First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

[Wrangler]

I have said numerous times we have to trust in Christ. and you keep throwing universalism in my face.;

are you unable to read?

Are you able to recognize the contradictions you keep making. Except for the work we have to do - trust Jesus - there is no work on our part to be saved. This is just a complicated way of saying there is work on our part; we must do the work of trusting another to be lord of our lives.

I wonder how many millions of people through the ages were not saved, turned off by such insolent contradictions have you have espoused in dozens of posts.

 

[Wrangler]

Then your not talking about biblical work..

Right. I'm talking about work in the general sense. Action we need to undertake for our own salvation. Why else does Timothy say to work out your own salvation? This is why. We got work to do - even thought it is not works in the Biblical sense.

 

[Wrangler]

Thats not a work in the biblical sense.

1. That is the work of God
2. We do not earn salvation because we believe.

No one said anything about earning salvation. We have to do the work of working out our own salvation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you able to recognize the contradictions you keep making. Except for the work we have to do - trust Jesus - there is no work on our part to be saved. This is just a complicated way of saying there is work on our part; we must do the work of trusting another to be lord of our lives.

I wonder how many millions of people through the ages were not saved, turned off by such insolent contradictions have you have espoused in dozens of posts.

Lol

You work to EARN a wage, You work to EARN a reward. You work to GAIN something, so you can puff yourself up or boast.

Salvation is a gift. It is not a wage, it is not a reward, it is nothing I cna puff myself up wiht or boast.

It is boasting in christ. Who did ALL the work.

again, You have no comprehension of hat the biblical word work means.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No one said anything about earning salvation. We have to do the work of working out our own salvation.

You work out the salvation you already have..not to gain it. Or keep from losing it

You are claiming we have to work for salvation every time you say we have to work..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right. I'm talking about work in the general sense. Action we need to undertake for our own salvation. Why else does Timothy say to work out your own salvation? This is why. We got work to do - even thought it is not works in the Biblical sense.

Paul tells Timothy too work out the salvation he had.

How many times do I have to show you where we are not saved by works Before you get it?

 

[Wrangler]

You work to EARN a wage,

True but irrelevant. The point hinges on work - action on our part - needed. A gift of $1 billion that we did earn still needs to be cashed for us to get the benefit of.

In other words, we have to accept the gift. Trusting Jesus. Accepting Jesus. These are action words, which is our work.

And there is no way around it - unless universalism is correct doctrine.

 

[Wrangler]

How many times do I have to show you where we are not saved by works

I get it.

Works in the Biblical sense. Work in the common use of the word.

Not the same.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

True but irrelevant. The point hinges on work - action on our part - needed. A gift of $1 billion that we did earn still needs to be cashed for us to get the benefit of.

In other words, we have to accept the gift. Trusting Jesus. Accepting Jesus. These are action words, which is our work.

And there is no way around it - unless universalism is correct doctrine.

its not irrelevant at all

It is what scripture says

God did the work by bringing his salvation to me.

All I have to do is receive it

But as many as received him, to THEM he gave the right to become sons of God, even to those who believe in his name

Me receiving his gift is not a work.. no matter how you slice it

Get off your universalism nonsense.. I am not universalist. and nothing I say speaks of universalism. You are using it as a strawman. and you will not gain anything by continuing with that nonsense

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I get it.

Works in the Biblical sense. Work in the common use of the word.

Not the same.

work biblical or common is the same

again, If my parent came to give me a gift, they did the work needed to pay for it. and they did the work of purchasing it. then offer it to me

it is not a work for me to receive that gift.. That is nonsensical.

I also receive that gift because my parents have did the work of earning my trust my faith in them, which also was there work..

I did not work to trust them, they worked to gain my trust. thats why faith is not a work. it is the work of the one you have faiht in.

 

[robert derrick]

Confession with the mouth is the first bodily work unto salvation, but it is not the first work we do to be saved.

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

What is our first love, but Him that first loved us? And what is the first work of loving God, but purifying our hearts by faith unto righteousness. The Ephesians had departed the purifying work of the spirit within to only be doing the outward righteousness of the flesh. They had become Pharisee Christians.

Our first work unto salvation and justification with Christ therefore, is by our spirit working with Christ through faith unto confession with the mouth. It is our spiritual work in believing from the heart unto righteousness of God.

No man believes with the heart unto righteousness, without also resisting the thoughts and intents of the mind unto sin. Faith alone sown in the heart by hearing only, does not spiritually exercise the faith unto righteousness.

The carnal minded doctrine and gospel of dead faith alone, does not acknowledge the things of the spirit and soul of man, that we must work by faith inwardly first to work by faith outwardly in the flesh.

Being created in the image of God is having power of the spirit to think, intend, and imagine with the heart, just as God does, as well as His created angels.

Our thoughts, intents, and imaginations are our spirit at work, which is called having our mind at work by natural man. Our words and deeds of the body are only manifestation of our spirit, that works either with God unto doing righteousness as he, or with the devil unto doing unrighteous works of the flesh as he.

Not only are our words works to be judge by, but Jesus declares the working of our spirit is judged first:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Lusting is a work of man's corrupted spirit, and is judged as a work of the flesh by the Lord.

So, although our spirit is first at work with the Spirit of God, to believe with the heart unto righteousness, God still commands us to confess His Son the Lord Jesus with our mouth to be saved, so that the faith of our heart is made complete and whole with our body.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

What is inside alone, is dead, until what it outside in word and deed proves it is there. The doctrine of man's dead faith alone, says something alive is there, that no man can hear nor see. If man can't see and hear our faith, then God won't save and justify by it.

 

[robert derrick]

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Purging our hearts and minds of lust and filthy imagination of the world is the first work of them hearing, believing, and obeying the word and gospel of God from the heart. Faith alone without works is dead, because it does no work of the spirit nor of the flesh to please God by His faith.

And so our spirit works with God's Spirit unto believing from the heart and cleansing our minds of all lust of the world. If we do this continually, then we will also do the good works of the body with confession of praise and doing righteousness of God.

And Moses said before the LORD, Behold, I am of uncircumcised lips, and how shall Pharaoh hearken unto me?

Hear the right, O LORD, attend unto my cry, give ear unto my prayer, that goeth not out of feigned lips.

By the working of our spirit with Christ, we are thus sanctified by the Spirit in the circumcision of Christ, that we also may be sanctified in the flesh with circumcised lips, and unblameable words and deeds of the body.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Those who trust solely in the faith alone, care nothing for the continual good work of our spirit with God, casting down all vain imagination and thought for lust, that the devil tempts us with, even as He did with Jesus, unto the end.

Faith alone is carnal mindedness. Faith with working of the spirit and of the body, is the faith of Jesus given unto salvation.

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Those justified in Christ live by His faith, not just think about it, without doing anything with the spirit nor body unto righteousness of God.

 

[Gilligan]

One is saved at a moment in time, by faith..

By confessing with our mouth the Lord Jesus.

Any salvation before that is by man through his faith alone.

 

[Gilligan]

I don’t deny anything my friend. i just asked you a question..

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

I am not the one accusing God my friend. You are. By saying his death on the cross was insufficient.

For the unrepentant. Not even God's Son dying for man's sins is sufficient for all men to repent of sinning.

By claiming when he said it is finished, He lied. And there must be more.

True.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

 

[Gilligan]

One is born again, saved, at a point of time, This point of time is when they have faith in the gospel of Christ.

Faith enough to repent of sinning and confess the Lord Jesus.

Faith alone is dead without works of faith.

AFTER this point of time. A person who has TRUE living faith, will work.

No man is saved before confessing the Lord Jesus from the heart.

Your dead faith alone sophistry is false.

That saving faith that saved the person at that POINT OF TIME, will never be alone

Not after confessing the Lord Jesus, no.

Yep still the same legalistic mindset. You have to twist and try to deflect from the truth and try to misrepresent someone else.. because you can;t respond to the truth of Gods salvation, which s by GRACE, through faith, and not by works

You say there is no such things as faith alone, and then preach the cursed gospel of being saved by faith alone.

 

[robert derrick]

By confessing with our mouth the Lord Jesus.

Any salvation before that is by man through his faith alone.

It amazes me how some people don't understand simple English. God says we must confess His Son the Lord Jesus unto salvation, and others say we must not, because we are already saved by our own faith alone.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Faith enough to repent of sinning and confess the Lord Jesus.

Faith alone is dead without works of faith.

No man is saved before confessing the Lord Jesus from the heart.

Your dead faith alone sophistry is false.

confessing Jesus is not a work.. if you go and confess trust in someone on the streets. do you get paid for it? Do you get a reward for it? Can you boast in yourself because you confessed another?

I think people need to realize what a biblical work is.

A biblical work would be water baptism, Praying, Studying, Spreading the gospel. Assembling together etc etc.

its things we do to bear fruit and receive reward

Faith is the work of God

Confessing your faith is just confessing your trust in the work of another. in this case, God

Not after confessing the Lord Jesus, no.


You say there is no such things as faith alone, and then preach the cursed gospel of being saved by faith alone.

we are not even saved by Faith. we are saved by GRACE, Grace is offered to everyonwe, but only those who repent and come to faith (us trusting God to recieve his gift) that God applies that gift of salvation to us. Not by works. As John said, as MANY AS RECIEVED HIM, to THEM HE GAVE THE RIGHT to become sons of God. even to them who have faith..

You do not save yourself by having faith

You do not save yourself by confessing Jesus

God saves you

People need to stop trying to add works to the gospel..

How many times did Paul say it?

we have been saved by Grace THROUGH faith and not of yourselves. not of works LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST

NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we HAVE DONE, but BY HIS MERCY he saved us

And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It amazes me how some people don't understand simple English. God says we must confess His Son the Lord Jesus unto salvation, and others say we must not, because we are already saved by our own faith alone.

another double talker.

It amazes me how people can be so blind to what people say. and have to mock them, because they can not admit their own error

 

[robert derrick]

another double talker.

It amazes me how people can be so blind to what people say. and have to mock them, because they can not admit their own error

Are we saved before confessing the Lord Jesus with our mouth?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are we saved before confessing the Lord Jesus with our mouth?

Like the tax collector

I am saved the moment I call out to God and ask for his salvation..That is confessing to God the lord..