Condemnation is Only for the Confused Non- OSAS Crowd

[BloodBought 1953]

According to Romans 8:1 “ There is now NO CONDEMNATION for those “ IN” Christ Jesus....”

Yes, the “True Saints” are IN Christ Jesus and they “ have passed from Death unto Life”
OSAS adherents know that they can never lose their Salvation......The opposing Crowd, the NON OSAS adherents , believe that one can Absolutely lose their Salvation....Are they REALLY saying , “ I can lose my Salvation,therefore I must not be “ In Christ?”

Logic dictates that if one can lose their Salvation they INEVITABLY would Have to “ Come under Condemnation” as a part of that.....

Any and All that come under Condemnation are not “ In Christ” and never were, simply by definition.....

The Non OSAS people have concocted “ Another Jesus” who NEVER Promised Eternal Life To Anybody —— this flies in the very face of Romans 8:1.....

If you preach a message of possible Condemnation for yourself and others, as the Non OSAS “ believers” Do , Maybe it's because you are Confused— “Confused” because you think that you are “ In Christ “, but you really are not ......You are not capable of hearing and understanding Anything that might even “ Smell” Of Grace—- The Pure Grace That Saved everybody that was ever Saved, and you Reject it!

Romans 8:1 is the Epitome Of God’s Grace.....there are no Conditions attached to it other than being “ In Christ” .....If you just can’t fathom the Grace inherent in this Verse you might want to make sure that YOU are In Christ—— the Christ that PROMISES the Eternal Security Of The Believer....NOT the “ Christ” that your Unbelief has conjured up.....

 

[farouk]

Romans 8 is a gloriously assuring passage for the believer.

 

[Taken]

The Gift of Salvation is Given;
To a Heartfully Confessed Believer;
After a bodily DEATH has Occurred.

Once the Heartful Confession of Belief is Made.
And the body Becomes DEAD.
The Gift is Given Once and Forever.

Once and Forever the Gift is Given AND Received,
IS OSAS.

Those who do not believe, OSAS, Completely IGNORE, the DEATH of the Body HAS OCCURRED....which NOT ONCE have they Scripturally Supported their position, of a DEAD BODY coming BACK TO LIFE, and DENOUNCING their Heartfelt Belief in order TO THUS, “LOSE THEIR SALVATION”!

They Completely IGNORE....the meaning of ONCE.
ONCE is the Literal meaning of HAVING RECEIVED SALVATION.

 

[GEN2REV]

According to Romans 8:1 “ There is now NO CONDEMNATION for those “ IN” Christ Jesus....”

Yes, the “True Saints” are IN Christ Jesus and they “ have passed from Death unto Life”
OSAS adherents know that they can never lose their Salvation......The opposing Crowd, the NON OSAS adherents , believe that one can Absolutely lose their Salvation....

Logic dictates that if one can lose their Salvation they INEVITABLY would Have to “ Come under Condemnation” as a part of that.....

Any and All that come under Condemnation are not “ In Christ” and never were, simply by definition.....

The Non OSAS people have concocted “ Another Jesus” who NEVER Promise Eternal Life To Anybody —— this flies in the very face of Romans 8:1.....

If you preach a message of possible Condemnation for yourself and others, as the Non OSAS “ believers” Do , Maybe it's because you are Confused— “Confused” because you think that you are “ In Christ “, but you really are not ......You are not capable of hearing and understanding Anything that might even “ Smell” Of Grace—- The Pure Grace That Saved everybody that was ever Saved, and you Reject it!

Romans 8:1 is the Epitome Of God’s Grace.....there are no Conditions attached to it other than being “ In Christ” .....If you just can’t fathom the Grace inherent in this Verse you might want to make sure that YOU are In Christ—— the Christ that PROMISES the Eternal Security Of The Believer....NOT the “ Christ” that your Unbelief has conjured up.....

All these things are conditional on obedience.

Proof:
John 14:21-23

We must keep in our hearts, and obey, the Commandments. Jesus' words, not mine.

Proof:
Matthew 7:21-23

These being turned away are Christians. It is not possible to cast demons out of people without faith - impossible. These believed, but did not obey and commit themselves fully to Christ.

Jesus tells us that those on the side of the devil DO NOT cast out demons; thus these people who Jesus is rejecting here are 100% certain believers ... Christians. Matthew 12:25-27

Your Romans 8:1 verse is contradicted by John 15:2, John 15:6. Any time there is a contradiction in Scripture, that means that the original assumed translation of one of the verses is incorrect and must be revised. Those IN Christ can, and do, lose their appointment in the Kingdom.

Also, the 'Many' who say 'Lord, Lord' are told that they are being turned away for being "workers of iniquity." That means that they lived in sin and worked that lifestyle into the rest of the community by their example.

No honest Christian can deny these passages and points to the contrary of your OP.

It is what it is. Accept it or resume your Truth-less trajectory.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

All these things are conditional on obedience



It’s Strange how Paul left that out of such a clear, powerful verse—- Despite your best convoluted effort to cram your “Works” Gospel into it.....

If I may quote you... “ It is what it is”

To maintain that you can be Condemned is tantamount to saying that you are NOT “ In Christ”....You might want to consider “ Repenting” before it’s too late...Your Confused, erroneous thinking might have you in jeopardy....it’s going to be “ Bad News” for all of you Grace Rejectors, especially in light of the fact that Jesus says that is the thing that we Saved by....it’s Faith in HIS Performance— NOT yours !

 

[GEN2REV]

All these things are conditional on obedience

It’s Strange how Paul left that out of such a clear, powerful verse—- Despite your best convoluted effort to cram your “Works” Gospel into it.....

Paul gives conditions for Salvation in many passages.

Here are just a handful; all preached to Christians IN Christ:

Hebrews 6:4-6
Hebrews 10:26-31
Galatians 5:19-21
Ephesians 5:3-7
1 Corinthians 6:7-11

 

[ScottA]

John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

 

[ScottA]

All these things are conditional on obedience.

Proof:
John 14:21-23

We must keep in our hearts, and obey, the Commandments. Jesus' words, not mine.

Proof:
Matthew 7:21-23

These being turned away are Christians. It is not possible to cast demons out of people without faith - impossible. These believed, but did not obey and commit themselves fully to Christ.

Jesus tells us that those on the side of the devil DO NOT cast out demons; thus these people who Jesus is rejecting here are 100% certain believers ... Christians. Matthew 12:25-27

Your Romans 8:1 verse is contradicted by John 15:2, John 15:6. Any time there is a contradiction in Scripture, that means that the original assumed translation of one of the verses is incorrect and must be revised. Those IN Christ can, and do, lose their appointment in the Kingdom.

Also, the 'Many' who say 'Lord, Lord' are told that they are being turned away for being "workers of iniquity." That means that they lived in sin and worked that lifestyle into the rest of the community by their example.

No honest Christian can deny these passages and points to the contrary of your OP.

It is what it is. Accept it or resume your Truth-less trajectory.

Anyone can sight only that part of the scriptures that would appear to be conclusive but are not. Even Satan did.

But it is only the few who will reconcile them all and know the truth.

 

[Episkopos]

According to Romans 8:1 “ There is now NO CONDEMNATION for those “ IN” Christ Jesus....”

Yes, the “True Saints” are IN Christ Jesus and they “ have passed from Death unto Life”
OSAS adherents know that they can never lose their Salvation......The opposing Crowd, the NON OSAS adherents , believe that one can Absolutely lose their Salvation....Are they REALLY saying , “ I can lose my Salvation,therefore I must not be “ In Christ?”

Logic dictates that if one can lose their Salvation they INEVITABLY would Have to “ Come under Condemnation” as a part of that.....

Any and All that come under Condemnation are not “ In Christ” and never were, simply by definition.....

The Non OSAS people have concocted “ Another Jesus” who NEVER Promised Eternal Life To Anybody —— this flies in the very face of Romans 8:1.....

If you preach a message of possible Condemnation for yourself and others, as the Non OSAS “ believers” Do , Maybe it's because you are Confused— “Confused” because you think that you are “ In Christ “, but you really are not ......You are not capable of hearing and understanding Anything that might even “ Smell” Of Grace—- The Pure Grace That Saved everybody that was ever Saved, and you Reject it!

Romans 8:1 is the Epitome Of God’s Grace.....there are no Conditions attached to it other than being “ In Christ” .....If you just can’t fathom the Grace inherent in this Verse you might want to make sure that YOU are In Christ—— the Christ that PROMISES the Eternal Security Of The Believer....NOT the “ Christ” that your Unbelief has conjured up.....

you forgot...."who walk according to the Spirit." When we enter INTO Christ we walk in His life and power...over sin. In Him is no sin. Those who are IN Him do not sin. It stands to reason that the one who has put away sin has no reason to be condemned.

If we overcome sin by the Spirit then we are proving our walk is IN Christ. If we walk according to the flesh and continue to sin we are proving that we have not yet entered INTO Christ...where there is no sin.

The real issue is the power we are living by...not a belief we have accepted.

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Rom 8:13

The law is a gauge to holiness. If we walk in God's presence and power...the law shows us that we are FULFILLING the law as Jesus did. When we overcome as Jesus overcame we have an eternal reward.

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Rom. 8:4

 

[friend of]

Romans 8 is a gloriously assuring passage for the believer.

yes Romans 8 is my favorite chapter in Romans

 

[Jim B]

yes Romans 8 is my favorite chapter in Romans

Even if the KJV translators added to Romans 8:1

KJV: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
NIV, NET (and many others): Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

I totally agree that Romans 8 is one of the great chapters if the Bible!

 

[ScottA]

you forgot...."who walk according to the Spirit." When we enter INTO Christ we walk in His life and power...over sin. In Him is no sin. Those who are IN Him do not sin. It stands to reason that the one who has put away sin has no reason to be condemned.

You make a good point to build upon (as did John).

That something that makes for no sin that occurs in a person at the point of salvation, is Christ. This biblical truth is one of great controversy--just as those things that have no cure become billion dollar industries. Such are the ways of men. Which is to say, man has not yet fully understood it, because we remain on our worldly trajectory, rather than that course of Christ.

Yet the answer and truth is as simple as this: Christ is the End, and the end of sin.

What then of would-be continued sin after salvation--after one no longer lives, but Christ lives in them? Surely we are all unbelievers, if we cannot even accept these things that were told us--and if we explain these truths away, that is exactly what we are. But the standard is to explain what is not understood with the idea that it is not even true. Shame on us!

However, if we even try to explain these truths in the vain of belief in what is written--it is there to behold. Which is, if we are in fact dead upon salvation, but walking dead--not just by His power, but that it is Christ and not us--this is that "carcass" of which He spoke. And those who eat flesh and prefer it, gather around calling it sin as long as the carcass remains.

The truth is--when it is no longer we who live, but Christ who lives in us--there remains none but Christ in the world, and those who are not saved. As it is written: "upon whom the ends of the ages have come." Which occurs, just as Paul wrote, "but each one in his own order." Which is true until the end of the age.

But who is that carcass, if not those who our accusers point the finger at? It is Christ...just as He said, just as it is written. So, then, is it Christ who goes on sinning? Heaven forbid! No, but He does take it all--even those of all times--upon Himself. For which there is a biblical foreshadowing, which Jesus did 40 days between the resurrection of His flesh (His body--His church--His Bride) and His ascension by the Spirit of God. During that time He carried the markings of sin in His body, as it is today with His body the church--those marks of sin remain--because it is He who must take them upon Himself.

Which, for those who can receive it, there remains one more mystery: that of those marks remaining in heaven. They do not--for it is not just we who are imperfect who are made perfect, but He who is perfect also.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Paul gives conditions for Salvation in many passages.

Here are just a handful; all preached to Christians IN Christ:

Hebrews 6:4-6
Hebrews 10:26-31
Galatians 5:19-21
Ephesians 5:3-7
1 Corinthians 6:7-11

Every verse is either taken out of context or the verse is not addressed to Believers

 

[BloodBought 1953]

you forgot...."who walk according to the Spirit." When we enter INTO Christ we walk in His life and power...over sin. In Him is no sin. Those who are IN Him do not sin. It stands to reason that the one who has put away sin has no reason to be condemned.

If we overcome sin by the Spirit then we are proving our walk is IN Christ. If we walk according to the flesh and continue to sin we are proving that we have not yet entered INTO Christ...where there is no sin.

The real issue is the power we are living by...not a belief we have accepted.

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Rom 8:13

The law is a gauge to holiness. If we walk in God's presence and power...the law shows us that we are FULFILLING the law as Jesus did. When we overcome as Jesus overcame we have an eternal reward.

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Rom. 8:4

I did not forget anything.....the phrase “who walk after the Spirit” was ADDED by the Translators ....it should NOT be in there....do some research....it’s not even debated....it was added by men that were scared to death by the Raw, Unadulterated Grace That was made clear in this verse....They did not TRUST in the Amazing Grace Of God and Wanted to make sure that future Bible Readers never even got the Chance to do it.....They Will Answer Someday for adding Conditions and a type of human performance for something that required NONE.

 

[Wrangler]

According to Romans 8:1 “ There is now NO CONDEMNATION for those “ IN” Christ Jesus....Logic dictates ... Any and All that come under Condemnation are not “ In Christ” and never were, simply by definition.....

This is not what logic dictates. All those in Noah's Ark will be saved. If someone left the ark when the float waters came, too bad for them; they are not saved because they were once in the ark, for in the moment of truth, they were out of the ark. This is what logic dictates.

The definition of "in" that you are asserting is that once in, no one can ever get out OR they were never in to begin with. This is most illogical. See Post Hoc.

 

[Episkopos]

I did not forget anything.....the phrase “who walk after the Spirit” was ADDED by the Translators ....it should NOT be in there....do some research....it’s not even debated....it was added by men that were scared to death by the Raw, Unadulterated Grace That was made clear in this verse....They did not TRUST in the Amazing Grace Of God and Wanted to make sure that future Bible Readers never even got the Chance to do it.....They Will Answer Someday for adding Conditions and a type of human performance for something that required NONE.

FYI walking by the power of the Spirit IS by grace not by human effort. Your scheme is based on carnal understanding...a human effort to justify itself...and one that makes God cover up sinful flesh. But God uncovers the flesh in order to put it to death...to save us.

And you are right in that not all early manuscripts have the "who walk by the Spirit." But if you read the rest of the chapter...and the rest of the NT...you will find that it indeed fits in. Besides being IN Christ is a spiritual condition...not a religious opinion.

We are to put to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit IF we are to live. That is the meat of the truth in Romans 8. Taking one verse out of context doesn't negate the conditions for eternal life as set forth in the Bible.

 

[Lambano]

FYI walking by the power of the Spirit IS by grace not by human effort.

Is this grace given to all believers, or only some?

 

[GEN2REV]

Every verse is either taken out of context or the verse is not addressed to Believers

Right.

Anything but the verses saying exactly what they say.

 

[Episkopos]

Is this grace given to all believers, or only some?

The full measure of grace is AVAILABLE to all believers....it costs us everything...but most will be satisfied with the free sample.

Initial grace (being born of the Spirit) is like the free samples they hand out in grocery stores. Can we live on the free samples? Or are we meant to try the product and then purchase the full content?

We rich Westerners are spoiled. We think we are entitled to eternal life in the same way that we think we are entitled to all the benefits and privileges we have in the natural world. But in the kingdom of God we are all the same....God doesn't respect certain persons over others. For God it is a "whomever" in regards to who will pay the price to enter into eternal life in the here and now. We are to count the cost. Look at the parables of the kingdom....we sell all to buy the field. Look at the eye salve in Rev. 3....we BUY it from the Lord. Look at the oil for the lamps of the wise (Matt. 25)... it must be purchased. The foolish ones think they are entitled to every benefit by merely having a lamp; but without the oil the lamp has no other function than as a decoration.

The modern gospel is against the very fair and righteous standard that God is describing to us in the biblical narrative. It follows the modern culture that makes us entitled consumers looking for a "deal." But God makes no deals with us. We are to "taste and see" that the Lord is good and lay down our lives in order to enter into Christ to have HIS victory over the flesh, the devil, and the world.

Peace

 

[Lambano]

The full measure of grace is AVAILABLE to all believers....it costs us everything...but most will be satisfied with the free sample.

Initial grace (being born of the Spirit) is like the free samples they hand out in grocery stores. Can we live on the free samples? Or are we meant to try the product and then purchase the full content?

We rich Westerners are spoiled. We think we are entitled to eternal life in the same way that we think we are entitled to all the benefits and privileges we have in the natural world. But in the kingdom of God we are all the same....God doesn't respect certain persons over others. For God it is a "whomever" in regards to who will pay the price to enter into eternal life in the here and now. We are to count the cost. Look at the parables of the kingdom....we sell all to buy the field. Look at the eye salve in Rev. 3....we BUY it from the Lord. Look at the oil for the lamps of the wise (Matt. 25)... it must be purchased. The foolish ones think they are entitled to every benefit by merely having a lamp; but without the oil the lamp has no other function than as a decoration.

The modern gospel is against the very fair and righteous standard that God is describing to us in the biblical narrative. It follows the modern culture that makes us entitled consumers looking for a "deal." But God makes no deals with us. We are to "taste and see" that the Lord is good and lay down our lives in order to enter into Christ to have HIS victory over the flesh, the devil, and the world.

Peace

Then some human effort or initiative is required to access this power?

I'm (probably) okay with that, but some of my more reformed brethren will not be.