God Will Judge His People

[robert derrick]

To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.

The great delusion of the last days is them that say the Lord does not judge His people, because grace 'covers their sins': by grace God is 'blind' to their ongoing sins and trespasses.

They count the blood of the Lamb as no better than that of a bull or goat in the OT, that only covers and hides their sins, so that God cannot judge them for their sins.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Not only does the Lord judge His people, but He judges us first and foremost, and only the righteous shall stand in the day of the Lord with boldness in the day of judgement.

Even as they come boldly to the thrnoe of grace for help in time of need to overcome all sins, so they have the love of God with all the heart and boldness in His judgement.

Sinners that think themselves to be bold in the day of His judgment, because they are 'under grace', will be them upon whom He comes as a thief in the night, to judge their sins and appoint them with the hypocrites.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

God is not mocked and counted as respecter of persons, that will judge the unbelievers for their sins and according to their works, but not ourselves, because we are 'under grace'.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

All souls are made the same by God, and all souls will be judged the same by God: the soul that goes on in sins shall die, but the righteous soul going on to perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord shall live.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The ungodly and sinners are His enemies separating themselves from Him by their sins and trespasses, but the righteous and saints are His people and Friends, whose works of His righteousness by faith are justified and pleasing to Him.

But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

 

[robert derrick]

Them that say that God will not judge His people for their sins, are also them that say the 'cost' for their sins is 'only' loss of fellowship with God.

The are strongly deluded into believing that God's salvation is separate from His fellowship, even as their sins are separate from His judgement.

They believe in being saved but not reconciled to God and so having fellowship with Him at all times.

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

There is no being saved by God and having 'less', much less no, fellowship with God: there is no 'partial' fellowship with God, some in the Light and some in the darkness.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

We are reconciled to God to have fellowship with God, which is to walk in His light and be cleansed from all sin and unrighteousness, without which there is no being saved by God.

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.

The claim unconditionally secured salvation without judgment of God nor fellowship in the Light, while yet going on still in their sins and trespasses to fellowship with the devil in the darkness.

Filthy grace is the key to unlocking the strong delusion of the last days:

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

OSAS is Biblical. Your delusions dont make it any less real. Calvin was right. ONce saved, ALWAYS saved. You cant lose salvation. Nothing can take it away.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.

The great delusion of the last days is them that say the Lord does not judge His people, because grace 'covers their sins': by grace God is 'blind' to their ongoing sins and trespasses.

They count the blood of the Lamb as no better than that of a bull or goat in the OT, that only covers and hides their sins, so that God cannot judge them for their sins.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Not only does the Lord judge His people, but He judges us first and foremost, and only the righteous shall stand in the day of the Lord with boldness in the day of judgement.

Even as they come boldly to the thrnoe of grace for help in time of need to overcome all sins, so they have the love of God with all the heart and boldness in His judgement.

Sinners that think themselves to be bold in the day of His judgment, because they are 'under grace', will be them upon whom He comes as a thief in the night, to judge their sins and appoint them with the hypocrites.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

God is not mocked and counted as respecter of persons, that will judge the unbelievers for their sins and according to their works, but not ourselves, because we are 'under grace'.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

All souls are made the same by God, and all souls will be judged the same by God: the soul that goes on in sins shall die, but the righteous soul going on to perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord shall live.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The ungodly and sinners are His enemies separating themselves from Him by their sins and trespasses, but the righteous and saints are His people and Friends, whose works of His righteousness by faith are justified and pleasing to Him.

But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

YOu do not even know the depth of what Jesus accomplished on teh cross if you believe this hokum you just wrote.

You also do not even know what happens when a person becomces born again.

You do not understand that God no longer sees sin in a believer's life.

YOu do not understand that God will forgive 70 X7 in a day for a believer.

YOu do not understand there are two lives in a believer.
1. His position which is already perfect.
2. His experience which is growing in grace.

A believers sins, ALL of them have been paid for at teh cross, so there is no more judgment for sin for us in the eternal view.
However sins do have a price and God will allow us to reap the results of sins, because H eloves us and sees that if we reap the consequences of sin- we will grow from it! So yes we reap what we sow! But any consequences we reap from sin, is from sin itself and not from God!

 

[Enoch111]

The great delusion of the last days is them that say the Lord does not judge His people, because grace 'covers their sins': by grace God is 'blind' to their ongoing sins and trespasses.

God judges His people when He chastises His children. It is definitely NOT the same as the judgment which will come upon the unbelieving world.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God judges His people when He chastises His children. It is definitely NOT the same as the judgment which will come upon the unbelieving world.

And most people misunderstand what chastisement is!

chastise is: paideuo. It is funny because Star Wars borrowed this word to get the word "padewan" or student.

but the definition of chastise is:

1. to train children
   
   1. to be instructed or taught or learn
      
      
   2. to cause one to learn
      
2. to chastise
   
   
   1. to chastise or castigate with words, to correct
      
      
      1. of those who are moulding the character of others by reproof and admonition
         
   2. It can be a negative like Pilate scourging Jesus.
3. Or as in Hebrews it is a positive! God is forever doen being angry with His children. He poured out all His wrath for sin on Jesus! So now He is free to train us in love to mould our character.

 

[robert derrick]

The shield of faith does not 'shield' us from the righteous judgement of God.

It guards us from the unrighteous sins that God must judge.

 

[robert derrick]

God judges His people when He chastises His children. It is definitely NOT the same as the judgment which will come upon the unbelieving world.

For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

We can lie to ourselves, but not to God.

If we repent, we shall not be judged of sins that are past, if we repent not, we shall be judged with the world for sins unto death.

It is definitely NOT the same as the judgment which will come upon the unbelieving world.

So you foolishly say and vainly hope, but Scripture does not say any such thing at all, but the opposite.

You think you can sin like the world unto the end, but not be judged with the world in the end?

You pronounce the judgment of God upon the sinners of the world, but not for yourself for the same sins of the world without repentance?

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

God does not chastise the unbelieving, but only judges them for their works in the end.

He chastises His people with longsuffering unto repentance.

If we hold to our unrepented ungodliness unto the end, just as unbelievers, we too will be judged with the rest of the world for our unrighteous works unto death.

God is not a respecter of persons and hypocrite in His righteous judgment.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Christians who think they are specially excused from God's righteous judgement against walking after the flesh unto the end, are strongly deluded hypocrites.

 

[robert derrick]

And most people misunderstand what chastisement is!

chastise is: paideuo. It is funny because Star Wars borrowed this word to get the word "padewan" or student.

but the definition of chastise is:

1. to train children
   1. to be instructed or taught or learn
      
      
   2. to cause one to learn
2. to chastise
   1. to chastise or castigate with words, to correct
      1. of those who are moulding the character of others by reproof and admonition
   2. It can be a negative like Pilate scourging Jesus.
3. Or as in Hebrews it is a positive! God is forever doen being angry with His children. He poured out all His wrath for sin on Jesus! So now He is free to train us in love to mould our character.

Chastisement is only for the people of God by His longsuffering mercy with us to repent.

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

God's longsuffering toward us is not to mock Him in unrepented dead works unto death.

If we repent of ours ungodliness, then we are forgiven, and if we do not, then we are judged with the world.

Them who think to say that God only chastises His people, and will not judge the iniquities of His unrepentant people are strongly deluded:

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

 

[robert derrick]

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Christian hypocrites are those who say God will judge the world for their unrighteous deeds, but will not judge their own unrepented unrighteousness as the world.

The end of the hypcriote is worse than the unbeliever:

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[robert derrick]

YOu do not even know the depth of what Jesus accomplished on teh cross if you believe this hokum you just wrote.

You also do not even know what happens when a person becomces born again.

You do not understand that God no longer sees sin in a believer's life.

YOu do not understand that God will forgive 70 X7 in a day for a believer.

YOu do not understand there are two lives in a believer.
1. His position which is already perfect.
2. His experience which is growing in grace.

A believers sins, ALL of them have been paid for at teh cross, so there is no more judgment for sin for us in the eternal view.
However sins do have a price and God will allow us to reap the results of sins, because H eloves us and sees that if we reap the consequences of sin- we will grow from it! So yes we reap what we sow! But any consequences we reap from sin, is from sin itself and not from God!

And here they come proving the point: all sins already forgiven. Will not be judged at all, though they certainly will continue in unrepented ungodliness unto death: strong delusion.

You do not even know the depth of what Jesus accomplished on the cross

I have learned to know the depths of Satan to which OSAS has gone, so as to think themselves to not be judged for their ongoing depraved sins of the world.

They crucify Christ afresh daily while celebrating their filthy grace, saying to themselves: "God does not see. He is blind to our ungodliness."

Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.

we reap the consequences of sin- we will grow from it!

Grow in celebration of filthy grace, not grow out of the sinning business.

Just to think: all this argument against repenting of all sins and doing His righteousness even as He is righteous.

 

[robert derrick]

Who argues against repenting of our ungodly sins to answer the call to be saints, and not to go on still in our ungodly sins and trespasses??

Christian saints are not ungodly sinners. They are Christian believers who take God at His Word and repent from the heart:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

All sin is unrighteousness, and all sinners are the unrighteous and ungodly of the world.

Ungodly sinners shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Who argues against that??

Ungodly sinners naming the name of Christ, of course.

 

[robert derrick]

And most people misunderstand what chastisement is!

And all OSAS denies what God's righteous judgment is.

All saints know what longsuffering chastisement is for repentance before death, and all Christian saints know what the fear of the Lord is for judgment of any sins unrepented unto death.

OSAS equate righteous judgement of God against sins unto death, with chastisement only, even as they equate righteous and blameless living in this life as sinless perfection, only to be 'gifted' after death.

 

[robert derrick]

YOu do not understand there are two lives in a believer.
1. His position which is already perfect.
2. His experience which is growing in grace.

I.e. I do understand spiritual schizophrenia and bipolarism.

Scripture calls it wretched double mindedness, and commands them to repent and purify there hearts and cleanse their hands.

I have been double minded as a Christian, and have plenty of empathy for them that are such and know their wretchedness and pray for deliverance from it.

But OSAS is hypocrisy on steroids: they refuse correction of Scripture, refuse to repent and be pure of heart, and go on instead in strong delusion to celebrate their wretchedness in some form of dystopian 'humility' to boast about it.

They think they will walk into glory arm in arm with the old man of sin and the new man of Christ together.

 

[bbyrd009]

To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.

The great delusion of the last days is them that say the Lord does not judge His people, because grace 'covers their sins': by grace God is 'blind' to their ongoing sins and trespasses.

They count the blood of the Lamb as no better than that of a bull or goat in the OT, that only covers and hides their sins, so that God cannot judge them for their sins.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Not only does the Lord judge His people, but He judges us first and foremost, and only the righteous shall stand in the day of the Lord with boldness in the day of judgement.

Even as they come boldly to the thrnoe of grace for help in time of need to overcome all sins, so they have the love of God with all the heart and boldness in His judgement.

Sinners that think themselves to be bold in the day of His judgment, because they are 'under grace', will be them upon whom He comes as a thief in the night, to judge their sins and appoint them with the hypocrites.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

God is not mocked and counted as respecter of persons, that will judge the unbelievers for their sins and according to their works, but not ourselves, because we are 'under grace'.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

All souls are made the same by God, and all souls will be judged the same by God: the soul that goes on in sins shall die, but the righteous soul going on to perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord shall live.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The ungodly and sinners are His enemies separating themselves from Him by their sins and trespasses, but the righteous and saints are His people and Friends, whose works of His righteousness by faith are justified and pleasing to Him.

But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has given all judgement to the son

 

[robert derrick]

Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has given all judgement to the son

And so the Son Himself will judge His own, and not pass it off to the Father.

Very good.

 

[robert derrick]

And most people misunderstand what chastisement is!

chastise is: paideuo. It is funny because Star Wars borrowed this word to get the word "padewan" or student.

but the definition of chastise is:

1. to train children
   1. to be instructed or taught or learn
      
      
   2. to cause one to learn
2. to chastise
   
   1. to chastise or castigate with words, to correct
      
      1. of those who are moulding the character of others by reproof and admonition
   2. It can be a negative like Pilate scourging Jesus.
3. Or as in Hebrews it is a positive! God is forever doen being angry with His children. He poured out all His wrath for sin on Jesus! So now He is free to train us in love to mould our character.

And most people misunderstand what chastisement is!

Especially yourself. OSAS knows nothing of what Scriptural things of God are, but everything about what the seared consciences of OSAS teach.

If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

1. God does not chastise unbelievers of the world, but only His own people.

2. All people of the world must suffer the law of sin and corruption: everyone that does sin experiences the corrupting affect to the heart, mind, and body: anyone getting drunk in the night will experience the morning after. That is not God's chastisement for His people.

3. The chastening of the Lord is the conviction and judgment of the Spirit upon the conscience of the believer from within.

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.

The Spirit reproves the world from without, but for the Christian, He reproves our sins from within:

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The chastening of the Lord for His people is inner conviction of the Spirit unto repentance, which is in addition to the natural corrupting effects of sins upon the mind and body.

Them that reject the chastening of the Spirit upon their conscience and go on still in their unrepented sins and trespasses, are them that are searing their consciences against God, while also experiencing the same affects of sins upon their lives like any other on earth.

Them who sear their consciences against God's reprove unto death, will die in their unrepented sins and be judged righteously with the world them that do the same.

God is not a respecter of persons, nor is He mocked, and He shall righteously judge His people first, and then the world.

His inner chastening of His people is in this life only for our soul's sake to repent. Them that do not and sear their consciences to His inner reproof, are no longer treated as His children, but as cast aways of the world:

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

 

[robert derrick]

The 4 steps to the seared conscience of OSAS:

1. The believe the lie of unconditonally secured eternal salvation.

The blood of the Lamb is nothing but that of a goat, that only hides their sins, but does not cleanse them of all unrighteousness.

2. They reject the righteous judgement of God upon their souls.

God says He shall judge His people, they say He shall not.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die, but not their own.

2. They perversely equate the Lord's chastening as His righteous judgement.

They say the corrupting effects of sins upon their lives in the world, is the chastening judgement of God.
While the natural law of sin and corruption is upon every person's heart, mind, and body in this life.

3. The chastening of the Lord upon His people is inner reproof of the Spirit, where as the Spirit only reproves the world from without.

Because they falsely equate the chastening of the Lord by the Spirit with corruptive effects upon their lives, they therefore do not endure His chastening unto repentance, but instead sear their consciences to His inner reproof, and continue to go on in unrepented sins and trespasses.

They begin with the strong delusion of unconditionally secured salvation, where they have no part nor responsibility for it, and end with a seared conscience to their ongoing irresponsible ungodly lives unto dearth.

God shall not judge His people, and they shall be righteously judged for their depravity of the world unto death.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

They literally forbid any Christian to be a chaste virgin of blameless and righteous living in this life.

They demand all Christians be just as corrupt and sinful and unrepentant as themselves, in order to be unconditionally saved with a seared conscience unto the end.

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

The only ones they declare unsaved by pride is them that refuse to sear their consciences, and so endure chastening unto repentance of all their sins and trespasses, to do them no more in this life.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God's longsuffering toward us is not to mock Him in unrepented dead works unto death.

If we repent of ours ungodliness, then we are forgiven, and if we do not, then we are judged with the world.

Them who think to say that God only chastises His people, and will not judge the iniquities of His unrepentant people are strongly deluded:

Well all believers repented at the moment of salvation. repentance occurs but once to salvation. Afterwards it is acknowledging our sin before God.

And his longsuffering is everlsating to us! His mercies are new every morning.

And Jesus forgives 70X7 in a day!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have learned to know the depths of Satan to which OSAS has gone, so as to think themselves to not be judged for their ongoing depraved sins of the world.

They crucify Christ afresh daily while celebrating their filthy grace, saying to themselves: "God does not see. He is blind to our ungodliness."

Wow a little bitter are we?
If you knew what OSAS taught about sin and holiness, you would not sound so benighted.

I am sure there are some professed believers out there who think that salvation is a fire insurance policy and they can continue to live a depraved life. This is not biblical OSAS. Eternal security is the reality and involves a major change in a persons life. We are given a new nature and a new deisre- to serve HIm.

People who think that just praying a prayer and they can continue their old life in all probability never got saved to begin.

Christians will fall short and there is ample forgiveness as shown in Scripture abundantly