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In this case, God is still offering the reconciliation through Jesus, but it is the people refusing. So it isn't like God is forgiving without reconciliation. He is still offering both, but the people aren't willing. I must admit though, I would not be so gracious if people were attempting to murder me. But this still proves my point - there is not a single point in time after Jesus came to earth where God forgives without reconciliation, even for the most heinous of sins. And yet, I have found "mature" Christians unable to forgive or reconcile for trivial things and the smallest of sins.
Yes I do understand there are folks like that even the smallest things its like gees really, it's that hard to forgive something so trivial and let's talk be friends.

Most of the times I stop just shake my head not physically but tell myself dont sweat the small stuff. for me it can be challenge to balance forgiveness and patience and probably a few more that helps keep peace of mind and express good vibes and love and happiness fellowship.
 
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In this case, God is still offering the reconciliation through Jesus, but it is the people refusing. So it isn't like God is forgiving without reconciliation. He is still offering both, but the people aren't willing. I must admit though, I would not be so gracious if people were attempting to murder me. But this still proves my point - there is not a single point in time after Jesus came to earth where God forgives without reconciliation, even for the most heinous of sins. And yet, I have found "mature" Christians unable to forgive or reconcile for trivial things and the smallest of sins.

Why wouldn't that request be granted? After all, within minutes a criminal at his side is forgiven and joins him in Sheole. However, those that crucified him, didn't change, didn't recognize him as the son of God and returned to their original evil ways. Perhaps if they had all been struck dead at that moment , they join him as well in Abraham's Bossom. Unless they later became Christians, they are damned for all time. But for a moment they are washed white as snow.
 
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..here's the review I never posted about that church..

Forget them mate, they sound like a bunch of fools and bozos and you've done good by walking out on them..:)-
Jesus said:-"If any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them" (Mark 6:11)
"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm" (Proverbs 13:20)
I don't belong to any church myself, i've walked out of plenty over the years because the bottom line is-
Jesus said:-"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)
 

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Why wouldn't that request be granted? After all, within minutes a criminal at his side is forgiven and joins him in Sheole. However, those that crucified him, didn't change, didn't recognize him as the son of God and returned to their original evil ways. Perhaps if they had all been struck dead at that moment , they join him as well in Abraham's Bossom. Unless they later became Christians, they are damned for all time. But for a moment they are washed white as snow.
That's my point. God always grants reconciliation alongside forgiveness, as long as the sinner is repentant. Of course, these things do not apply to non Christians or unrepentant; I'm specifically referring to the vast majority of those who claim to be sincere Christians, who say that forgiveness without reconciliation is biblical. Such a thing makes zero sense to me, particularly because Jesus says FIRST, FIRST, FIRST, go and be and reconciled, before giving tithes. I have no idea why we have devalued what seemed so critically important to Jesus.
 
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...the vast majority of those who claim to be sincere Christians, who say that forgiveness without reconciliation is biblical. Such a thing makes zero sense to me...I have no idea why we have devalued what seemed so critically important to Jesus.
drivenfuture, overall, it sounds like you're nearly on top of this. But know that some of your issues don't necessarily originate with you; such can be (and probably are) generational. That simply means that those in authority over you at the time (usually parents), did not stand in the gap and as a result, they ignorantly allowed demons to access you and others/siblings under their authority. This reality is something that is often overlooked and causes much hemorrhaging in the body of Christ. Demons like to act out their wicked nature via a human host; they know alot about your relatives, your parents, your grandparents, your great grandparents - they know alot about how you like to spend your fun hour. Thus, they prefer to remain in the family line (aka familial/generational spirits).

And you're right about not placing trust in man. Scripture tells us many times to trust no man. Indeed, we should not trust any man, including ourselves. The Bible says, "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom" (Micah 7:5). It also says "Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders" (Jeremiah 9:4), "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered" (Proverbs 28:26), "But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead" (2 Corinthians 1:9), "Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's" (2 Corinthians 10:7), "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD" (Jeremiah 17:5), and finally, "Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit." (Jeremiah 7:8)

You and I are the "church" - it's called the ekklesia - literally, "the called out ones," the assembly of believers. We have been CALLED OUT from the unclean thing. THIS is the "church" as we speak - where two or more are gathered together in his name.

Mainstream evangelical Christianity is in freefall. Instead of helping the afflicted, teaching each other how to cast out demons, they "cast out" the person from the church! This is abominable before the Lord, who gave US the power to cast out demons and to do even greater works:

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:19)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (John 14:12)

God's people are hurting, being destroyed for lack of knowledge. No more politics, high dramas, watered down versions, status-seeking pastors, canned sermons, building projects, covid pretexts, ad nauseum. It's long overdue for us to "be about [our] Father's business" (Luke 2:49)

You are dealing not only with demons, but also with curses - some or all of which are not of your own doing (again, generational). You can crucify your flesh all day long, but you cannot crucify a demon! Nor can you cast out your flesh! So the order of events is this: First, you crucify your flesh, THEN you cast out the demon(s) (and their curses with them).

It's time to get set free. Are you motivated? Do you truly want to be set free? The question is not rhetorical. Recall the lame man at the pools of Bethesda (read John chap 5), who had his friends carry him to the pools annually, in hopes of being the first into the water after an angel had stirred it up. The first in, was the first to be healed. But he could never be the first one in, because others who were faster would always beat him to it. When Jesus saw him, the first thing Jesus said to him was "Do you want to be healed?" To us, it seems like an obvious thing, but IT IS VITAL that you WANT to be healed. Imagine the annual ritual, probably a great deal of partying and revelry, to make that trip with his friends to the pools every year. He had been infirmed for 38 YEARS. IOW, he had become "comfortable" with the trek; he had become habitualized to it all; maybe he didn't want to give it up...

This is not a game, this is spiritual warfare.

I prefer that deliverance take place among other true believers, because I want to be held accountable and I covet their support. But self-deliverance is also a possibility.

Short version:

Your words are the vehicle by which you can effect change in the spiritual realm; we live and die by them. So SPEAK THIS OUT LOUD, so there be no doubt, in a place of no distraction, in your prayer closet.

1- humility
God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. So when you come to him, you must come with an attitude of complete humility. Ask the Holy Spirit to be present with you and to bring to your remembrance all that is necessary for deliverance.

2- confess
God already knows your entire story, but he requires that you bring it into the light. Confess all your sins, known and unknown, to the Lord. Call a spade, a spade - not an agricultural implement. IOW, keep it direct, simple and honest. Don't worry about your dignity; it will return later.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech...Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (2 Cor. 3:12, 17)

I keep what I call my "Laundry List" - a listing of my sins, everything I can remember, presently about 30 items/sins going all the way back. It's on my thumb drive. I call it a laundry list because laundry will eventually get washed clean! I pray over EVERY item.

3- repent
You must detest your sin. Tell the Lord you hate it. Turn completely away from it.

4-forgive
For most, this is the hardest part because some have been horribly harmed (e.g. rape, incest, etc.). But, if you do not forgive ALL OTHERS, God will not forgive you. Remember that this is NOT an emotion, it is a CHOICE. Yes, you may be holding a lawful I.O.U., but now you are CHOOSING to tear up that I.O.U.!!! Also remember to forgive your forefathers, your ancestors, your rellies, back to the third and fourth generations. Why? Because the sins of the forefathers i.e. those in authority over you, are visited down to the third and fourth generation i.e. to YOU. For example, do you know with certainty that there are no spirits of drunkenness or murder or adultery or witchcraft in your family line? No, you do not, so you must stand in the gap and FORGIVE THEM UNCONDITIONALLY nonetheless. Doing so closes the door to those generational demons. Don't forget to specifically address the pastoral issue. YOU ARE REMOVING THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO TORMENT YOU AND YOUR OFFSPRING when you forgive your rellies. The first to forgive is the first to get set free.

Remember that God sees and records all. ALL will be held accountable for their own sins,

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (Rom. 12:19)

5-claim and appropriate his authority, and EXPEL
Claim Jesus Christ as your Saviour AND Lord. Be absolutely certain that you are his.

There is only one thing more powerful that satan and/or his demons, and that is Jesus Christ. When we come into OBEDIENCE thru REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS, then we can effectively appropriate Christ's authority and deal victoriously with the enemy.

Now that you have proclaimed your Authority, you may call out i.e. EXPEL the unclean spirit. You do not need to know its name, but only what it does. Example: In Jesus Christ's name, demon of lust, GET OUT. ("Get out" is precisely the words that Jesus Christ said - simple and to the point.)

Demon of rejection, in Jesus' name, GET OUT; demon of pride, GET OUT; demon of pharmakeia/drug use, suicide, sexual impurity; witchcraft; occult; vulgar language; envy; jealousy; fear; etc. etc.

After expelling, give the demon time to come out by not saying anything more, IOW, give it time to come out without blocking it. You can have BELIEVER friends there praying for you, quoting the word of God aloud. If you have friends with you, be sure they are of one accord, i.e. they must be in complete agreement, lest the enemy will take advantage of their lack of unity and perhaps stop the deliverance.

When a demon comes out, you might cough and/or bring up sputum, or yawn widely, or feel a great weight removed, or a brightness experienced, or perhaps nothing noticeable at all. Listen for the Holy Spirit, follow his guidance. Others may get a word of knowledge about the situation from the Lord.

Stay away from the drugs. They also open doors to the enemy, as intended. This is a spiritual battle; your weapons are not physical, but THE BATTLE IS AS REAL AS IT CAN GET. When you get clean (as per above), and appropriate the King's authority, even the demons must obey!

DO NOT TRUST MEDS; trust ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST. HE WILL REPAY. Come fully onboard with him and let him do the work for you. The victory is yours, so please come onboard.
 
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So, I had written this online review of a church; but never posted, It mainly helped me get my thoughts out. I've thought many times that posting it would make me feel better. I really have no idea if it would or not. But it would certainly explain a lot. I want to stress there are so many issues besides this one, but at this point I just feel abused by most Christians; and that wouldn't be a problem if the secular world were treating me the same--but they're not. they're kinder, at that for me is a huge a problem. anyways, here's the review I never posted about that church:

It's been a long time since I've been to this church. I kept trying to think of why. There were a lot of things that happened, and we both played a part. I know that my actions certainly made the situation uncomfortable, there's no denying that. But I accepted that, and apologized, and as best as I could, accepted responsibility. The problem is that the pastor and his family did not take any responsibility. The pastor said my actions have consequences, the problem is that my actions were a consequence of his family's actions.
I served this church for 5 years, maintaining close friendships with many, including the pastor's family. I felt very close to the pastor's family, until one day, completely out of the blue, the pastor's family just ignored me. No discussion, no warning, no nothing. It was 100% complete abandonment. Then, in the midst of the abandonment, the pastor's son approached me to tell me I was barely tolerable.

This would lead to my first mental breakdown (long story short - Shizophrenic Bipolar), whereby I turned myself into the police, believing I had hurt them in someway. I said some pretty alarming things, no doubt, but in all of this, my concern as that I would rather sacrifice myself than to make them uncomfortable. So really, this is the only sticking point for their argument.

After a brief stay in the mental facility, I was advised to speak to the pastor by the assistant pastor. The assistant pastor said he does not think I offended the pastor's family. The pastor said the same...sort of. He said there's no animosity, and he doesn't feel slighted. So let me ask you, if I did nothing wrong, why in the world was I banned from Bible studies? His exact words were: "I can come to Main worship and Men's Breakfast." Now, I get the fact that Bible studies are smaller and there is the sense that things would be uncomfortable, but this seemed a bit too extreme to me.
I explained to the pastor that I felt like they didn't really want me there. He said, in these exact words, "Your feelings are not my responsibility," On the contrary, when you abandon someone without a word, and insult someone, their feelings are 100% your responsibility. We have a responsibility to each other, as Christians, to love one another in deed and truth, and understanding that your abandonment and your insults are spiritual murder are absolutely your responsibility.

Not only did he say that, but he also insisted I was welcome, and that they would treat me with kindness and respect. Then I would go home to find out his entire family had blocked me all over social media, which caused a great deal of confusion in my mind. I felt like I was receiving a million mixed signals.

A few weeks before this all happened, the pastor preached a message where he said something along the lines of, "If they knew this about me, could they still love me." It is true they saw a very messed up side of me. I don't blame them for being uncomfortable. But I wanted to believe, just once, that someone could see this very dark place of me, and say that they're still going to walk with me, and walk through it. Instead, I was shunned and ostracized, and the hard part to swallow is that the ostracism started just from me being annoying, not even from the dark place I had mentioned.

The pastor said we can't control what other people do, only how we respond. I suppose there is truth there that we can't control people, but I do sort of expect better from a pastor. He then said, "If someone does not want relationship, let them go, and embrace them when they come back," and also that their boundary was "Needing the space they need to process." Well, it's been 5 years, and I have given them tons of space. So now I have to say this was the pastor filling me with false hope.

What made this even more confusing, was that the pastor's family would also, years later, like my statuses on facebook, as if everything was just fine between us. It wasn't okay, certainly not in my eyes. There were a few people who reached out and told me they heard what had happened...and it became quite apparent that the story they got was very one-sided, of course with me having been cast as crazy.

I want to stress...I had minimal issues with other church members, and I love them dearly. They are some of the friendliest church members I have ever met, and I think they were caught in between a rock and a hard place regarding this situation. I even still love the pastor's family dearly in spite of everything that happened. I want to stress that I know I'm focusing on a few very painful months, but I also knew a really great side of the pastor's family for many years before that, too. I did feel like they were dedicated to helping me grow in my faith, I felt like they gave me a place to belong, which is why what happened was even so much more devastating. I also want to stress that they do have great relationships, so maybe your relationship with them will be better.
You are leaving something crucial out of the story and apparently what you apologized for - what you did, doesn't seem important. "There were a lot of things that happened, and we both played a part." Let's hear about those things!!! Did you kill their dog and hang it from the outside tree limb? But you apologized ... and added hey, the dog had it coming!" Okay ... not that bad?
So comment that you are "barely tolerable" may be true. ??? People DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH a mentally unstable and ill person. The Pastor, though he may be spiritually filled and a loving person, along with his family, may all feel that this is too much for them, they dealt with it as long as they could, but simply feel like they are not equipped to help you. And they may be scared. Listen, most of us are weak when it comes to dealing with this kind of mental illness. Psychiatrists are equipped. And frankly five years of giving you love and attention was probably more generous on their part than most of us would give. Truth be told, we would distance ourselves sooner. I know, this sounds heartless and lacks faith, but as doctors would say, meds and professional therapy is needed that none of us is qualified to provide.
So they got scared and distanced themselves. Forgive them AND let them go and move on, find other friends.
But don't blame Jesus because we failed you - He won't!
 
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So, I had written this online review of a church; but never posted, It mainly helped me get my thoughts out. I've thought many times that posting it would make me feel better. I really have no idea if it would or not. But it would certainly explain a lot. I want to stress there are so many issues besides this one, but at this point I just feel abused by most Christians; and that wouldn't be a problem if the secular world were treating me the same--but they're not. they're kinder, at that for me is a huge a problem. anyways, here's the review I never posted about that church:

It's been a long time since I've been to this church. I kept trying to think of why. There were a lot of things that happened, and we both played a part. I know that my actions certainly made the situation uncomfortable, there's no denying that. But I accepted that, and apologized, and as best as I could, accepted responsibility. The problem is that the pastor and his family did not take any responsibility. The pastor said my actions have consequences, the problem is that my actions were a consequence of his family's actions.
I served this church for 5 years, maintaining close friendships with many, including the pastor's family. I felt very close to the pastor's family, until one day, completely out of the blue, the pastor's family just ignored me. No discussion, no warning, no nothing. It was 100% complete abandonment. Then, in the midst of the abandonment, the pastor's son approached me to tell me I was barely tolerable.

This would lead to my first mental breakdown (long story short - Shizophrenic Bipolar), whereby I turned myself into the police, believing I had hurt them in someway. I said some pretty alarming things, no doubt, but in all of this, my concern as that I would rather sacrifice myself than to make them uncomfortable. So really, this is the only sticking point for their argument.

After a brief stay in the mental facility, I was advised to speak to the pastor by the assistant pastor. The assistant pastor said he does not think I offended the pastor's family. The pastor said the same...sort of. He said there's no animosity, and he doesn't feel slighted. So let me ask you, if I did nothing wrong, why in the world was I banned from Bible studies? His exact words were: "I can come to Main worship and Men's Breakfast." Now, I get the fact that Bible studies are smaller and there is the sense that things would be uncomfortable, but this seemed a bit too extreme to me.
I explained to the pastor that I felt like they didn't really want me there. He said, in these exact words, "Your feelings are not my responsibility," On the contrary, when you abandon someone without a word, and insult someone, their feelings are 100% your responsibility. We have a responsibility to each other, as Christians, to love one another in deed and truth, and understanding that your abandonment and your insults are spiritual murder are absolutely your responsibility.

Not only did he say that, but he also insisted I was welcome, and that they would treat me with kindness and respect. Then I would go home to find out his entire family had blocked me all over social media, which caused a great deal of confusion in my mind. I felt like I was receiving a million mixed signals.

A few weeks before this all happened, the pastor preached a message where he said something along the lines of, "If they knew this about me, could they still love me." It is true they saw a very messed up side of me. I don't blame them for being uncomfortable. But I wanted to believe, just once, that someone could see this very dark place of me, and say that they're still going to walk with me, and walk through it. Instead, I was shunned and ostracized, and the hard part to swallow is that the ostracism started just from me being annoying, not even from the dark place I had mentioned.

The pastor said we can't control what other people do, only how we respond. I suppose there is truth there that we can't control people, but I do sort of expect better from a pastor. He then said, "If someone does not want relationship, let them go, and embrace them when they come back," and also that their boundary was "Needing the space they need to process." Well, it's been 5 years, and I have given them tons of space. So now I have to say this was the pastor filling me with false hope.

What made this even more confusing, was that the pastor's family would also, years later, like my statuses on facebook, as if everything was just fine between us. It wasn't okay, certainly not in my eyes. There were a few people who reached out and told me they heard what had happened...and it became quite apparent that the story they got was very one-sided, of course with me having been cast as crazy.

I want to stress...I had minimal issues with other church members, and I love them dearly. They are some of the friendliest church members I have ever met, and I think they were caught in between a rock and a hard place regarding this situation. I even still love the pastor's family dearly in spite of everything that happened. I want to stress that I know I'm focusing on a few very painful months, but I also knew a really great side of the pastor's family for many years before that, too. I did feel like they were dedicated to helping me grow in my faith, I felt like they gave me a place to belong, which is why what happened was even so much more devastating. I also want to stress that they do have great relationships, so maybe your relationship with them will be better.
Hello & welcome.

Folks are not always what they present as " christians", even pastors over the flock as well as those who carry the Word as a banner; preachers, evangelist, teachers ect.

I believe I've read your story elsewhere in another forum. Didn't you have a close relationship with the daughter?
In that post, I read it suddenly happened. If this is you, why have you NOT moved on, you got good advice there.

IT IS JESUS WE MUST FOCUS ON, AND HIM ONLY.

Give your hurts to God or stay stuck in hurt and bitterness; yes you are bitter or this wouldn't be such a burden to you.

Has God hurt you?
Did the Word of God fail you ?

Man will ALWAYS fail & let ya down.....loose them & cling to the one who is always with believers.....The Holy Spirit of God!
 
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So maybe i did not clarify, but the "dark place" thing did not come into play until after they had started to cut me off. They ignored and insulted me which I believe triggered the mental issues and that's when I turned myself into the police believing I had hurt them. So, their boundaries started before the dark place thing, though I'm sure my response did not help matters any.

Nobody makes us have Mental Diseases.
They are generic in part and for reasons unknown to the Psychiatric field come in between 20 & 40 yrs of age..

Lay it all on Jesus even when it's the hardest thing to let go of......

Unless God heals, you will always be schizophrenic & have to see life from that side.....but don't let it side line nor bench you !
 

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You are leaving something crucial out of the story and apparently what you apologized for - what you did, doesn't seem important. "There were a lot of things that happened, and we both played a part." Let's hear about those things!!! Did you kill their dog and hang it from the outside tree limb? But you apologized ... and added hey, the dog had it coming!" Okay ... not that bad?
Schizophrenia is multiple personality disorder, right? So you act and speak like a completely different person sometimes _ without notice _ like a switch is flicked and "Here's Johnny's ... wanna play!" So comment that you are "barely tolerable" may be true. ??? People DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH a mentally unstable and ill person. The Pastor, though he may be spiritually filled and a loving person, along with his family, may all feel that this is too much for them, they dealt with it as long as they could, but simply feel like they are not equipped to help you. And they may be scared. Listen, most of us are weak when it comes to dealing with this kind of mental illness. Psychiatrists are equipped. And frankly five years of giving you love and attention was probably more generous on their part than most of us would give. Truth be told, we would distance ourselves sooner. I know, this sounds heartless and lacks faith, but as doctors would say, meds and professional therapy is needed that none of us is qualified to provide.
So they got scared and distanced themselves. Forgive them AND let them go and move on, find other friends.
But don't blame Jesus because we failed you - He won't!
No that's not schizophrenia, that dis- sociative disorder.
 

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No that's not schizophrenia, that dis- sociative disorder.
Oh, thanks for the correction, just looked it up. They both experience out of touch perceptions and reactions to reality.
"Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning, and can be disabling. People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment." Mayo Clinic
 
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I can't trust Christians
I can't trust Denominations

So... Where do I go from here?

I can trust Jesus
I can look for a church with a trustworthy pastor and congregation

Which is why I do not promote any singular denomination. And it is wise to discern the people in leadership...

1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. - 1 Timothy 3
 
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This would lead to my first mental breakdown (long story short - Shizophrenic Bipolar)
Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board. Sorry to hear - I will pray for you.
Please prayerfully and carefully examine God's Truth for His:

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(Ephesians 4:32) This, + ALL focus on The LORD Jesus Christ (not others) has made
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It is true they saw a very messed up side of me. I don't blame them for being uncomfortable. But I wanted to believe, just once, that someone could see this very dark place of me, and say that they're still going to walk with me, and walk through it. Instead, I was shunned and ostracized, and the hard part to swallow is that the ostracism started just from me being annoying, not even from the dark place I had mentioned.
I have no idea what this dark place is, did you threaten or insult them?
 

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Oh, thanks for the correction, just looked it up. They both experience out of touch perceptions and reactions to reality.
"Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning, and can be disabling. People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment." Mayo Clinic
I had schizoaffective/bipolar disorder tendencies... so a very mild version of schizo, basically hallucinations and depression. Of note, the "dark place" thing hadn't been revealed until after their abandonment. At least in my eyes, many of my issues were caused by their abandonment and insults.
Now, this is just a guess, but one person mentioned another site that "gave good advice," but when I revealed what happened, I was blocked from the site, and again, there have been far worse scenarios than mine.
Another note on that, is that I believe there may be PTSD involved in not moving on, it runs in my family. Previously, I mentioned "believe me, I want to move on, but can't."
So, due to previous experiences with other sites, I will say if you really must know, then you can message me and I will share what exactly happened.
 

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Folks are not always what they present as " christians", even pastors over the flock as well as those who carry the Word as a banner; preachers, evangelist, teachers ect.

Yes but they can't get under the Bibles radar, hence these warnings in the gospels.:)-
Jesus said - "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
You will know them by their fruits... every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit...Therefore by their fruits you'll know them" (Matt 7:15-20)

Jesus said:-"Many false prophets shall arise and deceive many" (Matt 24:11)
Jesus said:- "False christs and false prophets will perform false signs and miracles" (Mark 13:22)


And more warnings from elsewhere in the New T-
"Ungodly men have slipped in among you" (Jude 4)
".. some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves." (Gal 2:4)
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." (2 Cor 11:13/14)
"False prophets will bring damnable heresies and false teachers" (2 Pet 2:1)
"If anyone preaches a perverted gospel they're accursed" (Gal 1:6-9)
"Beware men who spoil you with enticing words, deceitful philosophy not after Christ" (Col 2:4-8 )
"Ignorant people distort things, to their own destruction" (2 Pet 3:16/17)
"Some shall believe seducing spirits and doctrines of devils" (1 Tim 4:1)

"Don't get carried away by strange teachings" (Heb 13:9)
 
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I had schizoaffective/bipolar disorder tendencies... so a very mild version of schizo, basically hallucinations and depression. Of note, the "dark place" thing hadn't been revealed until after their abandonment. At least in my eyes, many of my issues were caused by their abandonment and insults.
Now, this is just a guess, but one person mentioned another site that "gave good advice," but when I revealed what happened, I was blocked from the site, and again, there have been far worse scenarios than mine.
Another note on that, is that I believe there may be PTSD involved in not moving on, it runs in my family. Previously, I mentioned "believe me, I want to move on, but can't."
So, due to previous experiences with other sites, I will say if you really must know, then you can message me and I will share what exactly happened.
Confessing your sins to others is part of the healing process. You go as far as blaming Christianity - that is wrong. You need to forgive everyone in life and let go of grudges, not so much for them, but for yourself. You also need to be in professional therapy and on meds, like lithium.
My Grandmother was bipolar, as
well as an ex-girlfriend and also a former co-worker. It is like a sudden dark change in personality and behavior happens and you want to help, but can't and eventually you retreat.
My Grandmother went off and we all suffered for years until she started taking lithium and then turned backed into the sweet person that my Mom said she remembered - 15 years ago.
My ex-girlfriend was sweet until she got a couple beers in her - then she changed into a depressed and dark person who would say hurtful things. Needless to say, the relationship ended.
And my former co-worker would get angry like a grawling animal if she thought I was taking the sale away from her - a vicious neurotic reaction of sorts ... like a switch was flicked on. I soon got transferred to another store.
Here is something that I remembered in a book by a very wise Psychoanalyst, Scott Peck:
A question was asked him in an interview; "If you got so depressed to the point of having suicidal thoughts, what would you do?" He said, "I would help someone. Then after after that, I would go find someone else to help and continue these good deeds".
GETTING THE FOCUS OFF YOURSELF IS THE KEY TO HEALING DEPRESSION. There is a lot of junk inside us and if we are so preooccupied with ourselves and feelings, "what's in it for me" or we are greedy and just plain selfish, we will not find happiness. Actually the most blessed and happiest people are those who love others more than themselves. They put others needs before theirs.
You are self - focused right now with these issues. You can't move on because you are stuck in your head thinking about yourself. Get out and help others and don't endlessly rehearse and rewind these episodes. Exercise, eat good, take B vitamins and meds and reconcile with Jesus.
Another helpful task: Memorize the Sermon on the Mount. That is what my Pastor told a man to do who was so depressed and couldn't get find a way out. He said, when you've accomplished that, come back and see me. The man did and said after while of rehearsing the scripture, he forgot what he was depressed about and was healed.
 
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I had schizoaffective/bipolar disorder tendencies... so a very mild version of schizo, basically hallucinations and depression. That is simply the label the M.D. (Medical Deity) pulled out of his desk reference manual to fit your $ymptom$. If you buy into that, then you will render to that selfsame "authority" (and open even more doors to the enemy via the meds). Recall that there is a form of obedience that leads to death (Rom 6:16). Of note, the "dark place" thing hadn't been revealed until after their abandonment. At least in my eyes, many of my issues were caused by their abandonment and insults. Rather, the consequences are the result of a spiritual reality.
Now, this is just a guess, but one person mentioned another site that "gave good advice," but when I revealed what happened, I was blocked from the site, and again, there have been far worse scenarios than mine.
Another note on that, is that I believe there may be PTSD involved in not moving on, it runs in my family. Again, this would be a generational spirit aka a familial spirit. Previously, I mentioned "believe me, I want to move on, but can't." Of course. As long as ppl continue to attempt to apply physical solutions to spiritual problems, nothing will change and the demons will continue laughing and harming.
So, due to previous experiences with other sites, I will say if you really must know, then you can message me and I will share what exactly happened.
 

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Do you know what I have discovered? The church would be a wonderful place if there were not so many Christians in it.
 
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Do you know what I have discovered? The church would be a wonderful place if there were not so many Christians in it.
I beg to differ. I feel like the church would be much better with more true Christians and less wolves in sheep's clothing.