4 Years Are Left

[amigo de christo]

Sadly many of you think you will be saved, but you will not be saved, but will find yourselves condemned to be thrown onto the lake of lava by Yeshua because you didn't actually obey the commands of God in the Torah, which also involves rejecting fiat currency. Mere belief is not sufficient, obedience is also required.

Obediance and love cannot be seperated . I know that my friend . But you teaching this other stuff and adding other commandments
in which are not a sin , Make no sense at all .
I have long said we must be hearers and doers of all things JESUS did say and teach . But teaching the precepts of fiat money
as a commandment is a snare to the soul of whoever does believe it .
You are adding things that should not ever have been taught . IF we love Christ , WE OBEY CHRIST .
We dont add up other things and try and condmen others for that which is not even sin . REBUKE SIN , REBUKE ERROR
but dont rebuke that which is not sin .

 

[amigo de christo]

You still do not understand. Money itself is not what is evil, because gold and silver are good money, it is fiat currency what is evil. Fiat currency is a form of money all humanity has adopted to buy and sell with. Unless you renounce fiat currency you cannot be saved, because it is evil according to the Torah of God. Understand.

Say what . so everyone who has used paper money has been damned to hell . WOW .
And those who used only gold and silver are saved .......
that my friend sounds highly dangerous and deceptive to teach . POINT TO CHRIST not the mens teachings .

 

[amigo de christo]

You're probably wasting your breath, you know.

People teach the oddest things today . AS FOR ME , its GONNA be CHRIST and HIS teachings i point too .
I did try . But something is off my friend .

 

[gaviria.christian]

Show me in TORAH where GOD said to reject such a thing . HE said NOT to love nor trust in money . That HE DID say .
BUT to use it to buy those things ye have need of , Wait EVEN JESUS said to do that . THEY KEPT money in the bag my friend .
How can using money be evil . LOVING MONEY IS THE EVIL .

The Torah of God commands, "you shall not have false weights", Deuteronomy 25:13. "Dollars", "pesos", "pounds", were all names of weights previously by which the money of gold was measured, but when paper money was issued around a 100 years ago to represent gold, it was then devalued, and then eventually the backing of gold removed from the paper money thus turning it also into fiat currency. So then these names of weights became mere names that no longer represented gold nor even meant an actual weight, but rather became false weights, mere names and mere numbers, which is the mark of the beast in its two forms. And thus, anyone who possesses this form of money is breaking the command of God in the Torah, because it is a false weight, which is why it is the mark of the beast of Revelation. The prophecy was actually figuratively telling us of an evil form of money all humanity would adopt to buy and sell with, which today is fiat currency. Even the founding fathers of the USA were completely against paper money and fiat currency. It is a form of money that is morally wrong, because it impoverishes the world and makes the banks the owners of everything through devaluation and inflation and debt using a form of money that has no intrinsic value, as opposed to something real like gold whose value is based on weight.

 

[Truman]

People teach the oddest things today . AS FOR ME , its GONNA be CHRIST and HIS teachings i point too .
I did try . But something is off my friend .

You're telling me! Oh well...get those hands up, it's Lord-praising time! Lol

 

[amigo de christo]

Sing to the Lord a new song
Sing to the Lord all the earth
Sing to the lord, praise His holy name
Proclaim His salvation every day - Psalm 96:1,2

SING to the glorious LORD MY FRIEND . Yes indeed . ITS LORD PRAISING TIME in the building .

 

[amigo de christo]

The Torah of God commands, "you shall not have false weights", Deuteronomy 25:13. "Dollars", "pesos", "pounds", were all names of weights previously by which the money of gold was measured, but when paper money was issued around a 100 years ago to represent gold, it was then devalued, and then eventually the backing of gold removed from the paper money thus turning it also into fiat currency. So then these names of weights became mere names that no longer represented gold nor even meant an actual weight, but rather became false weights, mere names and mere numbers, which is the mark of the beast in its two forms. And thus, anyone who possesses this form of money is breaking the command of God in the Torah, because it is a false weight, which is why it is the mark of the beast of Revelation. The prophecy was actually figuratively telling us of an evil form of money all humanity would adopt to buy and sell with, which today is fiat currency. Even the founding fathers of the USA were completely against paper money and fiat currency. It is a form of money that is morally wrong, because it impoverishes the world and makes the banks the owners of everything through devaluation and inflation and debt using a form of money that has no intrinsic value, as opposed to something real like gold whose value is based on weight.

False weights . HE means weights that did not weigh what the person said they did .
An example . IF i had a weighing system set up . And i had my weights set up to cheat folks , THAT is evil .
It has nothing to do with currency at all . Its like having a ten lb weight , claiming it as seven .
THEN cheating the person who comes to you by saying its a seven pound weight . That is all that means my friend .They sold by weighing products .
THUS if someone brought me ten pounds of wool
and i start adding up my false weights to cheat them .
AKA , my weights are off in order to get more from them
and pay them less .

 

[gaviria.christian]

False weights . HE means weights that did not weigh what the person said they did .
An example . IF i had a weighing system set up . And i had my weights set up to cheat folks , THAT is evil .
It has nothing to do with currency at all . Its like having a ten lb weight , claiming it as seven .
THEN cheating the person who comes to you by saying its a ten pound weight . That is all that means my friend .

The command wasn't only forbidding literal stones labeled with a false measure of a weight, it was also forbidding any form of money with a false measure, which today comes in the form of fiat currency, because through its history from inception with gold certificates of paper money, to then devaluation, to then removal of the backing of gold to flat out "fiat currency", it has now brought humanity a worthless money that no longer represents the gold it was originally issued to represent. It is mere paper and numbers. A more deceptive and worse false weight in our time than the thieves who used false stones thousands of years ago. This isn't new knowledge, it's just that you people are too stubborn and are willfully ignorant to understand. Even the founding fathers of your own nation were completely against this form of money. I'm not preaching anything new. Even the constitution itself of the USA forbids fiat currency.

No State shall make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts.
United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1

The Constitution of the United States unquestionably intended to secure to the people a circulating medium of gold and silver. But the establishment of a national bank by Congress, with the privilege of issuing paper money receivable in the payment of the public dues, and the unfortunate course of legislation in the several States upon the same subject, drove from general circulation the constitutional currency and substituted one of paper in its place.
Andrew Jackson
1837, Farewell Address

Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice.
George Washington
1732-1799, Founding Father, 1st US President, ‘Father of the Country’
In letter to J. Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787

We are in danger of being overwhelmed with irredeemable paper, mere paper, representing not gold nor silver; no sir, representing nothing but broken promises, bad faith, bankrupt corporations, cheated creditors and a ruined people.
Daniel Webster
1782-1852, US Senator
Speech in the Senate, 1833

Of all contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes them with paper money.
Daniel Webster
1782-1852, US Senator

It is the paper money created out of thin air that creates the unfair distribution of wealth that is making the middle class fall more behind and the poor more poor.
Kenneth Gerbino
Former chairman of the American Economic Council
The Great Deceit, May 28, 2010

The surest way to destroy a nation is to debauch its currency.
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
First Leader of the Soviet Union

Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value, zero.
Voltaire

 

[Jay Ross]

Indeed you will know if i was right.

Well, since the Old Testament spans from Adam until the final judgement, its timeline of when the end will be does not agree with your predictions. You present a very different timeline to what is recorded in the Old Testament and as such I do know that you are not right.

Your presentations are based on your fantasies of what you believe can be found in the scripture. There seems to be something lacking in your discernment, that would cause a horse to pig root and throw you off such that you will land in the miry clay and you will become covered from head to toe with the mud, if that is what we can call it..

 

[gaviria.christian]

Well, since the Old Testament spans from Adam until the final judgement, its timeline of when the end will be does not agree with your predictions. You present a very different timeline to what is recorded in the Old Testament and as such I do know that you are not right.

Your presentations are based on your fantasies of what you believe can be found in the scripture. There seems to be something lacking in your discernment, that would cause a horse to pig root and throw you off such that you will land in the miry clay and you will become covered from head to toe with the mud, if that is what we can call it..

I have developed an elaborate excel spreadsheet that has blocks of time justified by scripture, which in all proves the year we are in since creation. 7,000 Year Timeline of the Earth - Wisdom of God

 

[Jay Ross]

I have developed an elaborate excel spreadsheet that has blocks of time justified by scripture, which in all proves the year we are in since creation. 7,000 Year Timeline of the Earth - Wisdom of God

After considering your excel spreadsheet my post above is confirmed, as there are a number of illogical errors based on flawed understanding of the scriptures.

Christ in Matt 24:32 gives a clue as to when the seventh age begins. It also tells us when all of Israel will be saved. I would suggest to you that your end for this present age is out by nearly 20 years and that it will be a further 20 or so years before we will experience the events around the end of this present age.

I too have developed an elaborate excel spreadsheet, but I am realistic in that the story telling accuracies which we have to rely on could give us a plus or minus error of up to 10 years either way. I also accept that the correlation of todays calendar with the biblical timeline is also not accurately known either.

Now I am not interested in having a, "Who has the bigger stick to dong the other party with," discussion as to who is probably nearer the mark of when this present age will conclude. I am also aware that you will disappear for a while to lick your wounds when people begin to question the rational of your POV.

Now if you want to continue posting in this thread sounding your own trumpet, then be my guest to do so, but do not expect me to join in on that type of discussion.

Goodbye

 

[bbyrd009]

Except none of you are ready, because not only are you not aware of the appointed times of God according to the Torah of Moses, but you are also unaware that you all already have the mark of the beast in these final 4 years, which is a prophecy that spoke about an evil form of money that all humanity would adopt, which today has come in the form of fiat currency. You all are already condemned and will painstakingly remember that I was right in the oncoming years.

wadr your time is gonna be up before then even, according to your last divination of the future, got it around here somewhere...oh, diff pc

anyway, fiat money is perfectly acceptable, as Lincoln's (original) Greenbacks showed quite amazingly, and i would counsel that everyone ignore you, and anyone else who thinks that the Bible can be used to predict the future. Im sure you mean well--ah, scratch that too, i guess--so, best of luck to you, Judgemental Guy

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Wow! This place is just a magnet for the crazies. I would have thought at this point, i’d heard it all. Then gaviria shows up and proves me wrong. There is no off switch to the craziness around here.

 

[Truman]

We shouldn't take a chance. He could be right. I'll get rid of all the evil money. Send it to this bank account...Lol

 

[gaviria.christian]

After considering your excel spreadsheet my post above is confirmed, as there are a number of illogical errors based on flawed understanding of the scriptures.

Christ in Matt 24:32 gives a clue as to when the seventh age begins. It also tells us when all of Israel will be saved. I would suggest to you that your end for this present age is out by nearly 20 years and that it will be a further 20 or so years before we will experience the events around the end of this present age.

I too have developed an elaborate excel spreadsheet, but I am realistic in that the story telling accuracies which we have to rely on could give us a plus or minus error of up to 10 years either way. I also accept that the correlation of todays calendar with the biblical timeline is also not accurately known either.

Now I am not interested in having a, "Who has the bigger donger," discussion as to who is probably nearer the mark of when this present age will conclude. I am also aware that you will disappear for a while to lick your wounds when people begin to question the rational of your POV.

Now if you want to continue posting in this thread sounding your own trumpet, then be my guest to do so, but do not expect me to join in on that type of discussion.

Goodbye

You will be more angered than you are now when you realize I was right in these next 4 final years. I don't need to argue this with anyone, because I am right and will eventually been proven right by the events that are about to unfold in the world, but I will leave you with 1 more verse where Hosea tells us that Yeshua returns 2,000 years from his first coming. 2026 AD is precisely 2,000 years since his anointing in 26 AD, because 26 AD was precisely 4,000 years since creation and 2026 AD is precisely 6,000 years from creation, and both are Yovel years, which align perfectly. You are as stiff-necked as the first generation of the sons of Israel were in the desert, and just as they, you will not inherit the kingdom to come, on this current stubborn path you are on.

For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, and like a young lion to the house of Judah. I will tear them to pieces! I will send them off, and no one will be left to rescue them. I will return again to my place, until they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face, and in their distress earnestly seek me. “Come, let us return to the Master; for he has torn us, that he may heal us; he has struck us down, and he will bandage us up. After 2 days he will revive us; on the 3rd day he will raise us up, that we may live before him. Let us know; let us press on to know the Master. As sure as the morning sun, he will appear. He will come to us as the showers, as the spring rains that water the earth.”
Hosea 5:14-6:3

 

[gaviria.christian]

wadr your time is gonna be up before then even, according to your last divination of the future, got it around here somewhere...oh, diff pc

anyway, fiat money is perfectly acceptable, as Lincoln's (original) Greenbacks showed quite amazingly, and i would counsel that everyone ignore you, and anyone else who thinks that the Bible can be used to predict the future. Im sure you mean well--ah, scratch that too, i guess--so, best of luck to you, Judgemental Guy

Except when it collapses, and you all go hungry because of it. Then will you say fiat currency is perfectly acceptable? I will leave you with 1 verse, where Ezekiel tells us that you people will throw your worthless money on the streets, and will go hungry. Which is already happening in Venezuela, and will happen at a greater scale in the world entirely in the next 4 years. Money will become your stumbling block, because you failed to acknowledge it is evil and discarded the command of God in the Torah that says, "you shall have righteous weights", which fiat currency is not.

They will cast their silver into the streets, and their gold will become an unclean thing. Their silver and gold will not able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Master. They cannot satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it. For it has become a stumbling block because of their torahlessness.
Ezekiel 7:19

 

[Truman]

You will be more angered than you are now when you realize I was right in these next 4 final years. I don't need to argue this with anyone, because I am right and will eventually been proven right by the events that are about to unfold in the world, but I will leave you with 1 more verse where Hosea tells us that Yeshua returns 2,000 years from his first coming. 2026 AD is precisely 2,000 years since his anointing in 26 AD, because 26 AD was precisely 4,000 years since creation and 2026 AD is precisely 6,000 years from creation, and both are Yovel years, which align perfectly. You are as stiff-necked as the first generation of the sons of Israel were in the desert, and just as they, you will not inherit the kingdom to come, on this current stubborn path you are on.

For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, and like a young lion to the house of Judah. I will tear them to pieces! I will send them off, and no one will be left to rescue them. I will return again to my place, until they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face, and in their distress earnestly seek me. “Come, let us return to the Master; for he has torn us, that he may heal us; he has struck us down, and he will bandage us up. After 2 days he will revive us; on the 3rd day he will raise us up, that we may live before him. Let us know; let us press on to know the Master. As sure as the morning sun, he will appear. He will come to us as the showers, as the spring rains that water the earth.”
Hosea 5:14-6:3

I know God. I know it when people know God. You don't know God. All you have are a bunch of phony thoughts in your head and a pride that keeps you from seeing your fraudulence. Your god is being right. I know God. You don't know God.

 

[gaviria.christian]

I know God. I know it when people know God. You don't know God. All you have are a bunch of phony thoughts in your head and a pride that keeps you from seeing your fraudulence. Your god is being right. I know God. You don't know God.

Do you? The rebellious house of Judah that put to death the prophets and Yeshua himself also thought they knew God. You people do not like being told the truth and being told that the money you use daily is evil. Until when will you finally believe and acknowledge the truth? When fiat currency collapses and you hunger? Or perhaps when you are struck with plagues at the return of Yeshua and you are in agony with boils and the sun burns you with fire and every building around you becomes rubble? Or finally perhaps when you are judged and put to shame and thrown over lava like garbage for your destruction? Sadly I presume that it will not be until the very end that you will finally acknowledge the truth, with knees bent.

 

[Truman]

Do you? The rebellious house of Judah that put to death the prophets and Yeshua himself also thought they knew God. You people do not like being told the truth and being told that the money you use daily is evil. Until when will you finally believe and acknowledge the truth? When fiat currency collapses and you hunger? Or perhaps when you are struck with plagues at the return of Yeshua and you are in agony with boils and the sun burns you with fire and every building around you becomes rubble? Or finally perhaps when you are judged and put to shame and thrown over lava like garbage for your destruction? Sadly I presume that it will not be until the very end that you will finally acknowledge the truth, with knees bent.

There you go talking about money as if there's anything to it. I don't know you, but from listening to you, when it comes to spiritual matters concerning Yahweh-Elohim, you are stupid. People point this out to you day after day but it does no good.
Why? Because you remain stupid. That's the blunt truth. There are many people on this forum that I disagree with concerning many matters, but I know they know God and they know I know God. No one has complete knowledge.
You remind me of someone I know on another forum. He too is unteachable, aka stupid. People tell him the truth for days on end, and it does no good. If you stopped with what you think you know, had an ounce of humility, and listed to others, you could change. But I don't think you will because you don't want to. Why? Honestly, I don't know why. For lack of another word, I use the word stupid. Because in my eyes, you are. And I know that I am absolutely wasting my time talking to you. Some will see my insensitivity and be offended with it. But nothing else works.
If I take a large rubber band, hook it over a fence post, and pull on it 1 million times, you know where I get? Nowhere! You know what I get? Frustrated. The 1 thing I get from it is the knowledge that trying to get through to you is a complete waste of time. There's no point continuing to talk to you. The God you say you know once told me, "There is no one as blind as the blind man who believes he sees." He was talking to me, and I eventually realized it. I'm a slow learner, but I eventually do learn. How about you?
They say you can't fix stupid, but I'm living proof that with God, all things are possible. So there is hope for you. And stop with this stupid money thing. No one is going to hell because of money. It is not the mark of the beast.

 

[gaviria.christian]

There you go talking about money as if there's anything to it. I don't know you, but from listening to you, when it comes to spiritual matters concerning Yahweh-Elohim, you are stupid. People point this out to you day after day but it does no good.
Why? Because you remain stupid. That's the blunt truth. There are many people on this forum that I disagree with concerning many matters, but I know they know God and they know I know God. No one has complete knowledge.
You remind me of someone I know on another forum. He too is unteachable, aka stupid. People tell him the truth for days on end, and it does no good. If you stopped with what you think you know, had an ounce of humility, and listed to others, you could change. But I don't think you will because you don't want to. Why? Honestly, I don't know why. For lack of another word, I use the word stupid. Because in my eyes, you are. And I know that I am absolutely wasting my time talking to you. Some will see my insensitivity and be offended with it. But nothing else works.
If I take a large rubber band, hook it over a fence post, and pull on it 1 million times, you know where I get? Nowhere! You know what I get? Frustrated. The 1 thing I get from it is the knowledge that trying to get through to you is a complete waste of time. There's no point continuing to talk to you. The God you say you know once told me, "There is no one as blind as the blind man who believes he sees." He was talking to me, and I eventually realized it. I'm a slow learner, but I eventually do learn. How about you?
They say you can't fix stupid, but I'm living proof that with God, all things are possible. So there is hope for you. And stop with this stupid money thing. No one is going to hell because of money. It is not the mark of the beast.

Calling a man of God "stupid" will not go unpunished. Eventually the prophets and people of God that were ridiculed and put to death will be resurrected and will sit in judgment against the world at the return of Yeshua. And all who mistreated the people of God will be forced to bend the knee and honor the people of God, and will be condemned to be thrown over lava like garbage, without mercy. You will not be excepted from this, on this current path you are on.