The Truth About Born Again Christians

[watsoncarl53]

Nice post.

I would like to point out that the OP basically speaks of sanctification. The big thing about when I sanctify myself now in the New Everlasting Marriage Covenant in Christ's Blood, it includes being fully repentent and dead to myself, yet being alive because I am filled with the Holy Spirit of Christ in me. Him who is from Heaven Coming into me is His part of the sanctification process, that makes us holy and sinless. Something never able to be prior to Christ's resurrection, glorification and Coming as the Holy Spirit, Christ in our flesh.
I will be with you always even unto the ends of the world... I shall never leave nor forsake you. A New Creature we are, One with Christ as dead to this world and filled with Christ from Heaven, Born from Above.
He is Come

Let's ask the author of the opening post. Mr. Episkopos do you agree with Mr. Phillip's assessment of your theory on born again Christians?

Those who are born of the Spirit are lead by the Spirit of God and cannot be deceived by those not born of the Spirit,

would know the answer to this question.

Multiply choice..Choose 1.

A. True they would know the answer to this question.

B. No they would not know the answer to this question.

One is correct and one is incorrect.

Please no theories or commentaries on this question.

Just pick A. or B.

Mr. Episkopos in some cases silence is considered an admission of guilt.

Let's ask the author of the opening post. Mr. Episkopos do you agree with Mr. Phillip's assessment of your theory on born again Christians?



Mr. Episkopos in some cases silence is considered an admission of guilt.

I do believe this is one of them.

 

[Episkopos]

Nice post.

I would like to point out that the OP basically speaks of sanctification. The big thing about when I sanctify myself now in the New Everlasting Marriage Covenant in Christ's Blood, it includes being fully repentent and dead to myself, yet being alive because I am filled with the Holy Spirit of Christ in me. Him who is from Heaven Coming into me is His part of the sanctification process, that makes us holy and sinless. Something never able to be prior to Christ's resurrection, glorification and Coming as the Holy Spirit, Christ in our flesh.
I will be with you always even unto the ends of the world... I shall never leave nor forsake you. A New Creature we are, One with Christ as dead to this world and filled with Christ from Heaven, Born from Above.
He is Come

Amen!

 

[watsoncarl53]

Born again can be understood on 2 levels.

The carnal level.

The spirit level.

How can anyone understand at any level unless they are, what they are trying to understand?

When someone tells they are a born again Christian.

I think to myself, is there any unborn again Christians?

Can any of you correct my thinking?

 

[Sabitarian]

Watsoncarl53,
When I meet someone and they tell me they are born again I immediately shy away from them, as most of these are wolves in sheeps clothing. The biggest problems I had in my 33 years of steel fabricating came from born again Christians. One of them even had a Christian radio station on his hold button. When push came to shove he did what was right for his business and not what was right. They are so cought up in thier own selves they leave no room for any one else. I guess that is part of why I do not call myself a Christian as I have had soooo many bad experiences with them. The Book tells us that you must be born again of water and the Spirit. I went through the water, but the Spirit I really do not know.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[Lively Stone]

Watsoncarl53,
When I meet someone and they tell me they are born again I immediately shy away from them, as most of these are wolves in sheeps clothing. The biggest problems I had in my 33 years of steel fabricating came from born again Christians. One of them even had a Christian radio station on his hold button. When push came to shove he did what was right for his business and not what was right. They are so cought up in thier own selves they leave no room for any one else. I guess that is part of why I do not call myself a Christian as I have had soooo many bad experiences with them. The Book tells us that you must be born again of water and the Spirit. I went through the water, but the Spirit I really do not know.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

When Jesus spoke about being born of water, He was referring to natural birth. If you are referring to a water baptism, no one is saved by being immersed in water. We are saved by our faith in Jesus Christ's sacrificial death, paying the price for our every sin, and resurrection, by the grace of God. that is when the Holy Spirit comes and makes His home inside of us.

If you ahve made a confession of faith in Jesus Christ, then the Holy Spirit has taken up residence in you and you would have experienced an unmistakeable regeneration of your mind and heart, taking on a whole new paradigm of thinking and seeing.


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[Episkopos]

Watsoncarl53,
When I meet someone and they tell me they are born again I immediately shy away from them, as most of these are wolves in sheeps clothing. The biggest problems I had in my 33 years of steel fabricating came from born again Christians. One of them even had a Christian radio station on his hold button. When push came to shove he did what was right for his business and not what was right. They are so cought up in thier own selves they leave no room for any one else. I guess that is part of why I do not call myself a Christian as I have had soooo many bad experiences with them. The Book tells us that you must be born again of water and the Spirit. I went through the water, but the Spirit I really do not know.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

This is due to the salfish nature of the pop gospel being preached. It is a salvation scheme for the sin nature to feel safe in rather than a death and new life in Christ.

 

[Sabitarian]

Lively Stone,
Christ was baptized by John in the water as a sign to us that we needed to be baptized by immersion in order to have a chance at salvation. I really do not believe that birth could be accepted as being born of water.
Episkopos,
The Papal traditions are what make Babaylon fall in Revelation, as the Catholics had already fallen. This born again thing to most is a license to commit sin, without any though of punishment by the Creator, for their sins are covered by the blood of Christ, however this mentality is the fall of Christanity. James tells us that we will be judged by our works, so how is it that the blood of Christ can cover perpetual sins? Just as first day worship is not acceptable to God, for that is the biggest complaing He had with Israel. When they apostacised the first thing to go was the Sabbath, which lead to many other problems for them. They would start buying and selling on the Sabbath and that lead to even more apostacy.
I truely believe that this feel good religion is the down fall of civilization as we know it. And if they would just read the book of Revelation with a though to understand it, it is obvious that you are not suppose to have a buble gum religion, as He chastizes those who He accepts. Not the feel good or bubblegum religioners. If you do not receive chastizement you are not a son of God.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[watsoncarl53]

Watsoncarl53,
When I meet someone and they tell me they are born again I immediately shy away from them, as most of these are wolves in sheeps clothing. The biggest problems I had in my 33 years of steel fabricating came from born again Christians. One of them even had a Christian radio station on his hold button. When push came to shove he did what was right for his business and not what was right. They are so cought up in thier own selves they leave no room for any one else. I guess that is part of why I do not call myself a Christian as I have had soooo many bad experiences with them. The Book tells us that you must be born again of water and the Spirit. I went through the water, but the Spirit I really do not know.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

Have you ever told anyone that you were "born again"?

Multiply choice..Choose 1.

A. Yes I have.

B. No I have not.

One is correct and one is incorrect.

Please no theories or commentaries on this question.

Just pick A. or B.

 

[Lively Stone]

Lively Stone,
Christ was baptized by John in the water as a sign to us that we needed to be baptized by immersion in order to have a chance at salvation. I really do not believe that birth could be accepted as being born of water.

Water baptism is reserved for only those who are believers already. It cannot save, nor is it a sign of a CHANCE at salvation!

When Jesus used the phrase, 'born of water', he was referring to naural birth. In His day, that is the way they spoke of childbirth.

 

[Phillip]

When Jesus spoke about being born of water, He was referring to natural birth. If you are referring to a water baptism, no one is saved by being immersed in water. We are saved by our faith in Jesus Christ's sacrificial death, paying the price for our every sin, and resurrection, by the grace of God. that is when the Holy Spirit comes and makes His home inside of us.

If you ahve made a confession of faith in Jesus Christ, then the Holy Spirit has taken up residence in you and you would have experienced an unmistakeable regeneration of your mind and heart, taking on a whole new paradigm of thinking and seeing.


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"Born of water" is "natural birth? I never heard that idea before. What a gem hehe. Being born of water is absolutely scriptural though. That is baptism, which is the answer of a conscious in good faith

Here's some examples though, of the scriptural meaning of being "born of water". It is water baptism of course. Not "natural birth" lol.


Being born of water is being born of God. Just as Jesus was born of God at His Baptism, showing His birthing forth as the "First Begotten from the dead". It is identified with our death and resurrection in Christ.

(Act 13:33) God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

(Mat 3:14) But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
(Mat 3:15) And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
(Mat 3:16) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
(Mat 3:17) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

(Heb 10:22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

(Eph 5:26) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

(Tit 3:5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

(Joh 13:8) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
(Joh 13:9) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
(Joh 13:10) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

(1Co 6:11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

(Act 8:36) And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
(Act 8:37) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
(Act 8:38) And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Being "Born from above" is water baptism and baptism of the Holy Spirit, both. Our sanctification to the Lord, and His santification of His Holy Spirit self into us! The Water and the Spirit, all one in the cleansing Blood of Christ;

(1Jn 5:8) For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.

 

[Lively Stone]

No, being born of water is natural, physical birth, if one bothers to study the language and customs of that day, and being born of the Spirit is being born again in Christ by faith through the grace of God. That is what Jesus was talking about to a confused Nicodemus.

John 3:4-8
[sup]4[/sup] “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”
[sup]5[/sup] Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. [sup]6[/sup] Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. [sup]7[/sup] So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’ [sup]8[/sup] The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

 

[Phillip]

No, being born of water is natural, physical birth, if one bothers to study the language and customs of that day, and being born of the Spirit is being born again in Christ by faith through the grace of God. That is what Jesus was talking about to a confused Nicodemus.

John 3:4-8
[sup]4[/sup] “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”
[sup]5[/sup] Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. [sup]6[/sup] Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. [sup]7[/sup] So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’ [sup]8[/sup] The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

Nicodemus was quite obviously in error trying to understand it with his carnal mind. Repeating that error does you no merit Lively. You've been shown the error of your teaching, it is not expedient to argue with truth. Read those scriptures I gave you and don't believe Nicodemus is my advice.

 

[Lively Stone]

Nicodemus was quite obviously in error trying to understand it with his carnal mind. Repeating that error does you no merit Lively. You've been shown the error of your teaching, it is not expedient to argue with truth. Read those scriptures I gave you and don't believe Nicodemus is my advice.

It seems many countless Christians are just as naive as old Nic. H2O doesn't save a person. The blood of Jesus does. Those scriptures do nothing for your case.


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[Phillip]

It seems many countless Christians are just as naive as old Nic. H2O doesn't save a person. The blood of Jesus does. Those scriptures do nothing for your case.


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Since you have obvious spite toward scripture that doesn't agree with your religion, we are done. May God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Lively Stone]

Since you have obvious spite toward scripture that doesn't agree with your religion, we are done. May God have mercy on your soul.

You judge errantly and prematurely. I haven't any religion part from Jesus Christ, and I completely love the word of God, my authority in all things. Water is not what cleanses us---it is an emblem representing earth. Jesus' shed blood is what cleanses us.

 

[watsoncarl53]

Both levels are necessary to fulfill the full plan of God (born from above). But even the first level will save you. God is merciful.

Now the full born again experience can only be maintained (at that level of intimacy with God) by forsaking all in order to retain the level of holiness required to cleave to God.

Really?

Mr. Episkopos

These are your words. Please explain to me where you got them. I do not believe this lines up with what Jesus said.
But when you explain it to me, It might be something other than I think it is.

 

[Episkopos]

Really?

Mr. Episkopos

These are your words. Please explain to me where you got them. I do not believe this lines up with what Jesus said.
But when you explain it to me, It might be something other than I think it is.

I could say I got the words from sports illustrated or from God Himself.....the reality is what you are able to hear and understand. What part of what I said do you find that goes against what Jesus said? Please show the scriptures that support that argument.

 

[watsoncarl53]

I could say I got the words from sports illustrated or from God Himself.....the reality is what you are able to hear and understand. What part of what I said do you find that goes against what Jesus said? Please show the scriptures that support that argument.

I see that for me to pin you down to the absolute truth I am going to have to wade through all the moves a person makes to stalemate their opponent because they know they have not the board in favor of them winning out right. I do not want to go through all that. Have mercy on me and just make your strongest moves. Is this your strongest move, Mr. Episkopos?

 

[Episkopos]

I see that for me to pin you down to the absolute truth I am going to have to wade through all the moves a person makes to stalemate their opponent because they know they have not the board in favor of them winning out right. I do not want to go through all that. Have mercy on me and just make your strongest moves. Is this your strongest move, Mr. Episkopos?

I didn't realize this was a chess game!

 

[watsoncarl53]

I didn't realize this was a chess game!

Even though I heard that you told someone that you did not own a tv. Do you watch christian programs on tv?