Joseph Prince?

[Behold]

Go to his website and see for yourself. Enough of your defending a false teacher.

You are a legalist.
Ill prove it.

Explain why = "Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved".
Explain why you can't lose your salvation..

Take your time., cause you will never be able to explain, those.
Joseph Prince teaches why you can't, and that is why you have an issue with Him and His website.
All Legalist get upset when you tell them that they are not to try to save themselves.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

How to spot a legalist.

here is how you spot them.

Ask them...>"do you believe you can lose your salvation".
If they say...."YES", then you have found a deceived Legalist, who might be a Christian, or might be a water baptized, never born again, religious fakir.

Was the person who wrote this scripture a deceived legalist?:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)

You too can be cut off from salvation if you fail to continue in God’s goodness.

Surely you don’t think Christ is a deceived legalist? For he said:

“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)

 

[Behold]

Was the person who wrote this scripture a deceived legalist?:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness

I have a Thread on this verse.
You should find it, as its quite comprehensive.

Let me make it short.

Notice...>"if you continue in HIS GOODNESS">

See that?

"His" is GOD's........ Its GOD's Goodness......and you are to continue in GOD's Goodness.
What is that?

Its this.>"The gift of Salvation".. So, if you continue in God's (His) goodness, this means you are born again.

To not continue in God's goodness, is to try to save yourself....as then you are trying by YOUR lifestyle, to be accepted by God, which is Cross Rejection. = Legalism

So, a Legalist, is not continuing in GOD's Goodness, they are trying to be saved by their goodness, and they have none, as you are a sinner, unrighteous...trying to pretend you belong to God.

But see, those that Belong to God, belong to Him because of this..."The GIFT of Salvation"
See that?
See that GIFT? That is "HIS Goodness" that is in your verse.
Not your goodness.
Your goodness STINKS in God's face........as you have none of yourself.
God has to give you HIS Righteousness, (born again) or you will die and go to hell thinking you are going to heaven.
Thousands of water baptized, do every day.

 

[Curtis]

Have you heard of him and do you know where I can download his sermons for free?

Yep, he is a false teacher of hyper-grace doctrine, who claims that believers never need repent of any sins they commit as Christians.

 

[Curtis]

Was the person who wrote this scripture a deceived legalist?:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)

You too can be cut off from salvation if you fail to continue in God’s goodness.

Surely you don’t think Christ is a deceived legalist? For he said:

“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)

I’ve had discussions with these OSAS types, where I quoted several of Paul’s warnings to the brethren about living sinfully as Christians, and the reply was that direct quotes from Paul is legalism.

 

[Enoch111]

Yep, he is a false teacher of hyper-grace doctrine, who claims that believers never need repent of any sins they commit as Christians.

Not just that but he excludes repentance from the "Gospel" message on his website.

 

[Behold]

Yep, he is a false teacher of hyper-grace doctrine, who claims that believers never need repent of any sins they commit as Christians.

There is no such thing as "hyper Grace".
There is just "the Gift of Righteousness", that is the "Gospel of the Grace of God"... that you dont yet understand.

 

[Behold]

I’ve had discussions with these OSAS types, where I quoted several of Paul’s warnings to the brethren about living sinfully as Christians, and the reply was that direct quotes from Paul is legalism.

Paul teaches that Jesus is a one time eternal Sacrifice.
You teach that He isn't.

You figure that out.

 

[Nancy]

There is always a consequence to sin. I'm not versed on Joseph Prince's teaching, and I cannot answer for him.

One consequence that will always be is that any time spent in the works of the flesh is gone, lost, and there is no fruit to eternal life in sin. It simply takes us the wrong direction. And it just gets worse from there.

Much love!

Yeah, we will always reap what we sow in this life, as well as the next. There are consequences to disobedience, our choices...
We are NOT paying for our salvation but we WILL always have to live the consequences of our sin, and wrong choices. And, we should not think it is unfair as, it was us that chose to NOT obey and be blessed. He's not a taskmaster

 

[Enoch111]

There is no such thing as "hyper Grace".

Which tells us that you are included in the Hyper-Grace crowd. Always calling other Christian "legalists" because they reject your nonsense.

There is such a thing as Hyper-Grace teaching, and Joseph Price and many others are entangled in this web of confusion.
What is hyper-grace?
The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality” (Jude 1:4) and flirt with antinomianism... Preachers of hyper-grace doctrine discount the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments as irrelevant to New Testament believers. They even teach that Jesus’ words spoken before His resurrection are part of the Old Covenant and no longer applicable to born-again believers. But is this true?..
What is hyper-grace? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Behold]

So why does Joseph Prince say there are consequences for committing sins?

Because JPrince understands "seed time and harvest"... He understands that Jesus became ALL our sin on the Cross, and we the born again become "the righteousness of God in CHRIST".........so, that resolves this.... = John 3:36.

JPrince understands that we are no longer under the law, but under Grace.

He understands : Romans 4:8

But, like any student of Paul's theology, JP understands that "sowing and reaping" , this spiritual law.... did not end when Jesus rose from the dead.

Listen....A born again Christian can never stop being born again....... JPrince understand this fact of "The Gift of righteousness".

So, what CAN a born again Christian lose, if they decide to become a DEMAS : "having loved this present world" and backslide into dead faith and devoted carnality. Well.....They can't stop being born again. You can't stop being born again, as you didn't cause this, so you can't undo or redo or effect your Spiritual BIRTH, in any way.... And you can't take you born again Spirit out of this eternal situation....>"One with God".."in Christ".
You can't get Jesus out of you, if you are born again....as when you are born again, you have become joined to God and Christ, Spiritually.
You can't stop being "the temple of the Holy Spirit", as God didnt come into you because you are any good, reader. He came into you because you are born again.....and He did that......not you.
So REST in God's Grace and never ever worry about losing your salvation......as "God who began salvation in the born again, will Himself be faithful to complete it".
See that?
Thats TRUE.

So, what can you lose, if you are born again. ????

You can lose your health. Your Church and ministry... Your marriage.. Your family...Your reputation... Your job... Your mind... Your money. Your Home. Your future......and most of all, you lose so many rewards that Jesus would have given you, at the Judgement seat of Christ.
You'll stand there Ashamed.......and you dont want that, Believer.

So, if you Do however, get into a carnal lifestyle after you are born again...not just some carnal behavior....but a carnal lifestyle.....God will deal with you, here..>Hebrews 12:6....and will anyway....but why get it more? Why bring it on? Why invite the hard process?
C'mon. You've tasted this world's "fun"......Its empty... Its quick and over and you have no satisfaction later, for your money and your time.
You get some pleasure, and that's the end of it...... See, this world is shiny, and empty. The Devil's promises are hollow and dead in the end.
It all looks good on the outside, and on the inside its black and rotten.
So, You'll get some hard rebukes if go back there and play and dont turn back around.. In other words, if you live in carnality, born again, then God your Father will bring some serious "situations" to clamp down on you., and the thing is....what He puts you through, you cant resolve it, till its over.
You will endure it, till the end of it, and screaming and crying and begging wont stop it.
It will stop, when the process is over.

And finally, Paul teaches this also......If you continue in sin....as in...you've been corrected and corrected and God has continued to deal with your backsliding for a good while, and you are just not going to behave...then you will die....... You will die.
God will take you home early.

Part B.)

If you are called into the ministry.... not self chosen...not just smart and can write and speak well, so that you end up as some "officer in a church" somewhere.. or get some fame because of a "christian" book or video you created... Im not talking about that..... im not talking about earning a position in your church or in the world..
im talking about = God has called you to serve, and has confirmed it with signs.... See, God confirms His call on your life.....oh yes.
You wont have to wonder if God called you, as He'll prove it to you... He will show you things that only make sense to you, that you know are happening to YOU.

Reader, God is real...>He's REAL...>Heaven is Real....>>Jesus is ALIVE, and the devil is also.

So, if you are that one, and you turned your back on it....then as Paul says.."woe is me" If i dont do this ministry that im compelled to do"..

Then if that is you........and you have gone away from it.....then i'll show you what happens..
Its this......and you can think about it, as you'll know what i mean.

"Light becomes Lightening"..

So, turn around, go back to that real dedication you use to have, if you are Jonah and you know it.
God will give you a whale.
You dont want to go through that.....


You know.......we read about Demas, who was a disciple of Paul, and there is nothing written about him again, after he left the ministry and went back to the whores and the party lifestyle.
Paul said that he "Loved the world" is why He left the "call".......not because he was afraid that he would be killed...as that's understandable, as in 1 Century Rome and everywhere Paul went, He was being beaten, shipwrecked, stoned....and they finally cut off His Head.
Timothy was one of Paul's converts, and he stressed out at times, and Paul told him to drink some wine, for that upset nervous stomach.
"but i thought it was grape juice".
Uh huh....and you thought the 1st Miracle that Jesus performed was to turn water into grape juice?

"Jesus, you gave us grape juice.....where is the good wine".... "this is a wedding celebration, where is the good WINE" !!
Funny...

God has a sense of Humor.
He must, as He created laughter, and the ability you have to enjoy something that is "funny".
Be sure to laugh all you can, as this world will give you plenty of reasons to cry.

So, anyway.... i think we can be honest and say that if we had to face being eaten by a Lion....we can see why a 1st Century Believer might let go of the wheel and fall back into the past lifestyle.
But, Demas just left it all for the "good times" that the Devil has to offer you tomorrow.
Same exact nothing, that he has been controlling people with since the Garden of Eden.

"taste this, try that". "hath God said you can't, are you sure"..??
Satan never changes., nor does God.

"Light became Lightning" for Demas, and he never got to enjoy going back into the world.
He had no idea of this when he left Paul......and he found out the hard way.

 

[Behold]

Weren't Adam & Eve carnal when they didn't clothe themselves in God's most holy presence? How does Joseph Prince know he has committed sin if he had obeyed God's word in Genesis 2:17 & refused to choose the knowledge of good & evil?

I can't honestly say that i understand your question.

Ummm, so..........Until you know something is wrong, then you dont recognize it as being wrong.

"where there is no law, there is no Transgression". So, in the Garden of Eden, there was no MOSES, so, there was no Moses LAW, yet given.
No 10 Commandments.
See that? They weren't needed as there was no sin yet........but it came.
Adam and Eve were told not to do, only one thing.....and when they chose to do it, they kneeled before the Devil.
And they became, spiritually, his nature.
Jesus says..>"you are of YOUR FATHER....the devil". And that is what happened to Adam and Eve. They changed spiritual Fathers. They became His nature....The nature of the Devil, and that is the sin or Adamic Nature.

Te be born again, happens by a Different Spiritual Father... So, to become HIS SON, you have to be born again by HIS SPIRIT.
To go to HIS HEAVEN, you have to become His Son.........
Here is the thing you wont be taught, reader, next Sunday or Saturday......... Its this....You end up with your Spiritual Father, after you die.
Your spirit ends up with your spiritual Father.
There are 2.
Now, you will hear me teach this to you, because im connected to Pauline Theology, and that is rare in these end times.
And what i just told you and will continue now is MEAT.....it is not milk or sugar, theology.
Its big boy stuff.

So, to become a CHRISTian, you have to become a Spiritual Son of Christ's Father......you have to be born again by GOD's Holy Spirit.
NOT BY WATER @!!!!
IF not, you remain a son of the devil, and you will go to him, your spiritual father, after you die, and are judged and then sent OUT of Heaven into the 2nd Death.

This is why Jesus told YOU, that you "must be born again", NICODEMUS.....and YOU also....reader.
You've been born once.......and that is why you are alive on earth, and now to go to Heaven, you have to be born again to exist THERE.
If not, you can not be a part of Christ's Family as a Son of His Father.
And water baptism can not give your spirit a new birth.

Now, if you have ears to hear me, you heard a revelation, and you wont hear this in your church.
But you heard it here.
Now, do it, if you have not., already.
Go to Jesus on the Cross, and kneel in your heart before the Risen CHRIST, THE LORD, believing in your heart,...trusting in Jesus to be your Savior... And God His Father, will give you the new birth and you will become a SON OF GOD.

Dont wait.
BELIEVE in JESUS ....>Have Faith in Christ.....Put your TRUST in God's Son, and God will make you His born again, because you gave God your Faith.
THat's His Promise and its God's will for you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post #33

A born again Christian can never stop being born again

No one argues this. But the born again believer can be cut off (as the scripture says that was quoted earlier).

You can't stop being "the temple of the Holy Spirit"

No one argues this either. But this can happen:

“If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” (1 Corinthians 3:17)

 

[Behold]

Adam/Eve became Devil's nature? Didn't God have the knowledge (kge) of good & evil (Genesis 3:22)?
In God's heaven, wasn't the kge prohibited? Wasn't that why Jesus delivered us from the kge (Romans7:4)?

Jesus said....."You are of YOUR Father, the Devil, and the lusts of your Father, you shall do".

So, did you ever wonder why you enjoy sinning, and have issues trying not to sin?

That's why.

 

[Behold]

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[Behold]

Which tells us that you are included in the Hyper-Grace crowd. Always calling other Christian "legalists" because they reject your nonsense.

There is such a thing as Hyper-Grace teaching, and Joseph Price and many others are entangled in this web of confusion.
The term hyper-grace

Hyper-Grace is a term created by a son of the devil, who believes that The Cross of Christ is only as good as he is...

In other words....This son of the devil, who created these terms...>"hype-Grace".. and "License to Sin"......does not believe that Jesus is the Savior.
He , and his followers like you, only believe that Jesus begins salvation, and then you and your dirty self effort, that you consider equal to the Holiness of Christ....is how you pretend try to keep yourself saved.
Paul said you are "in the flesh" and the false gospel you preach is this.. Galatians 1:8

 

[marks]

Yeah, we will always reap what we sow in this life, as well as the next. There are consequences to disobedience, our choices...
We are NOT paying for our salvation but we WILL always have to live the consequences of our sin, and wrong choices. And, we should not think it is unfair as, it was us that chose to NOT obey and be blessed. He's not a taskmaster

I've felt like there have been many things I've done wrong, but that God didn't really allow all the consequences to come. I think back on some of the terrible choices I've made over the years, and how God has prevented many terrible things from happening as a result. No, He's not a taskmaster, and He is merciful!

Much love!

 

[marks]

How could you know an act of yours is sinful unless you had disobeyed God's word in Genesis 2:17 & chosen the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?

I don't understand what you are asking.

Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Only Adam and Eve ate from that tree. Are you saying that no one else would have any knowledge of good and evil?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Grace IS hyper.

Much love!

 

[Nancy]

I've felt like there have been many things I've done wrong, but that God didn't really allow all the consequences to come. I think back on some of the terrible choices I've made over the years, and how God has prevented many terrible things from happening as a result. No, He's not a taskmaster, and He is merciful!

Much love!

Amen bro,
Yes, He DOES at times get us out of our own messes. He sure has given me many passes, I should have included this in the post. Oh how merciful He is!