Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John
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Here's the thing. You have to know sin cannot condemn you in order for sin not to be your master. You do not know that
I'm not you...yet you judge me as if I was you. I'm not the unbeliever here. What I'm saying is what the gospel proclaims...and I have lived it...and testify of it. Resurrection life is not only possible...it is the high calling in Christ. And this calling is so far above what is taught in the religious institutions...that people no longer believe that with Christ ALL things are possible.
Are you honest?
Then admit you don't believe that with Christ ALL things are possible.
Admit that and we can move on.
That tells me so much. I state I have no righteousness of obeying the law and you respond with the above.
Well Paul continually stated believers have no righteousness of obeying the law, so you would have to write your comment concerning him also wouldn't you
Sorry, but Paul made it clear so people wouldn't come to your conclusion. The wages of sin is still death. What we are is FREE FROM SIN, not the penalty for sin, or to sin, but God doesn't see it and condemn you.
All you are showing here is your lack of understanding of Paul's core message. Your understanding is like catholics. Remove righteousness of obeying the law and you have a licence to sin
amigo de christo
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Yes indeed my friend . He wants our LIPS speaking truth and that TRUTH upon our hearts .
A lip only is lost as i once was . But one who lips lies is lost as well .
He wants lips to speak truth from hearts that live and love truth .
E walks in the Spirit like I do. Not the letter of the old laws, like keeping one day a week holy, rather than the Spirit of the Sabbath that is Jesus abiding in us 24/7/365
cc: @Episkopos
You are exactly what you accuse me of. You are deflecting. Your questions are those of an unbeliever. And you have ignored my honesty question to you...
Are you honest? Really?
Then admit you don't believe that with Christ ALL things are possible.
Admit that and we can move on.
You still have not defined "grace" and you are still flinging ridiculous untrue accusations. Stop it. At 62, you should act like an adult
Caught red-handed....only honest to the point of unbelief...after that...deflection.
amigo de christo
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His commandments are not grievious nor hard to a lamb . A lamb LOVES HIS TEACHINGS .
And a lamb hates his own contrary flesh . May that SINK IN REAL DEEP .
Every word of Christ is a honey to the taste of a lamb . May that sink in real deep .
And why is this the case . FOR a lamb has the SPIRIT and the SPIRIT is ITS GUIDE .
Those who try and find ways around the teachings of Christ , neither know nor love HIM .
FOR if they loved HIM they would OBEY HIM .
I challenge all on this site and in all the world and in all the churches
to try and seperate love from obediance . YA CANT DO IT ACCORDING TO GODS OWN WORDS , ACCORDING TO CHRISTS OWN WORDS .
IF YE LOVED ME YE WOULD KEEP MY SAYINGS . And HE who loves ME NOT , KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS .
Ever wonder why both paul and james used abraham as an example . AND NEITHER ONE CONTRADICTED THE OTHER .
FOR abraham TRULY DID BELIEVE GOD , HE HAD TRUE FAITH , and thus IF GOD SAID DO , ABRAHAM DID .
How about that for a saying . IF GOD SAID DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, ABRAHAM DID . exactly .
Paul's reference to the letter of the law was in regards to the Old Covenant, not the New. Don't you know that?
What is grace?
Grace, Faith in Jesus is your righteousness before God you have no righteousness of obeying the law, how's that?
Paul relentlessly stressed you can have no righteousness of obeying the law because of the ten commandments
You really need to stop grabbing a verse of scripture in isolation, you will not understand the context if you do:
Romans 3:31, that verse is part of a much larger section of verses. Reading a verse in isolation, without verses associated with it, can give a misleading understanding of the verse:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith inh]">[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,i]">[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith(righteousness of faith)? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. 20-31
In the above section, of which verse 31 is included, Paul states no one will declared righteous in God’s sight by works of the law/obeying the law. Believers have a righteousness apart from law. A believer’s righteousness is faith in Christ. Boasting is excluded, because a person is not justified/righteous by law but by faith(in Christ) apart from the law.
Now what would many of Paul’s readers have thought when reading the above? The same as many on this website it seems would think. ‘Well if we have righteousness apart from the law, we can act however we like, and ignore the good and Holy laws of God.’ And so, Paul, knowing many would come to that conclusion, finished the chapter with verse 31
Paul’s view was the complete opposite of what many believe. To him, if you live by a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law, you will not nullify, or make void the law, but rather you will uphold it, or establish it.
So to accept Paul’s message concerning this subject, two questions need to be asked
1) Why, if a believer has no righteousness of obeying the law is this not a licence to sin?
2) Why, if you live under a righteousness of faith in Christ, rather than one of obeying the law, will this result in you upholding, or establishing the law?
Jim B
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Hasn't everyone noticed that savedbygrace1 is nothing but confrontational? He keeps threatening to leave. I hope he does so soon so that we can continue to have interesting, reasonable discussions without him.
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