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DuckieLady

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But you mastered אֵ (Aleph), right? :p

I can read a little bit of Greek. My brother who's working on his Masters degree in Theology sent me a couple of textbooks to keep me occupied while I recovered from open heart surgery. You may have just inspired me to go back and complete my studies. ;)

I helped my wife put together a poster for our church's Vacation Bible School showing the Hebrew alphabet (or should I say, aleph-bet?) and the Hebrew rendering of the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4). Our Associate Pastor ran it past a Rabbi friend of hers; the Rabbi blessed it and said my wife did a superb job with the lettering. However, the Rabbi took issue with the KJV translation of the Shema which I used for the source:

6:4 שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

should read

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one:

That took a little bit of white-out to fix.

The Rabbi asked to keep the chart after VBS was over. My wife was so proud!
lol Just mastered a little bit - and haven't really become acquainted with the dots at all. Very cool! Must be a very interesting study. :D That must have been a lot of work. I can see why she was proud!
 
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Can you make out any discernible difference to the meaning of those two translations? Is one more correct for some reason?

I couldn't see any real difference to what is being stated. In the second version, 'the Lord' is repeated, and 'our God.' is defining who 'The LORD' is. So you can eliminate the first part of it 'The LORD our God, ...' and just have the second part meaning the same thing. '... the LORD is one.'

In other words, 'The LORD our God is one LORD' is exactly the same meaning as 'the LORD is one.'

Do you see it differently?

As long as you understand it as showing that the Godhead is one Jehovah(triunity) and not the counterfeit triads that Satan made in the pagan cultures.
 

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I said nothing of the kind. The proper way to read God's Word is with God's Spirit.

Translations are not pure. Odd for you to invoke Strawman and to suppose that means I am claiming something blasphemous about God.

The KJV is now the worst translation available in English. The best translation might be Italian but I don't speak Italian - and no one today speaks the 16th century king's English.
Okay, but you still have God's word in limbo, subject to modern opinions of hand me down opinions of the latest PHD's commentaries.
 

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This thread went a bit edgy.

I don't see what the big deal is. In every book it still says Christ is King! The point is the gospel and the gospel is still clear in every version.

@Pearl for daily reading, I use the NIV. I believe it is good enough.

But if I'm doing a study or trying to understand a particular verse or make sense of it, I'll go further back into the KJV, Geneva, concordance, or much older commentaries.

The differences in translation are not much.
 

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Actually I do take it literally as far as I believe it is meant to be. If you mean six days of creation, they relate to a prophesy of six 1000 year periods which are drawing to a close as we speak. When Jesus returns, man will finally be made in God's image, creation will be complete and we will enter the Sabbath.
Why does it say He rested?
 

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And you tell lies, because I NEVER said that Christ's faithful Church misses the supper He is going to provide at His return.

That supper just so happens is going to be ON EARTH, IN JERUSALEM AFTER HIS FUTURE RETURN. If you had taken time to 'read' the Zechariah 14 Chapter which shows where Jesus returns to WITH His faithful Church, then you would have known this. But go ahead, keep playing church and being deceived by false teachers instead of staying in God's Word as written. As long as you are rebellious against His Word, you deserve... to be deceived by the devil.

LOL. The supper is in Rev 19 in heaven....

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
 

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As long as you understand it as showing that the Godhead is one Jehovah(triunity) and not the counterfeit triads that Satan made in the pagan cultures.
No.

I understand it as showing what it plainly states. It states absolutely nothing about a 'Godhead', nor anything about any 'triunity'.

The Lord is one is all that it is declaring. It states nothing more. There's literally nothing else there but that.

No need to hash it all up, though. I understand you believe differently.
 

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I agree that Adam was in His image, not Eve. So were they individuals or do you think they are all people?


But she only became that after the fall and hence got her name. Before the fall she was just "woman" Adam's name didn't change. The fall was an essential part of God's plan.


? Okay
They were individuals, Eve originating from a part of Adam.

God did not plan the fall, but foresaw it.

God planned the remedy for the fall that He foresaw.

The lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, which all sacrifices from the first one, memorialized.
 
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This thread went a bit edgy.

I don't see what the big deal is. In every book it still says Christ is King! The point is the gospel and the gospel is still clear in every version.

@Pearl for daily reading, I use the NIV. I believe it is good enough.

But if I'm doing a study or trying to understand a particular verse or make sense of it, I'll go further back into the KJV, Geneva, concordance, or much older commentaries.

The differences in translation are not much.
The NIV calls the Lucifer the morning star....

NIV Calls Lucifer


The NKJV removes "blood" of Christ numerous times....



NKJV omits, Lord 66 times, God 51 times, heaven 50 times, repent 44 times, blood 23 times, hell 22 times, JEHOVAH entirely, damnation entirely, devils entirely. NKJV replaced the KJB Hebrew with the corrupt Stuttgart Old Testament.

Etc.
 
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The NIV calls the Lucifer the morning star....

The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.


The NKJV removes "blood" of Christ numerous times....



NKJV omits, Lord 66 times, God 51 times, heaven 50 times, repent 44 times, blood 23 times, hell 22 times, JEHOVAH entirely, damnation entirely, devils entirely. NKJV replaced the KJB Hebrew with the corrupt Stuttgart Old Testament.

Etc.
I agree with the morning star comment, but also that verse is in Isaiah and has nothing to do with Satan. I would need to look into it more.

You're looking at over 750,000 words so it makes sense if you have ever edited anything.

Is it perfect? No, but I wouldn't ever discourage anyone from reading a version that makes sense to them.

That was the reason they translated the work into English in the first place. Before there was no Bible for the people, they were forced by law to attend the Catholic church, English Bibles were illegal and people were murdered for translating them into their own language.

So this is a blessing for us in its glory, even with some imperfections. But we should do our research.
 
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No.

I understand it as showing what it plainly states. It states absolutely nothing about a 'Godhead', nor anything about any 'triunity'.

The Lord is one is all that it is declaring. It states nothing more. There's literally nothing else there but that.

No need to hash it all up, though. I understand you believe differently.

So, you believe God is lousy at grammar? The statement in Hebrew and English is nonsensical if it was trying to state that God is just one God!

Facts:
1.If God wanted to say He is the only divine being, He would have inspired Yachid, instead of Echad for the word one- then there is no other
possibility.

2. If God wished to inform Israel He alone is divine (or God), He would have constantly inspired "elowah" (singular) instead of the plural Elohim!

3. Godhead is a biblical term, trinity is a coined word to describe the one true god to contrast it to the pagan triads.

Yes we believe differently. but as long as you continue to post the gnostic and Ariah heresy, I will continue to post the biblical truth.
 

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And an "Amen!" to that praise!

I still have the KJV my grandmother gave me. One of ones that were bound with a zipper; have you ever seen them? I still break it out occasionally to read, but it's mostly a keepsake. Now, I have an NIV that I used so much I had to put duct tape on the binding to hold in the pages. My go-to Bible is Blue Letter Bible's iPhone app with an NASB plug-in, or Bible Gateway's online app if I'm using the laptop.
My first NIV fell to pieces and the one I have now is bound with sticky-backed plastic.
I see from these posts that I am not the only who has learned to defend and repair the unity of his Bibles.
 
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This thread went a bit edgy.

I don't see what the big deal is. In every book it still says Christ is King! The point is the gospel and the gospel is still clear in every version.

@Pearl for daily reading, I use the NIV. I believe it is good enough.

But if I'm doing a study or trying to understand a particular verse or make sense of it, I'll go further back into the KJV, Geneva, concordance, or much older commentaries.

The differences in translation are not much.
I have loads of different translations but it's easier now to use the online concordances to further my understanding of a passage.
 
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So, you believe God is lousy at grammar? The statement in Hebrew and English is nonsensical if it was trying to state that God is just one God!

Facts:
1.If God wanted to say He is the only divine being, He would have inspired Yachid, instead of Echad for the word one- then there is no other
possibility.

2. If God wished to inform Israel He alone is divine (or God), He would have constantly inspired "elowah" (singular) instead of the plural Elohim!

3. Godhead is a biblical term, trinity is a coined word to describe the one true god to contrast it to the pagan triads.

Yes we believe differently. but as long as you continue to post the gnostic and Ariah heresy, I will continue to post the biblical truth.

'The LORD our God is one LORD' is exactly the same meaning as 'the LORD is one.'

The Lord is one is all that it is declaring.

It states nothing more.

There's nothing else there but that.
 

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This thread went a bit edgy.

I don't see what the big deal is. In every book it still says Christ is King! The point is the gospel is still clear in every version.
Can a person hear from God while reading from any of the Bible versions available?

The differences in understanding from the various translations may only be in the minds of men. Does the Holy Spirit speak different meanings according to the version you are reading?

Will any person, truly following, as he is led by the Holy Spirit, be led astray in anything that matters to God due some man's less than perfect translation? Is God dependent upon the best translators and their written Bibles to sort it all out?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6 [KJV]

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26 [KJV]

"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled" Matt 5:6 [NIV]

"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my holy name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you" John 14:26 [NIV]

"Selig sind, die da hungert und dürstet nach der Gerechtigkeit; denn sie sollen satt werden." Matt 5:6 [Martin Luther]

"Aber der Tröster, der Heilige Geist, welchen mein Vater senden wird in meinem Namen, der wird euch alles lehren und euch erinnern alles des, das ich euch gesagt habe." John 14:26 [Martin Luther]

"Bienaventurados los que tienen hambre y sed de justicia: porque ellos serán hartos." Matt 5:6 [Reina Valera Antigua]

Joh 14:26 Mas el Consolador, el Espíritu Santo, al cual el Padre enviará en mi nombre, él os enseñará todas las cosas, y os recordará todas las cosas que os he dicho." John 14:26 [Reina Valera Antigua]
 
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And do you mark them?
Some my oldest Bibles I marked liberally in inks of assorted colors to the point where some pages were just about illegible. I had to stop that.

I learned over the years to only highlight a very few verses and to make all notes on any page in easily erasable pencil.

Some of my marginal notes in my Bibles remind me that God has changed me on this point or that one.

Notes in pencil are not binding on me. If worse comes to worse, I can erase and change what I wrote before.

In my German and Spanish Bibles, I often insert marginal notes showing the exact KJV wording of certain words or phrases, which sometimes being different [to me] in meaning may have a message [to me] in them.
 

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The NIV calls the Lucifer the morning star....

That's because Lucifer IS the morning star.

"Lucifer" is not in the original Hebrew text, which says (literally) "Shining star, son of the morning". The name Lucifer must have got there in the Latin translation (Lucifer being the name of the morning star in Latin) - and from that it came to be regarded as a name of the devil (although originally it wasn't).

This is one of the many instances where the NIV is a better translation than the KJV.
 

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Can a person hear from God while reading from any of the Bible versions available?

The differences in understanding from the various translations may only be in the minds of men. Does the Holy Spirit speak different meanings according to the version you are reading?

Will any person, truly following, as he is led by the Holy Spirit, be led astray in anything that matters to God due some man's less than perfect translation? Is God dependent upon the best translators and their written Bibles to sort it all out?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6 [KJV]

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26 [KJV]

"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled" Matt 5:6 [NIV]

"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my holy name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you" John 14:26 [NIV]

"Selig sind, die da hungert und dürstet nach der Gerechtigkeit; denn sie sollen satt werden." Matt 5:6 [Martin Luther]

"Aber der Tröster, der Heilige Geist, welchen mein Vater senden wird in meinem Namen, der wird euch alles lehren und euch erinnern alles des, das ich euch gesagt habe." John 14:26 [Martin Luther]

"Bienaventurados los que tienen hambre y sed de justicia: porque ellos serán hartos." Matt 5:6 [Reina Valera Antigua]

Joh 14:26 Mas el Consolador, el Espíritu Santo, al cual el Padre enviará en mi nombre, él os enseñará todas las cosas, y os recordará todas las cosas que os he dicho." John 14:26 [Reina Valera Antigua]


Not in any version that I can't understand, which now is any other language.

As a Christian brought back to Christ, I needed the NIV. I rarely understood much of what the Bible was saying as a teen because it was the KJV.

Atheists come around with quotes out of context (always in KJV) to discredit the Bible, because they can't actually understand the rest.

It took a lot of growing before I was ready, but I can't say God speaks to me less in one version from another.

I could say as a new reader in the beginning, I wouldn't have heard much from Him at all without the NIV.