Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[Eternally Grateful]

You're doing exactly what you're questioning, by cherrypicking a few scriptures and ignoring the rest. So you're relying solely on John 3, 4, 5, 6? What about the various NT letters or the conversions in Acts? What about Mat 28:19 or the aforementioned Mark 16:15-16? Do you think the entirety of requirements or the entirety of any subject is found in only one verse? Why are there 4 gospels and why are they all needed? Likewise, why all the various letters? The fact is, they all are necessary to piece together the various pieces found in different parts of scripture in order to get the complete picture and to understand the same.

Jesus told us in those passages how to be born again or saved.

And he did not mention baptism in any of them, He mentioned it in one passage. You assume he meant water. I assume he meant that Baptism that John the Baptist spoke of.

so no. I am not doing what you did. I am making the word agree with itself

 

[David in NJ]

Lol ....David, you mock the Eucharist. So does the satanic church. Are you in league with them?

As a former catholic who was baptized in RCC and fully confirmed RCC i fully believed in RCC eucharist,
as well as praying the Rosaries to Mary.

Now/Today, thru the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ, i am free from those man-made religious idols that cannot save anyone.

Christ has set me free from sin and death which abounds in RCC.

i encourage you to Read the Gospel of John, Romans and Hebrews.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don't know. That phrase by itself can mean anything you want. Considering the context, and Jesus' intent it can only mean one thing.
Jesus tells them that whatever they bind or loose on earth, is already loosed or bound in heaven. In other words, contrary to Catholic teaching, Jesus is not saying that his apostles will have authority to decide what to bind or loose. No. Jesus is saying that they will have authority to identify what heaven has bound or loosed. Understand? Jesus and the Father are in charge.

WRONG.

Jesus tells THEM that whatever THEY have the power to bind or loose. This is why, at the Last Supper, He assures them that the Holy Spirit will guide them to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15). This is also why He breathed out the Holy Spirit upon them and gives them the power to forgive sins (John 20:21-23).

Only twice in ALL of Scripture does God “breathe’ on man:
a. God breathed life into Adam
b. Here , where He give the Apostles the power to forgive or retain sins.

Again, context is king. Jesus is talking to his apostles. He is NOT talking to or about anyone after that.

WRONG again.

I’ve already shown you in Acts 1:20 that the role of Apostle was an OFFICE – the office of Bishop. This is the entire reason for choosing Mattathias to replace Judas. He is the successor of Judas’s office.

On the contrary, ἐπισκοπὴν doesn't refer to an office; it refers to a function. But even if it was an office, the range of possible candidates that might fill the position that Judas vacated is very limited.

Thus one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time the Lord Jesus associated with us, 22 beginning from his baptism by John until the day he was taken up from us—one of these must become a witness of his resurrection together with us.”​

Can you find a Catholic Bishop, living today, who might fit these qualifications? I don't think so. No one alive today can testify to what Jesus actually did and what he actually said.

Possibly your weakest argument.

First of all – the Greek word Episkopay from Acts 1:20 translates as Bishopric. (literally, “Overseership”. That’s the role of a Bishop – an Overseer.
Peter, Paul and the others appointed Bishops. Paul even gave an outline for the qualifications of a Bishop (1 Tim. 3:2-12)

Deuteronomy 18:20

But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name, a word which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’​

Only true apostles and prophets can speak for God.

Infallibility doesn't rest in an office, such as a Pope. Infallibility rests in the Divine oracles and the only question that matters is, "Did God say it or not? Did Jesus teach it or not? Did God ratify it or not?

FIRST of all – you completely dodgerd the question about the validity of Sola Scriptura. NONE of what you posted even begins to address it.

Secondly – nobody is claiming that Infallibility is something that comes from a man.
I have stated what the Church teaches – that is it a guaranteed from GOD – not man.

Whereas men may make errors in BEHAVIOR - like Peter in Gal. 2:11-13 – Jesus guaranteed the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would guide them to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15) when it comes to matters of the faith.

Your name calling is noted.

What “name-calling”?
I was referring to your behavior.

I don't accept your premise that universal acceptance of a particular fact claim is automatically proof of a fact claim. Truth is not found in majority rule or confession under duress.

And once again – you’re dodging having to answer any questions about Sola Scriptura.
Since it purports that Scripture is our SOLE Authority – and If you CAN’T prove it from Scripture – then it is a FALSE doctrine.

Incorrect. Jesus himself teaches and John the apostle reiterates that he left the Holy Spirit to teach us.

Yes - THROUGH the Church (Matt. 28:19-20).

If you hand me a stick, claiming it to be a ruler, and if I measure it against another ruler and find that your ruler is an inch short, then I simply conclude that your ruler is NOT a reliable measuring device. If you hand me a catechism and I compare it to the scriptures and find errors, I am going to conclude that your catechism is in error and an unreliable source of Gospel truth. It's really quite simple.

My comments concerning pedophilia speaks to the reliability of the RCC as an institution. We expect men to fail, but since the RCC attempted a coverup, we are right to conclude that the RCC is not a reliable or infallible source of gospel truth. It cared more about saving face than the boys under their care.

Funny how you guys ALWAYS point too the sex scandal that rocked the church – but you close your eyes to the WORSE problem in YOUR Protestant sects.

In his book, Pedophiles and Protes – Protestant author, Philip Jenkinns sompares the problem in Protestant circles and reports that it is worse. The key reason for the targeting of the Catholic Church was MONEY.

Catholic parishes and dioceses are insures and many Protestant sotegrone “churches” are not.
So, clean up the mess in your OWN back yard before you point fingers . . .

How Protestant Churches Hid Sexual Abuse ..
Blogger Who Exposed Protestant Sex Abuse Cover Up Sued By Her Pastor
Denial About Sexual Abuse In Evangelical Churches
Southern Baptists Apologize For Sex Abuse Coverups
Confronting Evangelical Enabling of Sexual Abuse
Bombshell: sex abuse, coverup in America's largest Protestant .
Southern Baptist leaders covered up sex abuse, kept secret ...​

I don't agree with your premise that we are talking about Christianity. We are talking about the Catholic Religion, which is simply another pagan religion, wearing the mask of Christianity.

And you have YET to show me HOW this is true.

You indicated a comparison between the Catechism and Scripture (above) – but you came up EMPTY in the “Evidence” category . . .

 

[DJT_47]

Jesus told us in those passages how to be born again or saved.

And he did not mention baptism in any of them, He mentioned it in one passage. You assume he meant water. I assume he meant that Baptism that John the Baptist spoke of.

so no. I am not doing what you did. I am making the word agree with itself

You are very wrong . He also told us to believe and be baptized to be saved in Mark16:15-16. He also said as recorded in one of the passages you adhere to, John 3:5, that you must be born of WATER and of the Spirit.

Acts 2:38 clearly spells that out: that you must be baptized for the remission of sins after which you'll receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and it further goes on to say that the Lord adds you to the church which is his body upon doing so, in verse 47.

 

[Gospel Believer]

You present a very interesting theory. Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

If your theory were true then why do the earliest Christian historical writings all disagree with your writings, 2,000 years later? Were the NT Christians wrong and YOU are right?

Baptism in the Early Church

The “ program” got changed.....Acts is a Transitional Book....Read beyond Acts 2:38 to the end of that Book and you should understand how.... At the start of Acts . Peter truthfully declares that one must be water baptized to get the Holy Spirit ( Without which, one is Lost) ......later on , Paul proves that that Saving Holy Spirit can be obtained by simply Believing —- as in Believing Paul’s Gospel ( Given to Paul by Jesus personally) Plus Nothing....
Paul declared that he was NOT “ sent to Baptize”.......He was never concerned with water baptizing new Believers....he knew that they had undergone the Baptism that counted.....if they Believed the Gospel That he preached, they were already Baptized into The Body Of Christ—— THAT is the Baptism that counts for Salvation....

 

[CadyandZoe]

Ummmm.....So you do know your post supports "centralized leadership"?

If anyone teaches "contrary to what we have preached to you"........... means THEY (the Apostles) are THE centralized leadership and anyone that preaches AGAINST their leadership is accursed.

You do see that, don't you?

How so? What I see are independent witnesses. THEY, the apostles didn't get together to form a consensus. Their accord was not based on consent, it was based on a common experience and a common teaching, which came from God the father himself.

Matthew 16:17

And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.​

The apostles were taught by the Father through Jesus his son and the Holy Spirit. Their role was to be eyewitnesses to what they saw, what they heard, and what they witnessed about the Word of Life. The Father's teaching was the basis of their consensus.

Did they come to start a new religion? No. They came to announce the word of life. And the scriptures are the reliable record of their teaching.

 

[CadyandZoe]

WRONG.

Jesus tells THEM that whatever THEY have the power to bind or loose.

Consider the following verse.

Mathew 18:18

Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.​

Whatever the Apostles bind on earth, "shall have been" bound in heaven. In other words, the apostles weren't deciding what to bind; the apostles were being shown what was already bound.

This is why, at the Last Supper, He assures them that the Holy Spirit will guide them to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

John 16:13-15

13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take from Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you.​

​

Here the Lord assures his apostles that failing memory will not be a problem for them in their role as witnesses to what they saw, what they heard and what they witness. Jesus will send the Spirit of Truth to help these men remember what Jesus spoke and what he did. He tells them that the Spirit of truth will not speak on his own but "whatever he hears." The Spirit of Truth will "take from mine", meaning the teaching of Jesus and his miracles and disclose it to the apostles. Jesus declares that the Spirit of Truth will guide the Apostles in what ever "he hears", taking from Jesus the knowledge and wisdom given to him and disclosing it to his apostles. In this manner, the spirit of Truth will glorify Jesus.

This supports my contention that the only two people authorized to tell us what to believe is Jesus Christ and God the Father. The Spirit of Truth is revealing what he hears from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is also why He breathed out the Holy Spirit upon them and gives them the power to forgive sins (John 20:21-23).​

You speak another common misunderstanding. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus and the Apostles do not have the power to forgive sins. They have the ability to identify those whom the Father has forgiven already.

John 20:22-23

22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”​

If you forgive the sins of any, their sins HAVE BEEN forgiven.

I’ve already shown you in Acts 1:20 that the role of Apostle was an OFFICE – the office of Bishop. This is the entire reason for choosing Mattathias to replace Judas. He is the successor of Judas’s office.

You didn't "show" this to me. You asserted your interpretation and I disagreed with you. I corrected your misunderstanding from Paul's epistle to the Ephesians where he makes it very clear that God gives men, not offices.

Possibly your weakest argument.

First of all – the Greek word Episkopay from Acts 1:20 translates as Bishopric. (literally, “Overseership”. That’s the role of a Bishop – an Overseer.
Peter, Paul and the others appointed Bishops. Paul even gave an outline for the qualifications of a Bishop (1 Tim. 3:2-12)

What a word is translated isn't necessarily the meaning that the word intends to convey.

FIRST of all – you completely dodgerd the question about the validity of Sola Scriptura. NONE of what you posted even begins to address it.

I don't think I dodged the question. I thought I was very clear that your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. That is, the fact that many denominations exist does not logically follow from a common corpus. Instead, the existence of various denominations is the result of independent thinkers, which is a good thing, not a bad thing. Protestantism respects the life of the mind, whereby a group of individuals is dedicated to the truth and ask each other "Isn't this what the Lord has said?"

Followers of Jesus are humble in their views and aren't afraid of being corrected if proven wrong. But we have discovered that the process is not only necessary but desired. Only those who live in fear of being wrong need to have an authority tell them what to think. And only those afraid of the truth need to censure those with whom they disagree.

Secondly – nobody is claiming that Infallibility is something that comes from a man.
I have stated what the Church teaches – that is it a guaranteed from GOD – not man.

So you claim. Your claims aren't supported by reality though. Your church gets a lot of things wrong.

Funny how you guys ALWAYS point too the sex scandal that rocked the church – but you close your eyes to the WORSE problem in YOUR Protestant sects.

I don't think I closed my eyes to anything. I am speaking against ALL forms of organized religion, not only the RCC. If Protestantism has similar problems then this simply adds support to my contention. Contrary to your incorrect narrative, I am not pitting the RCC against Protestantism. Remember? I said Jesus did NOT come to establish a new religion. Denominationalism is just as bad as the RCC. Jesus never intended the saints to divide up into factions. Jesus intends that we all become independent thinkers, living and working according to his teaching. God the father provides men, who have the gift of overseer to help me, but such men always defer to the scriptures.

You used the scriptures in support of your views, which is just what I also do. We are both discussing issues that are important and significant to believers and we both make our appeals from scripture. That's how it should be. And I appreciate your efforts.

With regard to pedophilia, you seem to have misunderstood why I mentioned it. I wasn't as focused on the pedophilia as much as I was focused on the coverup. It's a question of philosophia -- a lover of wisdom and truth. Any organization that whitewashes the ugly truth of its existence shows itself incapable of facing the truth. I would not count such an organization among those whom God is directing.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are very wrong . He also told us to believe and be baptized to be saved in Mark16:15-16. He also said as recorded in one of the passages you adhere to, John 3:5, that you must be born of WATER and of the Spirit.

Acts 2:38 clearly spells that out: that you must be baptized for the remission of sins after which you'll receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and it further goes on to say that the Lord adds you to the church which is his body upon doing so, in verse 47.

Baptism is not mentioned in John 3. Jesus told nicodemus HOW to be born again. and he never mentioned baptism.

In Acts 2. Peter told people who repented to be baptized BECAUSE they recieved remission of sin. Not in order to gain it.

 

[DJT_47]

Baptism is not mentioned in John 3. Jesus told nicodemus HOW to be born again. and he never mentioned baptism.

In Acts 2. Peter told people who repented to be baptized BECAUSE they recieved remission of sin. Not in order to gain it.

Once again, you're out to lunch. In the John 3:5 passage, what do you think WATER means, to be born of water? Kool-aid?

And read the original Greek interlinear which says "for the forgiveness of sins of you"; "for" is a preposition. They are not forgiven until you are baptized and they are washed away thereby. Other scriptures clearly support this. Read all the scriptures related to baptism and salvation. The Ethiopian eunuch was immediately baptized in WATER after he heard the word, believed, and confessed.

 

[DJT_47]

The “ program” got changed.....Acts is a Transitional Book....Read beyond Acts 2:38 to the end of that Book and you should understand how.... At the start of Acts . Peter truthfully declares that one must be water baptized to get the Holy Spirit ( Without which, one is Lost) ......later on , Paul proves that that Saving Holy Spirit can be obtained by simply Believing —- as in Believing Paul’s Gospel ( Given to Paul by Jesus personally) Plus Nothing....
Paul declared that he was NOT “ sent to Baptize”.......He was never concerned with water baptizing new Believers....he knew that they had undergone the Baptism that counted.....if they Believed the Gospel That he preached, they were already Baptized into The Body Of Christ—— THAT is the Baptism that counts for Salvation....

You are 100% totally wrong. Nothing got changed: the bible nowhere says nor infers that. And your comment about Paul not being sent to baptize shows your lack of understanding. Read futher in 1 Cor 3:6. Paul planted and Apollos watered. Paul was the orator.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again, you're out to lunch. In the John 3:5 passage, what do you think WATER means, to be born of water? Kool-aid?

Jesus told us what water means

That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh, that which is born of Spirit (spirit) is spirit

You tell me WHY jesus never mentioned the word baptism once in his explanation of HOW we are to be born again?

John 3:
4 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Please show me the word baptism!

And read the original Greek interlinear which says "for the forgiveness of sins of you"; "for" is a preposition. They are not forgiven until you are baptized and they are washed away thereby. Other scriptures clearly support this. Read all the scriptures related to baptism and salvation. The Ethiopian eunuch was immediately baptized in WATER after he heard the word, believed, and confessed.

In the greek "for" can mean multiple things, just like in english

I call the doctor for medicine - I call to receive some medicine
I call the doctor for my sons illness.. I call the doctor BECAUSE My son is sick

Othere scripture does nto support that. I was baptised INTO Christ. That is where my sins are washed. It is dfone by Gods mercy through the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit

Attributing the work of the HS in baptizing us into Christ to some person who baptizes you in water is blasphemous

 

[DJT_47]

Jesus told us what water means

That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh, that which is born of Spirit (spirit) is spirit

You tell me WHY jesus never mentioned the word baptism once in his explanation of HOW we are to be born again?

John 3:
4 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Please show me the word baptism!


In the greek "for" can mean multiple things, just like in english

I call the doctor for medicine - I call to receive some medicine
I call the doctor for my sons illness.. I call the doctor BECAUSE My son is sick

Othere scripture does nto support that. I was baptised INTO Christ. That is where my sins are washed. It is dfone by Gods mercy through the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit

Attributing the work of the HS in baptizing us into Christ to some person who baptizes you in water is blasphemous

 

[DJT_47]

You said it yourself above: you said

"I was baptised INTO Christ. That is where my sins are washed. It is dfone by Gods mercy through the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit".

EXACTLY! you were baptized, immersed in water, for the remission of your sins which is exactly what Acts 2:38 says to do. And at that point of being baptized into Christ, you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and verse 47 says that thereby you are added to his body which is the church, all done at the time one is baptized into Christ. We're baptized into his death according to Romans 6. It's also referred to as the washing of regeneration in Titus 3.

See below short study on the subject of baptism which entails all of it's benefits which can't be achieved any other way, such ad aforementioned in Acts 2:38, being baptized INTO Christ and thus becoming a member of his body.

BAPTISM

Necessity or option?
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Baptism is required in order to:
· Be saved

Mark 16:16 “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved”

1st Peter 3:20/21 “Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (3:21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Titus 3:5 “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost”;

· Wash away/remit sins
· Contact the blood of Christ
· Be added to the Lord’s body which is the church
· Be buried/planted with Him in the likeness of his death thus enabling like resurrection
· Get “into” Him, put on Christ, and become a child of God
· Receive blessings in Him

Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost”.

Acts 2:41 “Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls”.

Acts 2:47 “Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”

Acts 22:16 “And now why tarriest thou? arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord”

Rom 6:3 “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death”?

Rom 6:4 “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life”.

Gal 3:26/27 “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ”.

1st Cor 12:13 “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Rom 6:5 “For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection”:

Rev 1:5 “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood”-----

Heb 10:22 “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of Faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water”.

Col 2:12 “Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead”.

Steps to becoming a Christian
· (1) Hearing the word/gospel (Rom. 1:16, Mk. 16:15, Rom. 10: 14 thru 17, 1 Cor. 1:21 thru 24, Mat 7:24)
· (2) Believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (Mk. 16:16, Heb. 11:6, John 12:46)
· (3) Confessing this before men (Rom. 10:9, 10, Rom. 10:13, Acts 8:37, Mat 10:32)
· (4) Repenting of your sins (Acts 2:38, Luke 13:3, 5, 14:47)
· (5) Being baptized (immersed in water) for the remission (forgiveness) of your sins after which, you are added to the Church (above referenced). (Acts 2:38-41, 47)

 

[Marymog]

..........THEY, the apostles didn't get together to form a consensus.,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yup CadyandZoe..........You are right. There is no record of The Apostles getting together to form a consensus. Well, except in Acts 15 at The Council of Jerusalem. But other than that......they never did.



Bible Study Mary

 

[Marymog]

Did they come to start a new religion? No. They came to announce the word of life. And the scriptures are the reliable record of their teaching.

Hi CadyandZoe,

I don't understand your question: Did they come to start a new religion?

Help me out here. How do you define religion?

Sincerely, Mary

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You said it yourself above: you said

"I was baptised INTO Christ. That is where my sins are washed. It is dfone by Gods mercy through the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit".

EXACTLY! you were baptized, immersed in water, for the remission of your sins

No, I did not say that

I said I was BAPTISED into christ

Baptise means to immerse or place into.

Water is a thing I can be immersed or placed into

Christ is a thing I can be immersed or placed into

I was baptized into Christ.

A year later. i was baptized into water.

they are two events.

 

[Marymog]

The “ program” got changed.....Acts is a Transitional Book....Read beyond Acts 2:38 to the end of that Book and you should understand how.... At the start of Acts . Peter truthfully declares that one must be water baptized to get the Holy Spirit ( Without which, one is Lost) ......later on , Paul proves that that Saving Holy Spirit can be obtained by simply Believing —- as in Believing Paul’s Gospel ( Given to Paul by Jesus personally) Plus Nothing....
Paul declared that he was NOT “ sent to Baptize”.......He was never concerned with water baptizing new Believers....he knew that they had undergone the Baptism that counted.....if they Believed the Gospel That he preached, they were already Baptized into The Body Of Christ—— THAT is the Baptism that counts for Salvation....

Hey Gospel Believer,

Here is another way to look at your interpretation by taking into consideration ALL of Scripture, in context, instead of the cherry-picked parts that support your interpretation of Scripture:

Paul doesn’t say that baptism is not essential to the gospel. Rather, he is concerned with the administration of baptism. In 1 Cor. 1:11-12 Paul is addressing a problem that arose in the Corinthian church, where some were identifying themselves with particular ministers and causing division within the community. Paul wrote this because the Corinthians were adopting religious affiliations based on the minister who baptized them. Consequently, Paul was grateful that he hadn’t baptized more people than he did among the Corinthians, lest they affiliate themselves with him. It is within this context that Paul says, “For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel”. His intent is not to separate the sacrament of baptism from the gospel but rather to clarify his own part in the administration of the actual rite of baptism among the Corinthians.

Even if your interpretation that Paul wasn’t sent to baptize in a strict, general sense, it doesn’t follow that baptism is not essential to the gospel. Paul's preaching of the gospel could have included the necessity of baptism for salvation with the administration of the actual rite of baptism left to other ministers. Someone other than Paul performing baptism wouldn’t preclude baptism from being essential to the gospel message that Paul preached.

What we see here is that Paul is using hyperbole and he’s using it to emphasize two things: 1) it doesn’t matter by whom you’re baptized, and 2) his apostolic role is not restricted to administering baptism but also involves preaching the gospel. We know that Paul’s statement, “For Christ did not send me to baptize,” is hyperbolic because Jesus commanded all the apostles to make disciples of all nations by baptizing them (Matt.28:19-20). Since Paul is an apostle, it therefore belongs to his ministry to baptize. Also, if Paul weren’t sent to baptize in a strict sense, then he would have acted in disobedience when he baptized Crispus, Gaius, and the household of Stephanas.

In Summary: Neither God or Jesus or the Apostles "changed" the "program" as you have been taught. God didn't one day say baptism is necessary and then the next day change his mind and use Paul to say baptism isn't necessary. You were taught this by someone who improperly interpreted Scripture. Some Protestant men changed the teachings of Scripture.

Bible Study Mary

 

[Marymog]

As a former catholic who was baptized in RCC and fully confirmed RCC i fully believed in RCC eucharist,
as well as praying the Rosaries to Mary.

Now/Today, thru the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ, i am free from those man-made religious idols that cannot save anyone.

Christ has set me free from sin and death which abounds in RCC.

i encourage you to Read the Gospel of John, Romans and Hebrews.

Hey David in NJ,

Sooooooo do you do what He told you to do (Luke 22:19)?

What is your answer to Paul's question in 1 Corinthians 10:16?

I encourage you to read ALL of Scripture, in context, so that you will know the Truth on how to be saved and doing what He tells you to do is one step in that direction.

@Eternally Grateful likes your ill informed post....Maybe she can help you out?

 

[DJT_47]

No, I did not say that

I said I was BAPTISED into christ

Baptise means to immerse or place into.

Water is a thing I can be immersed or placed into

Christ is a thing I can be immersed or placed into

I was baptized into Christ.

A year later. i was baptized into water.

they are two events.

You make no sense. Being baptized into Christ means being immersed in water. The baptism in Acts 2:38 is identical to the baptism of John in Luke 3:16, Mark1:4, Mat 3:6, John 1:26, in water, in the Jordan River and, for the same reason, the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, except in Acts 2:38, you're baptized in the name of Jesus Christ putting you into Christ. This is what baptism means: One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

 

[David in NJ]

Hey David in NJ,

Sooooooo do you do what He told you to do (Luke 22:19)?

What is your answer to Paul's question in 1 Corinthians 10:16?

I encourage you to read ALL of Scripture, in context, so that you will know the Truth on how to be saved and doing what He tells you to do is one step in that direction.

@Eternally Grateful likes your ill informed post....Maybe she can help you out?

You said: "so that you will know the Truth on how to be saved"

Please share with us - 'how we are to be saved'....