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Michiah-Imla

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Job had admitted his sinfulness. (Job 7:21; 13:26)

It does not matter what Job thought about his sinfulness, God said the following:

“And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” (Job 1:8)

So to it doesn’t matter what men like you think what is sinful, the Bible tells us what is sinful.

Men have a flawed idea of what sin is which is why they think their very existence is a sin.

I’ve asked two people who claim they see sin in people frequently which biblical laws are they seeing being violated and they have no response…

@Jim B @Adam ???
 
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It does not matter what Job thought about his sinfulness, God said the following:

“And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” (Job 1:8)

So to it doesn’t matter what men like you think what is sinful, the Bible tells us what is sinful.

Men have a flawed idea of what sin is which is why they think their very existence is a sin.

I’ve asked two people who claim they see sin in people frequently which biblical laws are they seeing being violated and they have no response…

@Jim B @Adam ???
Perfect and upright still does not mean that Job was sinless, 100% of the time. (Ecclesiates 7:20; Romans 3:23)
 

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Job pre dates Ecclesiastes/Romans:

“(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.” (Romans 5:13)
So now you are saying that Job sinned, but it was just not yet imputed? :rolleyes: Just admit that mankind (regardless of which dispensation they lived in) are not sinless, 100% of the time.
 

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So now you are saying that Job sinned, but it was just not yet imputed?

If God had this testimony about Job, who are you and I to suggest that he did sin?

“And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”” (Job 1:8)
 

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If God had this testimony about Job, who are you and I to suggest that he did sin?

“And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”” (Job 1:8)
As I already explained, Job had admitted his sinfulness. (Job 7:21; 13:26)

You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine. You do too much cherry picking.
 

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As I already explained, Job had admitted his sinfulness. (Job 7:21; 13:26)

Does Job override God’s judgement?

“And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” (Job 1:8)
 

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Does Job override God’s judgement?

“And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” (Job 1:8)
So according to you, ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) EXCEPT for Job?
 

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Please explain 1 John 3 and 1 John 5.
Peter denied Jesus 3 times despite being an apostle. People still sin even as a Christian, to believe otherwise is conceit.

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5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Which commandments in the law do you observe being broken by “anyone” so often? :IDK:
The greatest commandment: not loving others as they love themselves.
 
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1 Corinthians 2:11 - For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Peter denied Jesus 3 times despite being an apostle. People still sin even as a Christian, to believe otherwise is conceit.

1 John 1
5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


The greatest commandment: not loving others as they love themselves.
Can you explain 1 John 3 and 1 John 5?
 

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As Christians, we are dead to the control of sin over our lives. We occasionally sin, but we are not governed by sin.
 
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