. . . That Jesus Christ is LORD . . .

[Jack]

The Holy Bible does not tell us anywhere that Jesus is God.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.

 

[farouk]

Philippians 2 makes it clear that the Lord Jesus is equal with God....

 

[face2face]

Philippians 2 makes it clear that the Lord Jesus is equal with God....

This is a foolish comment...it shows you are only able to see the Word of God through a single lens.

 

[face2face]

When you deny that Jesus is God, you actually deny that Jesus is the Christ. Only the God-Man Jesus of Nazareth could take away our sins. And because He finished the work of redemption, God the Father has declared Him to be BOTH Lord and Christ.

Enoch
That reply is so loaded with assumptions, even you should be laughing at it!

 

[face2face]

You had asked, What would the Father reward that Son?

Then you supplied an hypothetical answer, "If you felt God wasn't able to do this in a Son . . ."

And I'm answering, that's neither here nor there, whatever you or I or someone elst felt that God was or wasn't able to do any particular thing, that has no bearing on whether or not God actually could or might or has done such a thing. And has no bearing on whether or not such is in fact revealed in the Word. As they say . . . facts don't care about feelings.

Much love!

Okay let's go back to absolute basics.

What did the Father reward the Son with that wasn't already his prior to his earthly existence?

To which I would reply "how can it be a reward?"

 

[farouk]

This is a foolish comment...it shows you are only able to see the Word of God through a single lens.

"O wondrous hour, when Jesus, Thou,
Co-equal with the eternal God,
Beneath our sin didst deign to bow,
And in our stead didst bear the rod." (John Bacchus Dykes)

 

[face2face]

"O wondrous hour, when Jesus, Thou,
Co-equal with the eternal God,
Beneath our sin didst deign to bow,
And in our stead didst bear the rod." (John Bacchus Dykes)

Of the Glorified Christ, God rewarded His Son with the fullness of Deity (That's Yahweh Glory if you didn't know) - again, a mute point if Jesus was previously God.
In terms of Co-equal you have 1 Corinthians 15:27 to contend with.
F2F

 

[farouk]

Of the Glorified Christ, God rewarded His Son with the fullness of Deity (That's Yahweh Glory if you didn't know) - again, a mute point if Jesus was previously God.
In terms of Co-equal you have 1 Corinthians 15:27 to contend with.
F2F

Hebrews 1: "Unto the Son He saith: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever". John 1: "The same was in the beginning with God".

 

[face2face]

Hebrews 1: "Unto the Son He saith: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever". John 1: "The same was in the beginning with God".

True, but not as you intend it ;)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.

And it is a mystery how that is the case.

This scripture does not say Jesus is God.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

The Holy Bible does not tell us anywhere that Jesus is God.

Don’t be so zealous over such an ambiguous issue.

Putting sin to death is more important.

“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Hebrews 12:1-2)

I do not understand how you can deny Jesus IS GOD, and then talk about sinless perfection.

We are forgiven our sins bc he took them to the cross on our behalf; MAN CAN NOT REMOVE SIN. We can forgive one another the sins of hurt, grief, stumbling ECT, but it takes God to remove them.
We then can put on HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS to have a relationship with Almighty God.......in whatever form he chooses.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I do not understand how you can deny Jesus IS GOD

I do not understand how YOU assert that Jesus is God without a plain declaration from scripture.

MAN CAN NOT REMOVE SIN

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

 

[farouk]

True, but not as you intend it ;)

I sense that the discussion is going round and round, avoiding the plain sense of Scripture.

 

[marks]

And it is a mystery how that is the case.

Well, we don't know how, but there's no mystery Who. Our Creator God created all that was created. Plain and simple.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I sense that the discussion is going round and round, avoiding the plain sense of Scripture.

I think that will be the fate of all discussions trying to deny the deity of Christ, or our Triune God. It sure seems to be playing out across the board. I've seen several discussion lines come to that end point recently. Not everyone is willing to follow a discussion point to it's conclusion, but happily I've come across a few recently.

And that's where it's come to, that there will be a particulare passage that speaks a certain way, and I assert that it simply means the very thing it says, and the other will apply it differently. For instance, "let us make man", not to derail here, just to say, either it does or does not speak of those who create, and over this we disagree. And from that, the doctrine springs out in two different directions.

Or here, the simplicity is, God, through Paul, is identifying Jesus as the One of Whom Isaiah spoke.

Much love!

 

[farouk]

I think that will be the fate of all discussions trying to deny the deity of Christ, or our Triune God. It sure seems to be playing out across the board. I've seen several discussion lines come to that end point recently. Not everyone is willing to follow a discussion point to it's conclusion, but happily I've come across a few recently.

And that's where it's come to, that there will be a particulare passage that speaks a certain way, and I assert that it simply means the very thing it says, and the other will apply it differently. For instance, "let us make man", not to derail here, just to say, either it does or does not speak of those who create, and over this we disagree. And from that, the doctrine springs out in two different directions.

Or here, the simplicity is, God, through Paul, is identifying Jesus as the One of Whom Isaiah spoke.

Much love!

God in Three Persons is indeed deeply present in Scripture.

 

[marks]

When you deny that Jesus is God, you actually deny that Jesus is the Christ. Only the God-Man Jesus of Nazareth could take away our sins. And because He finished the work of redemption, God the Father has declared Him to be BOTH Lord and Christ.

Yes, YHWH said that He alone is our savior, so if you deny that Jesus is YHWH, then you de facto deny that Jesus is our savior. That YHWH alone is God and Savior, and everyone will swear to Him - not another - to Him, that in YHWH I have righteousness. In Who? In Christ, our savior. We will confess the Lord Jesus Christ.

Much love!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if you deny that Jesus is YHWH, then you de facto deny that Jesus is our savior.

There is no scriptural standing for such an extreme position that causes division among believers in Christ Jesus.

No scriptural standing whatsoever.

 

[marks]

There is no scriptural standing for such an extreme position that causes division among believers in Christ Jesus.

No scriptural standing whatsoever.

This shouldn't cause division, a true learning of God will unify. It's not an extreme position. This thread is about just one of many examples in the Bible where we see this this same thing, that Jesus and YHWH are one and the same.

Much love!

 

[farouk]

This shouldn't cause division, a true learning of God will unify. It's not an extreme position. This thread is about just one of many examples in the Bible where we see this this same thing, that Jesus and YHWH are one and the same.

Much love!

@marks I keep coming back to Philippians 2, about the Lord Jesus Who 'thought it not robbery to be equal with God'.