Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

[mailmandan]

well can you find it in the scripture where it is possible for God to lie??? what you are doing is childish.. that is indicative of a child who has been backed into a corner by their own lies...

I never said that God lied so your straw man argument is moot. Your trolling is childish and you bear false witness.

 

[mailmandan]

Troll...

So it's not just me. He needs to find a better hobby.

 

[True Faith]

Troll.

2Co 13:1, This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Can you not find it in scripture where it says that it is possible for God to lie???... I mean the Bible is the word of God.. and the Bible gives you all your answers... so you should be able to show me, in the Bible where it says that it is possible for God to lie...

 

[heartwashed]

@True Faith, consider yourself to now be on Ignore.

 

[True Faith]

I never said that God lied so your straw man argument is moot. Your trolling is childish and you bear false witness.

do you believe that Jesus is God Himself??? if so then you believe that God Himself lied when he said that he did not come down to do his own will.... Remember, Jesus is God Himself... God the Son.... you cannot remover Jesus from Being God and you cannot say God the Father because I said "God Himself"... Pay attention to the question... show me where God is capable of telling a lie...

 

[True Faith]

@True Faith, consider yourself to now be on Ignore.

Hiding from the truth....

 

[mailmandan]

do you believe that Jesus is God Himself??? if so then you believe that God Himself lied when he said that he did not come down to do his own will.... Remember, Jesus is God Himself... God the Son.... you cannot remover Jesus from Being God and you cannot say God the Father because I said "God Himself"... Pay attention to the question... show me where God is capable of telling a lie...

Goodbye TROLL.

 

[True Faith]

Goodbye TROLL.

that makes two who cannot show where it is possible for God to tell a lie...

 

[heartwashed]

that makes two who cannot show where it is possible for God to tell a lie...

Why would we want to show such a thing?

Troll.

 

[True Faith]

I am wondering if anyone actually read the OP... I keep getting response of them explaining how Jesus is God, but if they read the OP they would have know I was addressing that very point... they even quote John 1:1,14...

I want someone to actually be able to show me in scripture where it says that it is possible for God to lie...

I mean, if you believe Jesus to be God Himself, because scripture tells you this, then you should be able to find a piece of scripture that tells you that it is possible for God to lie,,,

 

[True Faith]

Why would we want to show such a thing?

Troll.

Well you call me a troll... and you say that I am lying... show me, with scripture, where it says that it is possible for God to lie.... you can't because it is no where in scripture...

 

[True Faith]

Why would we want to show such a thing?

Troll.

I mean seriously.. if I am telling a lie and you can show me, with scripture that it is possible for God to tell a lie.. then you would have shown that piece of scripture and ended the whole thing...

instead you choose to be childish and resort to name calling... If there is scripture in there that says that it is possible for God to lie, by all means post it...

Paul says that it is impossible for God to lie... where is your scripture that contradicts the following???

Hebrews 6:18 "That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:"

 

[APAK]

If anyone does not believe that Jesus is the great I AM (of Exodus 3:14), they will die in their sins (John 8:24)...

HW, there is so much wrong with your statement I do not know where to start. Do I show you the Hebrew for the words YHWH spoke to Moses concerning his personal description or 'name' or do I go the the common Greek and show you that it does not match the Hebrew meaning into English. 'I am' or 'I am he' (note: there is no 'he' in the Greek) is a common expression used by any commoner and yet you apply it solely to Jesus Christ with the deliberate intent to force it to mean the expression of YHWH. I hope you really study this view and this belief more closely.

 

[True Faith]

HW, there is so much wrong with your statement I do not know where to start. Do I show you the Hebrew for the words YHWH spoke to Moses concerning his personal description or 'name' or do I go the the common Greek and show you that it does not match the Hebrew meaning into English. 'I am' or 'I am he' (note: there is no 'he' in the Greek) is a common expression used by any commoner and yet you apply it solely to Jesus Christ with the deliberate intent to force it to mean the expression of YHWH. I hope you really study this view and this belief more closely.

Have you noticed that they will give you every piece of scripture that they believe that the bible says that Jesus is God Himself, but not one piece of scripture that says that it is possible for God to lie...

 

[APAK]

Is Jesus God?

Yes, Jesus is God. But the answer needs to be expounded upon. When we say that Jesus is God we’re using the term “God” in reference to the divine nature. But we have to be careful because we don’t want to say Jesus is God and fail to understand that God is a Trinity. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity is that God exists as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So, we have to be careful when we ask if Jesus is God because we have to be clear in the answer. If God is a Trinity and we say Jesus is God, then we are saying that Jesus is a Trinity. But that is not true. So in one sense, the term “God” can be used to designate the totality of God as a Trinity, and in another sense, it deals with the divine nature.

The correct answer is that Jesus is both divine and human. In other words, he is both God and man. God has a divine nature, and Jesus possesses the divine nature as well as human nature. This dual nature characteristic is called the hypostatic union.

We know that Jesus is God in the flesh because the Bible says many things declaring this. For example,

1. John 1:1, “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2. John 1:14, “and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”
3. John 8:24, “unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”
4. John 8:58, “before Abraham was, I am.”
   1. Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
5. Col. 2:9, “for in Him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form.”
6. Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son he [The Father] says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.'”

After Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, Thomas, one of the disciples, doubted that he had risen. Jesus appears to him, and Thomas responds by saying to Jesus “my Lord and my God,” (John 20:28). Jesus makes no correction to Thomas about this. Titus 2:13 tells us to wait for the coming of “our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” In John 5:18 it says that Jesus “was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.”

It is clear from the Scriptures that Jesus is considered to be God in flesh; that is, he is considered to be divine. The reason is that without Jesus being both God and man, he could not make a sacrifice of sufficient value to please God the Father. If he were not a man, he would not be able to die for the sins of mankind.

Is Jesus God?

Jesus is the Son of God because of the incarnation. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The word that’s translated “only begotten” is the Greek word “monotones."

3439 monogenḗs (from 3411 /misthōtós, “one-and-only” and 1085 /génos, “offspring, stock”) – properly, one-and-only; “one of a kind” – literally, “one (monos) of a class, genos” (the only of its kind).

You do know that the trinity doctrine specifically says that Jesus was of human nature and only a divine person as he somewhere somehow discarded his divine nature along the way and Jesus was never a human person with a human will. He was only a divine person with a divine will. Now I call that pure nonsense. What say ye?

So you are ok with that Jesus was not a human person with his own human will?

 

[True Faith]

HW, there is so much wrong with your statement I do not know where to start. Do I show you the Hebrew for the words YHWH spoke to Moses concerning his personal description or 'name' or do I go the the common Greek and show you that it does not match the Hebrew meaning into English. 'I am' or 'I am he' (note: there is no 'he' in the Greek) is a common expression used by any commoner and yet you apply it solely to Jesus Christ with the deliberate intent to force it to mean the expression of YHWH. I hope you really study this view and this belief more closely.

one more thing.. 99% of them will never actually study the bible nor does any of them want to pay attention to the Greek and Hebrew.. too much work for them..

 

[True Faith]

When you make Him a liar by disbelieving Him.

and how am I making him out to be a liar?? do tell... wait a minute... so by not believing in him makes hi out to be a liar but your believing that Jesus is God himself is not calling making him a liar?

 

[BeyondET]

The high priest tore his clothes and excused Jesus of blasphemy, he didn't think Jesus was equal to God thus God either. People still tearing their clothes over it.

Philippines 2
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

 

[True Faith]

The high priest tore his clothes and excused Jesus of blasphemy, he didn't think Jesus was equal to God thus God either. People still tearing their clothes over it.

Philippines 2
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

I said to show me, with scripture and chapter and verse, where it is possible for God to lie...

 

[BeyondET]

I said to show me, with scripture and chapter and verse, where it is possible for God to lie...

Your saying somethings are not possible with God.

God cannot be Jesus that is impossible for you to believe