You were saying it meant that their punishment continued for an age, only. So my question was, does that mean the life of the righteous continues for an age, only?
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as they say.
Much love!
I'm starting to think that the YLT translation is the only one to read
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Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as they say.
Much love!
amigo de christo
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just make sure it aint the wescott and hort sauce . Sprinkle that on any food and its deadly .
I like the KJV a lot, but on inspection, YLT does look like it translates some of the more tricky bits more accurately.
Michiah-Imla
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Everyone is a Greek expert these days…
Everyone is a better translator than all of the expert translators these days…
Sheesh!
Everyone is a better translator than all of the expert translators these days…
Sheesh!
Wrangler
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Any translation that does not have James in the title is preferable to one that does.
In my experience, not one translation is the one that makes the word of God come alive for me for any given verse. I have experienced Hebrews 4:12 - the word coming alive for me - with the CEV, NLT, VOICE and ESV. And I have read the NRSV and CJB cover to cover for deeper cultural understanding.
The implication of this is that your starting point is NOT the word of God but doctrine that you somehow got in your head. Very sad and dangerous, IMO.
The more I study, the more I see Christians pervasively embrace IDOLATRY, including doctrines, translations (KJV-ism) and the Bible itself. We don't worship doctrines, translations or the Bible! We worship a living God.
Your sacred cow is obviously your doctrine. Truth is, legitimate translations slaughter your sacred cow. Honestly, I don't know how your take on ESV 'rises to the level of changing doctrine.' Rather, it's just another way of saying the same thing. For certain, I am on the other end of the reading spectrum from you, preferring thought translations for their readability. IMO, it is extremely silly to stand on a word for word translation from ancient languages with a different syntax and speech pattern than 21st century Americans speak today, even compared to the King's English of half a millennia ago. This is especially true given how so much of the Bible is figurative.
Without checking all the various translations, Scripture says something along the lines of those who the son freed are free indeed. It does not say we are freed by doctrines, translations or the Bible itself. Very much worth noting. 3 authors in 3 translations make the same point in 3 different ways. In any translation, it comes down to redemption is by God through his Anointed, Jesus.
The beginning of the Good News of Yeshua the Messiah, the Son of God:
Mark 1:1 CJB
Peter: Stand up and walk in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, the Anointed One ... We didn’t do this—God did! —the God of our ancestors has glorified Jesus, God’s servant.
Acts 3:6, 13 (VOICE)
So you will be saved, if you honestly say, “Jesus is Lord,” and if you believe with all your heart that God raised him from death.
Romans 10:9 (CEV)
It means the righteous will have life in that age while the unrighteous do not. We can glean and discern that the righteous will live forever, meaning, all of the ages to come as well as what comes AFTER the age of ages is finished.
My "starting" point is the word of God. The word of God says there is no such thing as a forever Hell. Mortal men, many years later, translated the word of God into English and flubbed (either accidentally or DELIBERATELY) the Greek word pertaing to a period of time (ages) into "eternity".
There are MANY verses that speak of ALL men being saved from a forever death. But, if you say that forever death or forever Hell is true, then the plethora of verses supporting universal salvation are ALL false.
Start with 1 Timothy 4:10.
amigo de christo
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Exactly . These folks are being and have been taken for a ride on a roller coaster of deception .Everyone is a Greek expert these days…
Everyone is a better translator than all of the expert translators these days…
Sheesh!
The early ones who actually translated the bible into english did so for the good of the people .
There ONLY agenda , GET THE WORD to the people . they suffered hardships and persecutions too and some death .
Todays men do as they did and still do for an agenda . And its not to get THE WORD to the people
but rather a way to change the Word from within to suit an agenda . And folks aint seeing this .
amigo de christo
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have you ever noticed that what they accuse the other side of , THEY are GUILTY OF IT .Everyone is a Greek expert these days…
Everyone is a better translator than all of the expert translators these days…
Sheesh!
They say oh those men who translated the early versions did so for an agenda , YET ITS THEY WHO CHANGE
the WORD for an agenda . NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN
amigo de christo
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Visualize this and ye shall know who is behind this .Everyone is a Greek expert these days…
Everyone is a better translator than all of the expert translators these days…
Sheesh!
HAS the KJV really said , NO NO they say , that was not a good version ,
we have the better greek now and wiser scholars , What it really says is ..........................
NAY , YE shall not die , for god does know that in the day ye eat of this new and better greek YOUR EYES SHALL BE OPENED to see
the truth more clearly . SOUND FAMILIAR ...........
Men with agendas have always went about to twist the word and omit parts .
How much more when they actually change the scriptures themselves to suit an agenda and make void
the original truth given us in english .
amigo de christo
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And soon the will cry for the devils rainbow version of a bible that includes all paths to GOD and embraces certain sins .Everyone is a Greek expert these days…
Everyone is a better translator than all of the expert translators these days…
Sheesh!
And the mass majority will just go with the flow .
They already go with the flow of these pastors who come in
and twist what the bible says . How much more will they welcome a newer version
wherein there is made no mention at all of certain sins . ITS getting worse all the time
and WORSE the people seem to love to have it so .
Well, if you're right and people are condemned to a forever Hell then 1 Timothy 4:10 is wrong, correct?
I guess this too is wrong.
Philippians 2:10-11 esv
so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 10:9 esv
because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Philippians 2:10-11 esv
so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 10:9 esv
because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
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