites wanted the land too. And since the JEWs have have no real Homeland for eons they needed somewhere to place their hat.
And look at all the benefits of creating a place called Israel.

I do believe it. And it's purpose is really to show how God is not going to let His enemies have total control of it, regardless of the generation. That the majority of Judah there in Jerusalem still refuse Christ Jesus is another matter, not involving that specific promise of 1 Kings 11.

Christ told Paul in the spirit of course, to flee Jerusalem that it wouldn't do him any good there.
Christ came back for the lost tribes and that was really members of all 12 tribes as per James 1.
It don't sound like there were any really Judah members there or there would have been a chance of converting some.
it was the lost tribes that accepted the Gospel first and took it to the world..

The joining of the house of David with the house of Ephraim in the West is not the fulfillment of the two sticks prophecy of Ezek.37. What you're talking about is the joining of the two branches of Judah, the line of Pharez (David's) with the line of Zarah, both sons of Judah per Genesis 38. That's fulfillment of the Gen.49:10 prophecy that Judah was to keep the royal sceptre until Christ's return. That's a different prophecy than Ezek.37 about the two sticks...

The coat of Arms is Ephraim and Judah just like in the following verse.
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.


The repair of the breach was said to have taken place in Ireland and Scotland with Tia Telphi.
Did the breech of Zarah/ Pheraz get repaired there.. ?

How did the Stone of Destiny get there?
Jeremiahs mission was to pluck up and plant. Did he plant Israel in a new place? There bible doesn't tell us where he went after Egypt.
I'm certain he didn't plant in Egypt.
Did he just disappear?

this was supposedly his mission below.

2Sa 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

Move no more.. why must they return to Israel if they are to move no more?
Is there a conflict in scriptures? naaa
so what is the solution then?


I suppose both are possible. The New land where they will move no more + the Land of Israel.
they will many of Abraham's seed to fulfill all this.

Ezek 37:21-28
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

The two houses of Israel are the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel" per God's Word. The "house of Israel" (ten tribes) is still under the stick of Ephraim today. And the "house of Judah" is still under the stick of Judah, even though many of Judah dwell among Ephraim today. But that stick of Judah is represented by the "house of Judah" in Jerusalem today, not Judah that is living among Ephraim.

The whole have yet to be gathered back to the original lands of God's promise to their fathers. They are still... two separate nations today, one in the middleast, and the other in the west. Ephraim has many kings, not just one. And the house of Judah in Jerusalem has no king. There's to be one KING to them all when this happens, and That KING is our Lord Jesus Christ when He returns. That's what this gathering of the two sticks into one stick is about, the gathering to Shiloh (Christ) mentioned in the Gen.49:10 prophecy.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be My people, and I will be their God.
24 And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.

That has yet to be fulfilled with either 'house' today. Lot of Israel are still following after Baal today, both in the middleast and in the west. Neither is that One Shepherd manifest here on earth yet for both houses. The majority of Judah still refuse Christ today, as likewise with quite a few of the ten tribes. The house of Israel (ten tribes) in the west act as Gentiles today, disregarding God's judgments and statutes, so that's another time marker showing that is yet to occur.


25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and My servant David shall be their prince for ever.

That part about their dwelling in the lands God gave their fathers is very specific, even as you've shown by what you said about the Edomites having taken those lands over today. The fulfillment of that verse is shown later in Ezekiel 47-48 with the 12 tribes established in toto back to the lands God promised their fathers, including Abraham. That Scripture time is after Christ's return during His Millennium reign.

You say 10 tribes but James said all 12 tribes were living abroad.
1:1. James, the servant of our God and Lord Jesus Christ, to the Twelve Tribes that are sown among the nations, shalom.

1 Peter even told where many of them were at the time.
/.. to the chosen and the settlers that are sown in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithymia, the 7 churches of Asia minor were there.
They were in the process of heading west. After they mostly moved west the churches fell into Pagan hands.

Paul made a reference to the Corinthians as being his brethren whose Fathers were baptized with Moses in the desert -- crossing of the red sea was a symbolic baptism. .

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
(KJV)

Those verses too are very specific about after Christ's return and the gathering of the people to Him. That's when that sanctuary will be placed again in Jerusalem among gathered Israel, and definitely not the temple the orthodox Jews intend to build today prior to Christ's return.

It all seems so vague. Esau wiped most his Abrahamic bloodline by mixing with Canaanites.
It was wrong for an Israelite to mix with Esua and couldn't be considered a part of Israel for 4 generations.
To mix with some took 10 generations.. (or never since no one would remember that far)
It would seem that any of Judah would be mixed to the point of being compete bastards(Mamzers or mixed) today.

Mal 1:4. And if the Edomites say that we have become impoverished, 'Let us go back and rebuild the ruins' -- thus said the Lord, "they shall build and I shall destroy." And they shall call them the dynasty of sin and the nation that the Lord shall be angry towards forever.*
Peshitta reads "To the end of the universe"

the vessels fit for destruction?
Certainly Yahweh will sift the wheat form the Chaff.


Some predominate Jews today admit to being naturally destructive to a society where ever they go and even with parasitic tendencies.
They fit the "Sons of Perdition" profile


Judas was from lower Judaea and called "son of perdition" by Eashoa(Jesus) the messiah.


Other than the Sarmaitans who were Sepharvium and sent by the Babylon king.
There isn't many reports of Judaeans living there since 70AD.

Again It doesn't appear that a few of members of Judah are much of a shining light there in honor of David if they were there.


Shlama

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[TheWarIs1]

Mathias 24:33. "O, serpents, offspring of vipers, how will you run from the judgment of Gehenna?
Was it scripturally lawful or legitimate to render harsh rebuke and exaggerated words at them or were these people the true descendants of serpents
going back to Cain and the serpents seed who killed the first prophet Abel and relatives of all those who killed the prophets as he described?
I think the latter is correct.


It seems that when ever Scribes and Pharsees showed up in any even large numbers Christ immediately starting hammering away at them.
They were misleading many peoples.



Mathias 3:7. However, as he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to be baptized, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who showed you to run from the wrath that is coming?
the Aramaic Pehi-tta says they were coming to be baptized which would give a better impression that they were trying to flee the wrath.

He didn't just let them be baptized no he told them to straighten up and be worthy of grace. .
They were still called offspring or brood of serpents and I doubt they were interested in baptism at that point.


The time of Jacobs trouble past, present or future tense?



I do believe that the Eastern Aramaic version is the primacy of the NT scriptures, a.k.a the Peshitta, meaning Straight which is believed to be the original and pure NT scripture by some.
It is written in the native Galilean tongue of Christ an his disciples.

The Peshitta is the only NT scriptures to contain many idioms and word plays like the original OT scriptures.
Only a language written by someone very familiar with all the customs and language could write in such fashion.
it would be nearly impossible to translate from Greek to Aramaic and throw in the idioms and word plays while retaining the original meanings..

there are well know errors in two Greek versions that are impossible be to be explained until you see that they derived from a translation of the Aramaic with an ambiguous meaning that was mistranslated improperly in one of the Greek text by someone less familiar with Aramaic..
Only the Peshitta has the solution which again proves the primacy.

No other translations have these marks of original authenticity.

its very interesting to examine these scriptures for they do contain gems of the Galilean customs/Language and corrections to Western misunderstandings.
They also settle several translation errors that Scholars could never solve.


Peshitta Forum
if interested

Shlama



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[veteran]

Yes I believe you're correct here.
Why do you suppose it was called the rebellious and bad city?

It was those pagan idolatrous peoples of Babylon in the land that were calling Jerusalem that. It was because of Israel's history of making a stand against the nations around them, and God was with them, so God's enemies hated them all the more, just like it is today.

Idumeans and Edomites wanted the land too. And since the JEWs have have no real Homeland for eons they needed somewhere to place their hat.
And look at all the benefits of creating a place called Israel.

Remember, Cain, Ishmael, and Esau, were all 'firstborns'. And Esau took wives of both the Canaanites and of Ishmael. Even Judah and Ephraim are jealous of each other because of the Birthright (Isa.11:13). Israel becoming a nation again in the land was by God's hand to fulfill prophecy like Jer.24, but also per the New World Order host's working too through the U.N., which also was prophecy. It's all working out according to His Plan.

Christ told Paul in the spirit of course, to flee Jerusalem that it wouldn't do him any good there.
Christ came back for the lost tribes and that was really members of all 12 tribes as per James 1.
It don't sound like there were any really Judah members there or there would have been a chance of converting some.
it was the lost tribes that accepted the Gospel first and took it to the world..

Christ's Apostles were true Israelites. Lot of Judah there accepted Christ at His first coming, likewise with many of Judah among the nations the Apostles went to among the ten tribes. The corruption of Jerusalem in that time centers around the religious groups of Pharisees and Sadduccees, scribes (Kenites), and priests (some of Levi, some of Nethinims, some of Idumea). God had closed the eyes of many there so His Plan would be fulfilled. But not all the Jews refused Christ then, and it's only fair that we keep that in mind.

The coat of Arms is Ephraim and Judah just like in the following verse.
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

That coat of arms you posted is about the king lines of Pharez and Zarah, not the whole "house of Judah". The stick of Judah is about the "house of Judah" as separate from the "house of Israel".

The repair of the breach was said to have taken place in Ireland and Scotland with Tia Telphi.
Did the breech of Zarah/ Pheraz get repaired there.. ?

I think so, and it had to do with The Gospel of Jesus Christ eventually.

How did the Stone of Destiny get there?
Jeremiahs mission was to pluck up and plant. Did he plant Israel in a new place? There bible doesn't tell us where he went after Egypt.
I'm certain he didn't plant in Egypt.
Did he just disappear?

this was supposedly his mission below.

2Sa 7:10

Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

Move no more.. why must they return to Israel if they are to move no more?
Is there a conflict in scriptures? naaa
so what is the solution then?

That prophecy is about the gathering to Christ Jesus in final. It has not happened yet. Study Hosea about this also, and compare Paul's quotes from Hosea in the Book of Romans. It involves believing Gentiles too. Ah! That's why there's still yet another move when Christ returns.

You say 10 tribes but James said all 12 tribes were living abroad.
1:1. James, the servant of our God and Lord Jesus Christ, to the Twelve Tribes that are sown among the nations, shalom.

1 Peter even told where many of them were at the time.
/.. to the chosen and the settlers that are sown in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithymia, the 7 churches of Asia minor were there.
They were in the process of heading west. After they mostly moved west the churches fell into Pagan hands.

Paul made a reference to the Corinthians as being his brethren whose Fathers were baptized with Moses in the desert -- crossing of the red sea was a symbolic baptism. .

All 12 twelves have been scattered (per God's promise of Deut.4 & 28 for not following Him). The Books of Ezra and Nehemiah are only about a small returning remnant of the "house of Judah" from the Babylon captivity. The majority of the "house of Judah" (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi) chose to stay... in Babylon. Prophecy in Ezekiel then showed those who stayed would be further scattered through the nations from Babylon (Ezek.6:8).

It all seems so vague. Esau wiped most his Abrahamic bloodline by mixing with Canaanites.
It was wrong for an Israelite to mix with Esua and couldn't be considered a part of Israel for 4 generations.
To mix with some took 10 generations.. (or never since no one would remember that far)
It would seem that any of Judah would be mixed to the point of being compete bastards(Mamzers or mixed) today.

Many of the ten tribes have mixed up their Israelite lines too, so it's not just about Judah doing it in the past. When God scattered the ten tribes, they lost their heritage as Israelites, and they became as Gentiles to themselves and to the world. Kind of makes what Paul taught about Christ's Church being spiritual Israel have more meaning, doesn't it?

Mal 1:4. And if the Edomites say that we have become impoverished, 'Let us go back and rebuild the ruins' -- thus said the Lord, "they shall build and I shall destroy." And they shall call them the dynasty of sin and the nation that the Lord shall be angry towards forever.*
Peshitta reads "To the end of the universe"

the vessels fit for destruction?
Certainly Yahweh will sift the wheat form the Chaff.


Some predominate Jews today admit to being naturally destructive to a society where ever they go and even with parasitic tendencies.
They fit the "Sons of Perdition" profile


Judas was from lower Judaea and called "son of perdition" by Eashoa(Jesus) the messiah.


Other than the Sarmaitans who were Sepharvium and sent by the Babylon king.
There isn't many reports of Judaeans living there since 70AD.

Again It doesn't appear that a few of members of Judah are much of a shining light there in honor of David if they were there.


Shlama

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Lot of the Jews were taken into captivity by the Romans and sold into slavery. That's true. Yet Christians were still there even after 70 A.D.

 

[TheWarIs1]

It was those pagan idolatrous peoples of Babylon in the land that were calling Jerusalem that. It was because of Israel's history of making a stand against the nations around them, and God was with them, so God's enemies hated them all the more, just like it is today.

that makes sense

Remember, Cain, Ishmael, and Esau, were all 'firstborns'. And Esau took wives of both the Canaanites and of Ishmael. Even Judah and Ephraim are jealous of each other because of the Birthright (Isa.11:13). Israel becoming a nation again in the land was by God's hand to fulfill prophecy like Jer.24, but also per the New World Order host's working too through the U.N., which also was prophecy. It's all working out according to His Plan.

I'm aware of these things. It makes me wonder if that is the reason the English have oppressed the Irish for so long. They have always kept Ireland down.
Much friction between the English and Scots too.

Sadly people just don't make much effort to get along with others even when closely related.

Christ's Apostles were true Israelites. Lot of Judah there accepted Christ at His first coming, likewise with many of Judah among the nations the Apostles went to among the ten tribes. The corruption of Jerusalem in that time centers around the religious groups of Pharisees and Sadduccees, scribes (Kenites), and priests (some of Levi, some of Nethinims, some of Idumea). God had closed the eyes of many there so His Plan would be fulfilled. But not all the Jews refused Christ then, and it's only fair that we keep that in mind.

How do you link Saduccess to Kenties? just curious

Know how they got the name Sadducee?
They didn't believe in an afterlife therefore they were Sad, u see?
Okay back to serious now

That coat of arms you posted is about the king lines of Pharez and Zarah, not the whole "house of Judah". The stick of Judah is about the "house of Judah" as separate from the "house of Israel".

NO the coat of arms has the unicorn associated with Ephraim and Lion of Judah on it.

goggle it and look close at them.
the old Irish Coat of Arms has Judah and Naphtali symbol the Rampant Deer or Stag on on it.



the old North Ireland Flag has the red Hand of Phraze on the star of David with Israels royal crown.

Irish Flags


the British Flag has symbols of Yahwehs protection on it.

Many of the ten tribes have mixed up their Israelite lines too, so it's not just about Judah doing it in the past. When God scattered the ten tribes, they lost their heritage as Israelites, and they became as Gentiles to themselves and to the world. Kind of makes what Paul taught about Christ's Church being spiritual Israel have more meaning, doesn't it?

Lot of the Jews were taken into captivity by the Romans and sold into slavery. That's true. Yet Christians were still there even after 70 A.D.

IF so then most were real Judeans I presume.




Have you investigated the Aramaic scriptures?

 

[veteran]

How do you link Saduccess to Kenties? just curious

I didn't. Notice the comma of separation before "scribes (Kenites)". The Kenites of Jabaz were the scribes at the time of Jesus' first coming.

NO the coat of arms has the unicorn associated with Ephraim and Lion of Judah on it.

goggle it and look close at them.
the old Irish Coat of Arms has Judah and Naphtali symbol the Rampant Deer or Stag on on it.

the old North Ireland Flag has the red Hand of Phraze on the star of David with Israels royal crown.

Irish Flags

Ephraim and the house of David are joined, not Ephraim and the "house of Judah". There's a difference. God separated the house of David from the "house of Judah" in Jerusalem. That's what the Babylon captivity was about. The "house of Judah" is still without a king today.

Ezek 37:16
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
(KJV)

Ezek 37:19
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
(KJV)

This is how we know that prophecy has not come to pass yet. "Judah" is put for the "house of Judah" in Jerusalem, and those of Judah in the countries that seek to Jerusalem (orthodox Jewry). When the small remnant of the "house of Judah" returned to Jerusalem after their 70 years captivity to Babylon, they rebuilt Jerusalem and the temple, but they had no king of the house of David, and still don't. That's how "Judah" is meant in that Ezek.37 prophecy.

IF so then most were real Judeans I presume.

They were mostly of a remnant of the "house of Judah", yes, Christ's Church at Jerusalem.

Have you investigated the Aramaic scriptures?

Like the Syriac Peshitta? No.