Where can I find a really shy woman for a relationship?

[Mink57]

Then I can't see the point in doing it.

Masturbating for a chemical process which does no good apart from giving you 5 short seconds of euphoria? Really?

Sure. In fact a number of asexuals compare an orgasm to a sneeze. A few seconds of 'build up" and a few seconds of "relief" (they wouldn't even call it "euphoria")

 

[ShyIntrovert]

Sure. In fact a number of asexuals compare an orgasm to a sneeze. A few seconds of 'build up" and a few seconds of "relief" (they wouldn't even call it "euphoria")

And wouldn't it be better to do something more productive, which actually glorifies God?

 

[TLHKAJ]

This one?

I can see that. The intent is not to kill him, but to keep him from abusing her. Even the most vicious of animals knows when it's got a real fight on it's hands and needs to back off. And that's the goal.


Well, based on just what you've shared here I don't see any marital obligation at play here, and certainly no emotional attachment. In western society this is criminal, not cultural. I would think there would be no problem separating AND divorcing in this situation since no mutual voluntary oath is binding the two together.

This wasn't the one, but I appreciate the reply. In most of these cases, though, there is an actual wedding with wedding vows.

I'll bring my other post back and tag you.

 

[ShyIntrovert]

Heck, I'm feeling like a Pharisee right now...

What if you just didn't mention the self pleasuring part?

 

[Mink57]

And wouldn't it be better to do something more productive, which actually glorifies God?

Who says that what they're doing isn't 'glorifying God'?

 

[Mink57]

I want to tiptoe carefully around this one. Jesus talked about men looking at women with lust in their hearts and equating it with physical adultery. (You women get off scot-free, apparently). Do mental images count? I suppose it could be done without photographs and without mental imagery; would it still be sinful? Feel free to decline to answer if the question makes you uncomfortable.

LOL! I'm not uncomfortable, but thank you for being sensitive enough to ask!
Do mental images count? Yes, they count. And no...women don't get off scot-free, either!)

Personally, I don't see it as 'sinful' if it's done without the involvement of another person...either through imagery, photographs, or having a real live person sitting right in front of you. At that point, you're basically just going through some 'mechanical' process.

 

[Mink57]

SEX!

Without that you have nothing more than a good Monopoly partner who doesn't have to go home at 10:00.

Some people see sex as for strictly producing offspring.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Do you have scripture for her right to move out? I happen to agree, but where is it in scripture?

Let me ask you this. What is a man's abuse of his wife involves forcefully prostituting her (against her will)? Or rape ....as in unwanted sex in the presence of another person? Does that fall under adultery and is it grounds for divorce?

This one, @Ferris Bueller

 

[Nancy]

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It doesn't end the legality of the marriage. It ends the relational aspect of marriage. An abused spouse should leave, but not divorce, for the simple reason of self defense. That's just common sense, just as it is for any other relationship. You get out of the way when someone hits you and you do everything you can to not let it happen again.

Easier said than done for many...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Some people see sex as for strictly producing offspring.

Which is fine, but IMO they're missing out on God's intention to bind a man and a woman together, not just physically, but emotionally, too.

 

[Nancy]

Like in a dance partnership he leads and I follow. We don't push each other and sometimes he will agree that my way is best and sometimes his way is best. It's not heavy.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"
Galatians 3:28

 

[Mink57]

Which is fine, but IMO they're missing out on God's intention to bind a man and a woman together, not just physically, but emotionally, too.

Who says it's "God's intention" to bind a man and a woman together through sex? Doesn't He "bind us together" (through marriage) through the production of children?

If I have a child with my husband, are we not 'bound together' through that child...forever? (My DNA + Husband's DNA = the two of us literally becoming ONE)

How does the "two become one"? What is the "one"? One person? One FAMILY?

 

[quietthinker]

Sounds good, but truthfully, wives are to submit to the lousy, unloving husband too.

18Servants, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect,f not only to those who are good and gentle, but even to those who are unreasonable." 1 Peter 2:18
​

Wives have to love and respect the unloving husband, just as husbands have to love the unlovable wife.

So much for your many words against the law in previous threads Ferris!
It's not an unexpected turnout. In fact it is very consistent .....those who rail against the law the loudest inevitably appeal to the law for how things should be done....as you have above.
I s'pose it's something you'll need to figure out in your own reality.

 

[TLHKAJ]

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Easier said than done for many...

Thank you. This is the case for many women. Getting away is not so easy with a psychopathic husband, or else in cases such as I come from (SRA/MK) where there is more than one abuser and they are closely monitored.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you have scripture for her right to move out? I happen to agree, but where is it in scripture?

Let me ask you this. What is a man's abuse of his wife involves forcefully prostituting her (against her will)? Or rape ....as in unwanted sex in the presence of another person? Does that fall under adultery and is it grounds for divorce?

This one, @Ferris Bueller

My first thought is these are physical abuses, and not adultery in the case of forced prostitution (adultery implies a voluntary participation, IMO). She should move out to end the abuse and see what he does from there. He'll probably leave the relationship by being with another woman and the abused spouse would then be free to divorce. That would be the hope and intent, but even if he didn't and they remained married but separated, at least she has not sinned against the Lord. Just my two cents. Difficult matters, indeed. I wouldn't have an ounce of condemnation for a woman divorcing the slob in those circumstances even though, technically, there are no Biblical grounds for divorce. I leave that in the hands of God who judges in truth and in accuracy and considers all mitigating circumstances.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So much for your many words against the law in previous threads Ferris!
It's not an unexpected turnout. In fact it is very consistent .....those who rail against the law the loudest inevitably appeal to the law for how things should be done....as you have above.
I s'pose it's something you'll need to figure out in your own reality.

Aw, be nice, QT.
I love the law of God. I just know that I don't have to keep some things in the law literally anymore. And so do you. But we just differ on what those things are.

 

[Mink57]

My first thought is these are physical abuses, and not adultery in the case of forced prostitution (adultery implies a voluntary participation, IMO). She should move out to end the abuse and see what he does from there. He'll probably leave the relationship by being with another woman and the abused spouse would then be free to divorce. That would be the hope and intent, but even if he didn't and they remained married but separated, at least she has not sinned against the Lord. Just my two cents. Difficult matters, indeed. I wouldn't have an ounce of condemnation for a woman divorcing the slob in those circumstances even though, technically, there are no Biblical grounds for divorce. I leave that in the hands of God who judges in truth and in accuracy and considers all mitigating circumstances.

Oh Ferris...like I said before, moving out is the most dangerous time for an abused woman. Many times over, that's when the abuser steps UP the abuse...and when most murders happen. It's at the point when he feels like he's losing CONTROL over her. Even if he starts a new relationship, it doesn't necessarily mean he wants to let go of the first. Especially if there are children involved!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"
Galatians 3:28

This in no way dissolves the order of authority that God has established. It does dissolve any discrimination that existed between male and female, slave and free, Jew and Greek in regard to access to God in salvation and fellowship as stipulated by the law.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Who says it's "God's intention" to bind a man and a woman together through sex?

If you've been married, and sex has been even a little enjoyable you'd know that it has a binding power, both, physically and emotionally, that brings you back together again and again. That's the joining together of man and wife in marriage. It's not just sex. And it's not just having kids. It's intimacy. Like how the Lord is intimate with his wife, having a 'knowing' relationship with her, not just legally joined to her.

31“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” c 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32​

 

[TLHKAJ]

My first thought is these are physical abuses, and not adultery in the case of forced prostitution (adultery implies a voluntary participation, IMO). She should move out to end the abuse and see what he does from there. He'll probably leave the relationship by being with another woman and the abused spouse would then be free to divorce. That would be the hope and intent, but even if he didn't and they remained married but separated, at least she has not sinned against the Lord. Just my two cents. Difficult matters, indeed. I wouldn't have an ounce of condemnation for a woman divorcing the slob in those circumstances even though, technically, there are no Biblical grounds for divorce. I leave that in the hands of God who judges in truth and in accuracy and considers all mitigating circumstances.

Thank you. In cases of women born into SRA (satanic ritual abuse) and MK Ultra, it isn't "just abuse" but involves satanic ritual/satanic worship and allegiance to the beast system. I know women who want free from that, not wanting to be used in ritual or any other way that helps further the agenda of the elite cult to bring in the antichrist. These are Christian women whose husbands serve the agenda of the elite cult, whose job it is to make sure their wives and children are available and accessible to the cult.