The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

[Enoch111]

Jesus never once ever killed or physically harmed anyone.

That is because His first coming was to offer salvation to all. His Second Coming will bring damnation to the wicked, the ungodly, the unrighteous and the unbelieving. And there will be a river of blood 200 miles long and 5 feet deep. That is because hundreds of thousands will be killed and destroyed by Him -- by the Word of His mouth and by the brightness of His coming.

Getting back to the possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens, that is for their own protection. Christians do not need to own firearms if they choose not too. Christians are not forbidden to defend themselves against criminals and evildoers either. But all this talk about gun control every time there is a mass shooting is simply playacting. Those Leftist politicians do not give a hoot for either the victims or the perpetrators. They use these incidents to incite hatred against the opposition. Rather than talk about "gun control" they should talk about "criminal control". But since most of them are already criminals, they dare not ask to be cuffed and jailed.

 

[quietthinker]

That is because His first coming was to offer salvation to all. His Second Coming will bring damnation to the wicked, the ungodly, the unrighteous and the unbelieving. And there will be a river of blood 200 miles long and 5 feet deep. That is because hundreds of thousands will be killed and destroyed by Him -- by the Word of His mouth and by the brightness of His coming.

Getting back to the possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens, that is for their own protection. Christians do not need to own firearms if they choose not too. Christians are not forbidden to defend themselves against criminals and evildoers either. But all this talk about gun control every time there is a mass shooting is simply playacting. Those Leftist politicians do not give a hoot for either the victims or the perpetrators. They use these incidents to incite hatred against the opposition. Rather than talk about "gun control" they should talk about "criminal control". But since most of them are already criminals, they dare not ask to be cuffed and jailed.

A violent bloodthirsty God is what the devil wants people to believe in.

 

[Wrangler]

It is not disingenuous at all, friend. If you were in a military unit: And your commanding officer told you to go on a mission that was non-violent, then

That is where your post is disingenuous. My commanding officer told me to sell my coat and buy a sword and no amount of subterfuge will distract me from accomplishing my mission.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus never once ever killed or physically harmed anyone.

That does not mean others can escape the obligation of using deadly force to protect innocent lives.

The one aspect of the Superhero genre that is reprehensible is that a good guy can always find a non-violent solution. This is why, in the end, Jesus will return as a military conquorer.

 

[Wrangler]

To help folks understand my position:

I am not against the use of gun ownership. I am just against the use of violence to kill or harm somebody.

Another profoundly disingenuous post.

The reason for the right to individual gun ownership is the lawful use of violence to kill or harm somebody.

 

[Titus]

But what if I had a condition and you killed me? Is that what the Lord wants?
Does he want you to kill other believers in Jesus Christ?
To even talk about this hypothetically makes me worry about you.
I am truly worried you don’t know the Lord if you threaten other believers with violence because they don’t agree with you involving Theology

You are smart enough to know I would never physically beat you to prove my point.
Jesus does teach non-violence against our enemies except when our lives are in danger of long term physical harm or death.

Heres another real life story,
A servant of satan entered a church on Sunday in Texas.
This servant of the devil had on a wig a long trench coat.
Under his coat was a 12 gauge sawed off shotgun.

Worship begins.
They come to the partaking of the Lords supper.
The servant of satan, stands up turns to a member that is passing the fruit of the vine.
He reveals his weapon of death.
The brother in Christ has no time to react.
The servant of satan pulls the trigger and sends the brother in Christ to his maker.

Now, imagine if Bible Highlighter had taught His error of non-violence to this church.
Would the devil be pleased?
Yes, for his servant would have no one with the power to stop his slaughter of the lambs.

The devils work could be done.

Thank God, this church knew God approves of violence when no other options are left.

After the servant of satan murdered the innocent child of God.
btw, his daughter got to witness her dad's murder.
There was a Christian named Jack Wilson, that was not going to allow satan to take anymore of Gods children.

So, out of love for God and love for others, Jack drew His Sig Sauer p229 chambered in 357 sig.
And put a bullet in the brain of the devils servant.
This ended anymore death.
This was the best option.
If they tried to subdue the man, more would have been murdered.
A gun was the most effective tool for stopping the evil that occurred that Lords day.

Guns are a gift from God.
They can be used as the most effective means to quickly put an end to murderous minds that will not have mercy on anyone till they cause as much harm as they physically can.

I thank God for godly men like Jack Wilson.
I think God I live in a free country where I can protect my brethren, family, friends and self.
I thank God for guns.
I thank God not all Christians have been deceived into believing
Bible Highlighters false doctrine of pacifism.

I know of folks who misunderstood the scriptures as Bible Highlighter does.
Then their homes were broken into.
Some had to watch their wives be raped.

Others are not here with us,

How can Gods people go about preaching the gospel to save souls for Jesus, if we are dead?
Yes, God wants us to defend ourselves in order that we might continue in doing good for the cause of Christ.

 

[Wrangler]

If we are to walk as Jesus Christ walked, and follow His life, then violence is not what He taught.

You are simply wrong on the fact of the matter. In the end, Jesus taught to sell your coat and buy a sword IF you don't already have one.

Jesus took the beatings and was crucified.

It disgusts me that you are comparing Jesus' walk with ours. The purpose of Jesus taking the beatings and be crucified was NOT for the principle of non-resistance.

Again, I say IF there were ANY truth to what you are saying, Jesus would not be prophesied to return as the militarily conquering hero.

 

[quietthinker]

You are smart enough to know I would never physically beat you to prove my point.
Jesus does teach non-violence against our enemies except when our lives are in danger of long term physical harm or death.

Heres another real life story,
A servant of satan entered a church on Sunday in Texas.
This servant of the devil had on a wig a long trench coat.
Under his coat was a 12 gauge sawed off shotgun.

Worship begins.
They come to the partaking of the Lords supper.
The servant of satan, stands up turns to a member that is passing the fruit of the vine.
He reveals his weapon of death.
The brother in Christ has no time to react.
The servant of satan pulls the trigger and sends the brother in Christ to his maker.

Now, imagine if Bible Highlighter had taught His error of non-violence to this church.
Would the devil be pleased?
Yes, for his servant would have no one with the power to stop his slaughter of the lambs.

The devils work could be done.

Thank God, this church knew God approves of violence when no other options are left.

After the servant of satan murdered the innocent child of God.
btw, his daughter got to witness her dad's murder.
There was a Christian named Jack Wilson, that was not going to allow satan to take anymore of Gods children.

So, out of love for God and love for others, Jack drew His Sig Sauer p229 chambered in 357 sig.
And put a bullet in the brain of the devils servant.
This ended anymore death.
This was the best option.
If they tried to subdue the man, more would have been murdered.
A gun was the most effective tool for stopping the evil that occurred that Lords day.

Guns are a gift from God.
They can be used as the most effective means to quickly put an end to murderous minds that will not have mercy on anyone till they cause as much harm as they physically can.

I thank God for godly men like Jack Wilson.
I think God I live in a free country where I can protect my brethren, family, friends and self.
I thank God for guns.
I thank God not all Christians have been deceived into believing
Bible Highlighters false doctrine of pacifism.

I know of folks who misunderstood the scriptures as Bible Highlighter does.
Then their homes were broken into.
Some had to watch their wives be raped.

Others are not here with us,

How can Gods people go about preaching the gospel to save souls for Jesus, if we are dead?
Yes, God wants us to defend ourselves in order that we might continue in doing good for the cause of Christ.

Let's save souls for Jesus but kill them if they get nasty.
This message in reality is, don't give a tinkers toss for dysfunctional people....eliminate them.
How do we interpret Jesus' words 'don't resist an evil man' ? Matthew 5:29

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is because His first coming was to offer salvation to all. His Second Coming will bring damnation to the wicked, the ungodly, the unrighteous and the unbelieving. And there will be a river of blood 200 miles long and 5 feet deep. That is because hundreds of thousands will be killed and destroyed by Him -- by the Word of His mouth and by the brightness of His coming.

Yes, I am in 100% full agreement that, and I am willing to follow my Lord into physical battle at His Second Coming to bring justice to those who are in disobedience to GOD when our obedience is fulfilled in this life.

2 Corinthians 10:6
“And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.”

In other words, the saints who follow Jesus at His second coming into battle are disembodied saints who lived out their faith already.
It is not describing an event where the saints are still alive and living out their faith.

Getting back to the possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens, that is for their own protection. Christians do not need to own firearms if they choose not too. Christians are not forbidden to defend themselves against criminals and evildoers either. But all this talk about gun control every time there is a mass shooting is simply playacting. Those Leftist politicians do not give a hoot for either the victims or the perpetrators. They use these incidents to incite hatred against the opposition. Rather than talk about "gun control" they should talk about "criminal control". But since most of them are already criminals, they dare not ask to be cuffed and jailed.

I agree with the poster of the OP in regards to not killing others while living out our faith under the New Covenant. Jesus and His followers were clear on this issue, and I will bring up those verses again to show everyone here that fact by our Lord. However, I disagree with the poster of the OP in that Christians cannot own guns. Christians were allowed to eat meat in the New Testament. I am not against a Christian owning a gun for hunting for food, and even to scare off bad people. But a Christian is commanded by the Lord to not take life. So the kind of rationalization you are making does not matter. The world is going to take up guns (like the police, the army, etcetera). God uses them as an arm of justice like God was able to use Assyria (an unbelieving nation) to chasten or rebuke Israel for their sins.

Besides, there was one Christian I know of who has even served in the military who did not take up a weapon to protect himself, and he still put his life on the line to save many lives.

His name was Desmond Doss.

Desmond Doss - Wikipedia

Granted, he was not a perfect man. He did hold to the error of the SDA Church in that says we must keep all of the 613 Old Testament Law of Moses (like keeping the Saturday Sabbath, etcetera; For the Old Law is no more because we are not under the Old Covenant contract anymore according to Scripture. Believers are to follow the commands of Jesus and His followers in the pages of the New Testament, instead).

Anyways, I don’t believe changing the laws by political means, or protesting is the way of GOD. We don’t see any method like this employed by the early apostles. The Lord wants us to preach the good news (the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4), preach the Word, help the poor, love the brethren, and love our enemies. We are to love everyone while we live out our faith. For our battle is a spiritual one and not physical.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

A violent bloodthirsty God is what the devil wants people to believe in.

I am a New Testament Non-Resistant Christian. In other words, I believe our Lord did not want us to kill others under any circumstance while we live out our faith under the New Covenant contract. But that does not mean that the Lord will not return and destroy evil people who refuse to repent. The Lord is not blood thirsty because He is wiping out wicked people at His Second Coming. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. God provided a way of escape for all men, but if they don’t take that way of escape, then that is on them. Wickedness will be destroyed because you cannot have peace without a battle. Granted, God has the power to snap His fingers and make the wicked disappear into nothingness. But then there would be no justice for the evil that they did.

 

[Titus]

Let's save souls for Jesus but kill them if they get nasty.
This message in reality is, don't give a tinkers toss for dysfunctional people....eliminate them.
How do we interpret Jesus' words 'don't resist an evil man' ? Matthew 5:29

All good men will be eliminated by evil men if good men sit idly by.
It is a sin to not defend self or others when the wicked attack with physical violence.

 

[Episkopos]

The problem is not with guns per se but with a gun culture. America is a place of extremes and that includes extreme irresponsibility. People tend to react to an extremist view with another extreme view ...thinking that 2 extremes make a balance. But very few seek balance by advocating....balance! Likewise in the US we see racism being fought with more racism of another kind. Whereas a man like MLK advocated equality....balance. His arguments are being cast aside for a more extreme racist view advocated by race baiters (hucksters) like BLM.

There's nothing wrong with guns, or knives, or even explosives.

Cain killed Abel with a rock. Should we ban rocks? The problem is in the human heart. Should we own knives? Knives are the MOST popular weapon in homicides.

I own several rifles that I have used to hunt and target shoot. I would never think of those guns as weapons to be used against people.

Besides, guns don't kill.....it's the bullets.

In the US people are trained to shoot at human forms on targets. To me, that's a problem right there. In the club that I was part of it was illegal to shoot at human form targets. But I live in a moderate country (Canada).

 

[quietthinker]

I am a New Testament Non-Resistant Christian. In other words, I believe our Lord did not want us to kill others under any circumstance while we live out our faith under the New Covenant contract. But that does not mean that the Lord will not return and destroy evil people who refuse to repent. The Lord is not blood thirsty because He is wiping out wicked people at His Second Coming. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. God provided a way of escape for all men, but if they don’t take that way of escape, then that is on them. Wickedness will be destroyed because you cannot have peace without a battle. Granted, God has the power to snap His fingers and make the wicked disappear into nothingness. But then there would be no justice for the evil that they did.

God's weapons are not those of evil. Jesus amply demonstrated this!

 

[quietthinker]

All good men will be eliminated by evil men if good men sit idly by.
It is a sin to not defend self or others when the wicked attack with physical violence.

'do not resist an evil man' sounds plain and its meaning easy enough to understand. The fact that men do not want to understand it is testimony to the dominance of the carnal nature.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is where your post is disingenuous. My commanding officer told me to sell my coat and buy a sword and no amount of subterfuge will distract me from accomplishing my mission.

But that’s not the end of the story in Scripture. We don’t see your scenario of battle being played out at all with the swords being used to win some kind of physical battle. Actually, the exact opposite happened. Jesus rebuked Peter for using his sword.

1. Jesus warned Peter that he that lives by the sword will die by the sword.
2. Jesus also told him to put his sword back in it’s place.
3. Jesus said that He could have asked the Father for thousands of angels to protect Him if He wanted.
4. Jesus undoes Peter’s damage in that he chopped off Malchus’s ear (Note: Jesus did not say, “Good job Peter! That’s why I told you to take up your sword. Now, chop off his other ear!”).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God's weapons are not those of evil. Jesus amply demonstrated this!

So you don’t believe in a literal Second Coming of Jesus Christ where He wipes out evil nations by a real physical battle?

If that is the case, then that is very strange that you would reject such a basic and plain reading in Scripture, friend.

 

[Titus]

Cain killed Abel with a rock.

Cain did not kill Abel with a rock.

God thought it so unimportant what weapon Cain used.
God did not even mention it.

It is the mind of men that is sinful.
Not objects, that can be used for good or evil.

I watched a story about Canada.
A psychopath got on a transit bus with a 7 inch military knife.

When the bus took off, the psychopath pulled his weapon and attacked the man next to him.
The man was asleep.
He never saw it coming.
The psychopath cut off the mans head, completely severed.
He then ate the mans eyes.
He then carried the head around the bus.
Since canadians cannot defend themselves.
The rest of the folks on the bus did NOTHING to help the now dead man.

No one in Canada can carry a handgun in the city and use it for self- defense.
If I was on that bus that day.
It is a good possibility that man that was murdered would still be alive.
No one can protect themselves in countries outside of the USA.
This is why it is good and right to have the God given right to defend one self or others with lethal force if it is needed.
Fact: the most crime occurs in America where Americans are not armed.
The areas where citizens have the most guns. The crime rates are the lowest.

It is well known in the US why we have fewer home break in's in the boonies.

Criminals know country folk have guns!
And we can legally use them to protect our families

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are smart enough to know I would never physically beat you to prove my point.
Jesus does teach non-violence against our enemies except when our lives are in danger of long term physical harm or death.

Actually, I am not a mind reader. I did not know your true heart intentions. No Christian would even hypothetically say this. They would use a third party example of an unbeliever.

Heres another real life story,
A servant of satan entered a church on Sunday in Texas.
This servant of the devil had on a wig a long trench coat.
Under his coat was a 12 gauge sawed off shotgun.

Worship begins.
They come to the partaking of the Lords supper.
The servant of satan, stands up turns to a member that is passing the fruit of the vine.
He reveals his weapon of death.
The brother in Christ has no time to react.
The servant of satan pulls the trigger and sends the brother in Christ to his maker.

Now, imagine if Bible Highlighter had taught His error of non-violence to this church.
Would the devil be pleased?
Yes, for his servant would have no one with the power to stop his slaughter of the lambs.

The devils work could be done.

Thank God, this church knew God approves of violence when no other options are left.

After the servant of satan murdered the innocent child of God.
btw, his daughter got to witness her dad's murder.
There was a Christian named Jack Wilson, that was not going to allow satan to take anymore of Gods children.

So, out of love for God and love for others, Jack drew His Sig Sauer p229 chambered in 357 sig.
And put a bullet in the brain of the devils servant.
This ended anymore death.
This was the best option.
If they tried to subdue the man, more would have been murdered.
A gun was the most effective tool for stopping the evil that occurred that Lords day.

Guns are a gift from God.
They can be used as the most effective means to quickly put an end to murderous minds that will not have mercy on anyone till they cause as much harm as they physically can.

I thank God for godly men like Jack Wilson.
I think God I live in a free country where I can protect my brethren, family, friends and self.
I thank God for guns.
I thank God not all Christians have been deceived into believing
Bible Highlighters false doctrine of pacifism.

I know of folks who misunderstood the scriptures as Bible Highlighter does.
Then their homes were broken into.
Some had to watch their wives be raped.

Others are not here with us,

How can Gods people go about preaching the gospel to save souls for Jesus, if we are dead?
Yes, God wants us to defend ourselves in order that we might continue in doing good for the cause of Christ.

To live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Peter wanted to stop Jesus from going to the cross.
Peter wanted to stop men from hurting Jesus by taking up his sword.
But Jesus rebuked Peter on both accounts because He was not able to see the bigger picture in God’s plan.
I will attempt to later focus on what I think are the best verses in my list for Non-Resistance and we can deal with them one at a time.
We can even talk about verses you think appear to teach the use of defense by violence in the New Testament (Which I believe does not exist).

I used to believe a Christian could take up weapons to protect themselves. I used to believe as you do. I did not have a problem with lethal force involving the police or the army, etcetera. But when I learned of the verses in the New Testament that Non-Violence was what the Lord taught while living out our faith under the New Covenant contract, then that was a truth I had to accept. I had to put aside my own way of thinking and accept what the Lord was teaching in His Word. I know this is probably exceptionally difficult for you to accept because you seem to think like the world thinks that we need to have justice now and we need to shoot people if they are bad. You need to think that all people are deserving of salvation. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

 

[Mantis]

Cain did not kill Abel with a rock.

God thought it so unimportant what weapon Cain used.
God did not even mention it.

It is the mind of men that is sinful.
Not objects, that can be used for good or evil.

I watched a story about Canada.
A psychopath got on a transit bus with a 7 inch military knife.

When the bus took off, the psychopath pulled his weapon and attacked the man next to him.
The man was asleep.
He never saw it coming.
The psychopath cut off the mans head, completely severed.
He then ate the mans eyes.
He then carried the head around the bus.
Since canadians cannot defend themselves.
The rest of the folks on the bus did NOTHING to help the now dead man.

No one in Canada can carry a handgun in the city and use it for self- defense.
If I was on that bus that day.
It is a good possibility that man that was murdered would still be alive.
No one can protect themselves in countries outside of the USA.
This is why it is good and right to have the God given right to defend one self or others with lethal force if it is needed.
Fact: the most crime occurs in America where Americans are not armed.
The areas where citizens have the most guns. The crime rates are the lowest.

It is well known in the US why we have fewer home break in's in the boonies.

Criminals know country folk have guns!
And we can legally use them to protect our families

Good post. It should be eye opening to the anti gun people. But sadly most are gel bent on their political mouth foaming.

 

[Titus]

Actually, I am not a mind reader. I did not know your true heart intentions. No Christian would even hypothetically say this. They would use a third party example of an unbeliever

Wrong!
I used myself to make the point more reality than fiction.
That is just your opinion that Christians would not.
And no I would not physically attack anyone to prove a point.