1st problem with O.S.A.S.

[mailmandan]

No.

Yes.

Nobody can choose to believe until they are called to by God.

"until" being the key word there. I already stated that we choose to believe ONLY after we are drawn and enabled. (John 6:44,65)

Nobody chooses Jesus, Jesus chooses us.

So we don't choose to believe and Jesus fatalistically determines who will and won't believe? Did you read what Jesus said in context?

Jesus said that nobody can cast out demons that is not a believer. Therefore Matthew 7:23 is speaking of believers that were living in sin. (workers of iniquity)

Jesus NEVER knew these many people which means they were NEVER saved. Period. There are false prophets who prophecy in the name of Jesus and even make false prophecies. In Matthew 10:1, we also see that Jesus gave His 12 disciples power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. This would include Judas Iscariot, yet Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as an unclean devil who would betray Him! (John 6:71; 13:10-11). Apparently, Judas believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12).

I once knew a Mormon woman who claimed to cast a demon out of a teenage boy and said the demon started to attack her, but then in a very eerie voice said, "you are a child of God!" and then departed. She was very boastful about how that demon knew not to mess with her because she was a child of God! You can always trust a demon to tell you the truth, NOT! Demons can easily put on a show to make you think that you casted them out. This experience caused her to be even more convinced that she was secure in her false religion, which was obviously the plan of the demon. I've also watched false exorcisms on TBN by false prophets.

All Biblical.

Mostly eisegesis on your part.

Your entire view on Salvation is twisted and all out of order.

Just the opposite.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Dan, are you a fellow calvinist?

 

[GEN2REV]

Dan, are you a fellow calvinist?

JMdan is a fellow everything.

He is:
OSAS
Pre-Mil
No gift of Faith
Trinity
Sunday Sabbath
No 10 Commandments

Everything that goes directly against God's Word, JMdan supports; along with all his cronies that are on every single Christian Forum to push the Mainstream Churchian False Doctrine Agenda.

The god they preach, even when called jesus, is a totally different God than the God of the Bible.

 

[mailmandan]

JMdan is a fellow everything.

He is:
OSAS
Pre-Mil
No gift of Faith
Trinity
Sunday Sabbath
No 10 Commandments

Everything that goes directly against God's Word, JMdan supports; along with all his cronies that are on every single Christian Forum to push the Mainstream Churchian False Doctrine Agenda.

The god they preach, even when called Jesus, is a totally different God than the God of the Bible.

Straw man arguments and bearing false witness seems to be your trademark.

 

[Taken]

1st problem with O.S.A.S.
OP ^

You’re not saved!

Most anti-Christ post to date!

Col 2:
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Every man Who Bodily Dies Believing Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God, IS SAVED (ONCE and FOREVER) on the DAY OF HIS BODILY DEATH!

Some men DO NOT TRUST the Word of God.
Some men ARE OF THE WORLD.
Some men Believe, Teach, Preach Gods POWER to SAVE a mans SOUL; QUICKEN a mans SPIRIT; IS LIMITED to ONLY Physically DEAD BODIES.


Gods POWER IS NOT LIMITED to only WHAT human men can SEE!

Salvation IS Gods GIFT TO GIVE.
Gods GIFT of Salvation IS ONLY GIVEN ONCE.
Gods GIFT of Salvation IS ONLY GIVEN Heartful BELIEVERS.
Gods GIFT of Salvation IS ONLY GIVEN AFTER a BODILY DEATH.
Gods GIFT of Salvation IS An ALWAYS and FOREVER GIFT.

Every man WHO WHILE alive in his sinful flesh body, heartfully confesses he BELIEVES, Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.......
Has JUST confessed his Heartful Belief;
IN Lord Jesus, IN God, IN Christ Almighty!
IN Son, IN Father, IN Holy Spirit!
And HAS Freely and Willfully Given His FLESH BODY unto DEATH,
BODILY CRUCIFIED DEAD, WITH CHRIST JESUS.

One Heartful Confession of Belief in the Lord God Almighty.
One Willfully Given Flesh Body unto Death.
One Forgiveness for HAVING “HAD” disbelief.
One Receipt of Gods Gift of Salvation.
One Promise of God To FOREVER BE With THAT man.

YES. GOD IS FAITHFUL.
ONCE a man IS SAVED, IT IS FOR ALWAYS and EVER.

Men who teach and preach otherwise, teach and preach A LIE.

Teaching and Preaching AGAINST the Word of God,
IS KILLING the Word of God.

Killing the Word of God, WAS Lucifers Downfall from holy to demonic, and earned him a new name, Satan, a new title, father of Lies, a new estate, Earth and the Pit of Hell, a new description, Anti-Christ and Murderer.

LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU!

Holy, Holy, Holy, IS, Glory, Glory, Glory TO,
Our Faithful and True Great Lord God Almighty,

Taken

 

[Taken]

JMdan is a fellow everything.

He is:
OSAS
Pre-Mil
No gift of Faith
Trinity
Sunday Sabbath
No 10 Commandments

Everything that goes directly against God's Word, JMdan supports; along with all his cronies that are on every single Christian Forum to push the Mainstream Churchian False Doctrine Agenda.

The god they preach, even when called jesus, is a totally different God than the God of the Bible.

Shame on you.

 

[Taken]

JMdan's version of Ephesians 2:8:
Hey look, guys! GotQuestions got this one right!
Where does faith come from? | GotQuestions.org

JMdan and friends claim that WE choose Jesus. That WE choose to believe (faith).

Jesus says otherwise.
John 15:16

Your claims are so hell bent one sided.

* men CHOOSE to HEAR the Word of God.
(In Jesus’ Day, it was Announced WHERE Jesus would be Preaching, and men CHOSE to go and HEAR!)
* men WHO ARE HEARING, are gifted with MEASURES of God’s GIFT OF FAITH.
* men WHO ARE HEARING, are choosing to BELIEVE what they HEAR, or NOT!
(Did you miss the Scriptural Lesson, MANY who went to HEAR Jesus, CHOSE TO NOT BELIEVE, and walked away, NOT BELIEVING, NOT interested in FOLLOWING Him and HEARING MORE!)
* men WHO ARE choosing to BELIEVE and continue by FOLLOWING, HEARING more.
(Who dragged one person against their will, TO HEAR, TO WALK AWAY, TO CONTINUE HEARING, TO CONTINUE FOLLOWiNG? Nada!)
* You preaching men DO NOT CHOOSE, is utterly FALSE!


* You MIX FACTS.
Belief, is what a man CAN CHOOSE.
UNbelief, is what a man CAN CHOOSE.

* Men DO choose to Hear.
* Men DO choose to NOT Hear.
* Men DO choose to Believe.
* Men DO choose to NOT Believe.

* You MIX FACTS.
* FAITH IS a GIFT from God.
* Gods GIFT of FAITH is GIVEN a man, WHO IS HEARING.
* HEARING...does NOT MEAN BELIEVING!
* BELIEVING...is the man’s CHOICE!

* When Jesus was PREACHING...in the fields, in the streets, in the Temple.....AND the Pharisees showed up in their stately garb, to HEAR JESUS......
* Were THEY Gifted with FAITH ‘for Hearing’? YES!
DID THEY “CHOOSE” to BELIEVE JESUS? NO!

It is NOT some secret phenomenon, (as YOU propose)...
That an AGREEMENT between TWO parties ONLY REQUIRES “one” party to AGREE!

Not a SECRET...TWO parties MUST AGREE TO THE SAME THING, BEFORE AN AGREEMENT IS ESTABLISHED!

WHEN The Lord and A man EACH CHOOSE the OTHER, THEY ARE THE TWO PARTIES ESTABLISHING AN AGREEMENT!

* YOUR preaching, an agreement IS ESTABLISH by only ONE Party (the Lord) choosing the man......(without the man choosing the Lord)...
IS FALSE ON IT”S FACE!

 

[Taken]

FACT: Men have NOT chosen Jesus.
GOOD NEWS: Jesus HAS chosen men.


John 15:
[16] Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

GET TO GETTING MEN...Jesus has Chosen you to SERVE Him.
GET TO GETTING MEN...ARE YOU going to Choose to SERVE Him?

ARE YOU GOING TO RECIPROCATE AND CHOOSE JESUS AS HE HAS CHOSEN YOU?

IF SO.....WHEN?
Oh...Lookie here. Here is WHEN...

Josh 24:
[15a] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;


Oh...Lookie here. Here is WHAT is your choices.

Josh 24:
[15 b] whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
[15 c] or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell:
[15 d] but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Oh...Lookie here. They who ARE Beloved brethren ARE THEY, who have CHOSEN God...

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.


Glory to God, who has chosen men.
Gods Glory upon a brotherhood of men, who have chosen God,

Taken

 

[Taken]

FACT: Men have NOT chosen Jesus.
GOOD NEWS: Jesus HAS chosen men.


John 15:
[16] Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

GET TO GETTING MEN...Jesus has Chosen you to SERVE Him.
GET TO GETTING MEN...ARE YOU going to Choose to SERVE Him?

ARE YOU GOING TO RECIPROCATE AND CHOOSE JESUS AS HE HAS CHOSEN YOU?

IF SO.....WHEN?
Oh...Lookie here. Here is WHEN...

Josh 24:
[15a] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;


Oh...Lookie here. Here is WHAT is your choices.

Josh 24:
[15 b] whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
[15 c] or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell:
[15 d] but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Oh...Lookie here. A man who has CHOSEN God...

1 Thes 1
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

GEN2REV
“Nobody chooses Jesus, Jesus chooses us.”

Men choose their god.
Men who choose the Lord God Almighty, are Beloved by the Lord God Almighty, and ARE Brethren believing in the SAME Lord God Almighty.

 

[GEN2REV]

Shame on you.

No.

No shame rests upon me in the least.

Shame be on YOU for supporting False Prophets.

 

[GEN2REV]

Your claims are so hell bent one sided.

So is God's Sacred Word.

* men CHOOSE to HEAR the Word of God.

Nope. That's just not the case.

Hearing must be mixed with the gift of Faith.
Hebrews 4:2
Ephesians 2:8
Only those who are Jesus' sheep are capable of hearing. Nobody chooses to be a sheep of God. Jesus chooses us.
"You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you ..."
John 15:16

Nobody who has not been drawn to Jesus John 6:44, and given faith by God Ephesians 2:8, can come to Jesus - nor hear anything that He has to say. It is outside their ability as human beings. The flesh body is part of this fallen world. It cannot think, say or do anything of the Spirit without God's intervening.

NOBODY decides one day to believe in Jesus and be a Christian EXCEPT false converts; EXCEPT those who come in to the sheep pen by another way. John 10:1

Taken, even if there were many of you here (which there are actually), you cannot back up, support, fight for, preach for all the False Doctrine, that you and your agenda are here to perpetuate, enough to silence the Truth of the Lord God Almighty.

It's just not in your power; your power as a group even.

You have no ability to overthrow God's Word. Men 100x more powerful than you or I have fought and struggled to destroy it for millennia and failed.

There's absolutely nothing you can do. And all of your countless long-winded posts to the contrary absolutely pale in comparison to just ONE post filled with the Truth of God's Word.

You are helpless and your efforts are futile.

 

[theefaith]

Does Ephesians 2:8 say faith plus something else? Plus works? NO! It's faith "apart from additions or modifications" so it's faith (rightly undrrstood) in Christ alone.

that faith includes all that God has revealed

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

 

[theefaith]

EXACTLY!

• Immaculate Conception
• Purgatory
• Petrine Succession
• Queen of Heaven
• Priest vs Leity

Just a partial list of things never taught by God but added by Men in the “diy religion” of the RCC.
Reading the Bible is the only way to learn what GOD said rather than what people say.

Can you be saved without a priest?

 

[mailmandan]

that faith includes all that God has revealed

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

I can clearly see that you are thoroughly indoctrinated into Roman Catholicism and are unreachable. All I can do is continue to pray that the Lord will one day open your eyes to the truth and the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God will shine on you. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

 

[theefaith]

I can clearly see that you are thoroughly indoctrinated into Roman Catholicism and are unreachable. All I can do is continue to pray that the Lord will one day open your eyes to the truth and the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God will shine on you. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

faith alone is not biblical!

 

[mailmandan]

faith alone is not biblical!

Salvation through faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE is Biblical. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..).

 

[theefaith]

Salvation through faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE is Biblical. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..).

even Christ alone ain’t biblical

Christ alone?

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Not Christ alone must also believe on the Father who sent Christ!

 

[Taken]

No.

No shame rests upon me in the least.

Shame be on YOU for supporting False Prophets.

Don’t again shame yourself with another false testimony.
Quote me naming all the False Prophets YOU claim I support...

 

[Taken]

So is God's Sacred Word.Nope. That's just not the case.

Hearing must be mixed with the gift of Faith.
Hebrews 4:2
Ephesians 2:8
Only those who are Jesus' sheep are capable of hearing. Nobody chooses to be a sheep of God. Jesus chooses us.
"You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you ..."
John 15:1

You still don’t get it. All will HEAR. ALL do not “CHOOSE” to BELIEVE what they Hear.
Those WHO BELIEVE what they HEAR receive FAITH.


Rom 10:
[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
[18] But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


Heb 4:
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

"You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you ..."

Agree with you THAT:
YOU HAVE NOT CHOSEN JESUS.

Jesus CHOSE me, BEFORE I CHOSE JESUS.
Unlike YOU, I have CHOSEN Jesus.
Unlike YOU, I have CHOSEN to Serve Jesus.
Unlike YOU, I have CHOSEN to BELIEVE in Jesus.
Unlike YOU, I have entered into rest with Jesus.


Heb 4:
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

 

[GEN2REV]

You still don’t get it. All will HEAR. ALL do not “CHOOSE” to BELIEVE what they Hear.
Those WHO BELIEVE what they HEAR receive FAITH.


Rom 10:
[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
[18] But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


Heb 4:
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.




Agree with you THAT:
YOU HAVE NOT CHOSEN JESUS.

Jesus CHOSE me, BEFORE I CHOSE JESUS.
Unlike YOU, I have CHOSEN Jesus.
Unlike YOU, I have CHOSEN to Serve Jesus.
Unlike YOU, I have CHOSEN to BELIEVE in Jesus.
Unlike YOU, I have entered into rest with Jesus.


Heb 4:
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

False.

You can re-post it 20 different ways.

It is still FALSE.