A rather rhetorical question for the "Hell is FOREVER" crowd

[Behold]

There is no 2nd Chance to go to heaven, found in Hell.
And its the Devil's deception to teach that Hell can be escaped, or that its temporary, or does not exist.
God created hell "for the devil and His angels, so, if God knows its there, you can confidently rest assured its real.
There are some who would say that Hell is a Greek """ mistranslation"""", or that the Catholics created it, or that its a city dump near Jerusalem, .. however, Hell was Created for Lucifer and the fallen angels, and that means it was created before ADAM, before the Greek Texts, and before Jerusalem was built.
And you can point that out to the "no heller's" cult people.

Now.
Being found in Hell after you die, is proof that you are eternally separated from God, which is why you are there.

So.....Let me show you why you will never get out of hell, never get out of the lake of fire, and will exist in this torment, that is the 2nd death, as There is no release from it, there is no relief from it.
Once you are there, after you die, you stay there for as long as God lives.

First..

God requires FAITH to give you the new birth.
"all that BELIEVE"
Jesus said that If you BELIEVE in Him, He'll give you eternal life.

But here is the situation.... you have to believe without SEEING, as faith is not faith if you can see it.
You have to believe in JESUS by FAITH, and FAITH is not faith if you can see it., regarding "all that BELIEVE".

See, once you are in Hell, you will KNOW for certain that "its all real".. as you will be in HELL and that is not Faith, that is reality.
IN HELL you wont need any faith to know that Jesus is real.
See that?
Listen, everyone in HELL, right now, Believes, because they SEE IT and that is not FAITH.
Everyone who went to hell today, yesterday, and tomorrow,= ALL BELIEVE In Jesus NOW.
There is not one unbeliever in Hell......NOT ONE !., Yet they all went there as Christ rejecting UNBELIEVERS.
Its why you go.

John 3:36

They ALL believe in Jesus now, same as the Devil.
See...God only saves you when you believe without SEEING, as that is FAITH, and there is no Salvation without FAITH.
And FAITH is to believe in what you can't SEE.

Hebrews 11:1

2nd.........

There is no Cross of Christ in Hell.
There is no blood atonement offered in Hell.
The CROSS was raised on EARTH,. Jesus died for your sin on EARTH..... and you have to BELIEVE in Jesus while you are ON EARTH and still breathing if you want to be saved and go to Heaven.
There is no 2nd chance to do that after you die.. You have to do it NOW, TODAY., while you are alive.

2 Corinthians 6:2

There is no 2nd Chance to believe in Hell, as once you are there, you will SEE that its all true and that is not faith.
There is NO born again person in hell, and there is no way to become born again in hell.

Remember.......There are no born again believers in Hell.
There are no unbelievers, never born again, in Heaven.

Listen reader...
Do not listen to anyone who tells you that Hell is not real, or, if they tell you that you can go to hell and get saved later, while you are there, or that you can be "prayed out of Hell".
= You can't.
Do not believe the deception that "there is no hell".

Jesus taught more about Hell than He taught about Heaven.

 

[PinSeeker]

We are told that there will be weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth.
I believe it will be because they have seen and realise what they have rejected.

WE will all realise that God's judgement of those who hate him is perfectly just.
The use of emotive words like ' torture ' only shows a little,e of understand about God's Holiness and our sinfulness.
None of us deserve God's mercy and those who reject it are guilt of being sinners and guilty of despising God's offer of mercy.

A great, great post. Thank you, WMC. Yes, they will have seen and fully realize what they have rejected, and no longer have any hope of redemption through and life in and with Christ Jesus. And this will be a figurative torture to them, their worm that will not die.

Grace and peace to you, WMC.

 

[PinSeeker]

...it should not be a problem to accept what the Bible says about Hell (the Lake of Fire). Ultimately it is not human opinions but the Word of God which is the final authority.

Well, much agreed. Absolutely. But the problem here also is that there are differing human opinions regarding the lake of fire and what it really is and is not.

Grace and peace to you, Enoch.

 

[Patrick1966]

Being found in Hell after you die, is proof that you are eternally separated from God, which is why you are there.

If that's true then the following verse is FALSE.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

 

[PinSeeker]

"Being found in Hell after you die, is proof that you are eternally separated from God, which is why you are there."

If that's true then the following verse if FALSE.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

Right, so to rephrase what is said above, it's 100% separation from God's grace ~ which some may think sounds not so bad...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Patrick1966]

Right, so to rephrase what is said above, it's 100% separation from God's grace ~ which some may think sounds not so bad...

It literally says that ALL will see the salvation of God. Your disagreement isn't with me, it's with God.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

 

[Behold]

If that's true then the following verse is FALSE.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

Yes, that is true., but it does not say that all shall have salvation.
Seeing it, is not the same as possessing it.
Now Read vs 7, as that is the context.

"The wrath to come"......

When is that?, as that is when all FLESH shall see it....

That is prophetic, and related to this......The Great Trib, and .. 2 Thessalonians 1:8


Remember that "flesh", our bodies... go to the GRAVE, not to heaven.
So, to be in the flesh and SEE salvation, happens down here.

 

[Patrick1966]

Yes, that is true., but it does not say that all shall have salvation.
Seeing it, is not the same as possessing it.
Now Read vs 7, as that is the context.

"The wrath to come"......

When is that?, as that is when all FLESH shall see it....

That is prophetic, and related to this......The Great Trib, and .. 2 Thessalonians 1:8


Remember that "flesh", our bodies... go to the GRAVE, not to heaven.
So, to be in the flesh and SEE salvation, happens down here.

ETERNAL separation is a false doctrine. However, some may be damned in this age.

 

[Behold]

ETERNAL separation is a false doctrine. However, some may be damned in this age.

The reason Jesus said......>"you must be born again" is because you are separated from God, until you are "born again".

To be "born again" is to become "one with God', as Adam was before he sinned and lost SPIRITUAL UNION with God.

The 2nd Adam, Jesus The Christ, by His sacrificial death, is the Only Way....> John 14:6. That a BELIEVER can become spiritually "one with God" again.
Jesus the 2nd Adam came to restore to the world what 1st Adam lost. = Spiritual Union with God.

This is to be "born again".

 

[Patrick1966]

The reason Jesus said......>"you must be born again" is because you are separated from God, until you are "born again".

To be "born again" is to become "one with God', as Adam was before he sinned and lost SPIRITUAL UNION with God.

The 2nd Adam, Jesus The Christ, by His sacrificial death, is the Only Way....> John 14:6. That a BELIEVER can become spiritually "one with God" again.
Jesus the 2nd Adam came to restore to the world what 1st Adam lost. = Spiritual Union with God.

This is to be "born again".

In the end, all will be born again because that is God's will.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

 

[Behold]

In the end, all will be born again because that is God's will.

Jesus was given to the world, not to those in Hell, who are there because when they were breathing, they chose to reject their Salvation., who is Christ on the Cross.

Being in Hell, is the end result of never being born again while you are alive.
There is no Cross in Hell. There is no 2nd chance in Hell.

Going to Hell after you die, is a choice you made, by rejecting the Son of God as your Savior, while you were breathing and could come to the Cross.
You can't go to The Cross in Hell. Its not available.
Jesus said you """died in your SINs""", and you have them, and that is why you are there. = Christ Rejector....never born again.

There are no Born again, in Hell.
There are no Christ Rejectors, never born again, in Heaven.
There is no 2nd chance given in Hell to become a believer in Yeshua.

Hell was created for the Devil and His Angles, before Adam was created on Earth.

Christ said this of unbelievers. "You are of YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL and you will do the lusts of your father".

Being born again, means that you now and forever have a different Spiritual Father then you had when you were not born again and the devil was your spiritual father.
No son of the devil, (unbelievers) will be going where BORN AGAIN - SONs/Daughters OF GOD end up.
Thats a fact of eternity.

 

[Patrick1966]

Jesus was given to the world, not to those in Hell, who are there because when they were breathing, they chose to reject their Salvation., who is Christ on the Cross.

Being in Hell, is the end result of never being born again while you are alive.
There is no Cross in Hell. There is no 2nd chance in Hell.

Going to Hell after you die, is a choice you made, by rejecting the Son of God as your Savior, while you were breathing and could come to the Cross.
You can't go to The Cross in Hell. Its not available.
Jesus said you """died in your SINs""", and you have them, and that is why you are there. = Christ Rejector....never born again.

There are no Born again, in Hell.
There are no Christ Rejectors, never born again, in Heaven.
There is no 2nd chance given in Hell to become a believer in Yeshua.

Hell was created for the Devil and His Angles, before Adam was created on Earth.

Christ said this of unbelievers. "You are of YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL and you will do the lusts of your father".

Being born again, means that you now and forever have a different Spiritual Father then you had when you were not born again and the devil was your spiritual father.
No son of the devil, (unbelievers) will be going where BORN AGAIN - SONs/Daughters OF GOD end up.
Thats a fact of eternity.

Your view is unbiblical.

1 Timothy 4:10 esv
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

 

[Behold]

Your view is unbiblical.

1 Timothy 4:10 esv
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

The Cross is given as John 3:16-17

Its the offer of Salvation.

Jesus is the ONLY Savior, of all people, but only those who BELIEVE are this...

"Jesus said... all that BELIEVE in Me, i give unto you eternal life, and you shall never perish".

See the "believing', that is "especially those who Believe".....yet, Jesus is the ONLY Savior, of all people, but not all people will believe and be saved.

This is why Jesus said..>"depart from me, i never knew you"....... = They were never born again.

Even today thousands died and went to hell, because they rejected the only WAY to God, who is JESUS the Savior of all people.

 

[Patrick1966]

Even today thousands died and went to hell,...

That's possible but nobody stays there forever.

 

[Behold]

That's possible but nobody stays there forever.

Thats true, as those who are in it, end up in the "lake of fire", as does Hell itself.

Revelation 20:14

Try to understand that going to heaven after you die, is based on what you did with Christ, while you are on earth.
Noone goes to heaven later, to be saved THERE, as to go there after you die, is because you were born again on Earth.

 

[Patrick1966]

Thats true, as those who are in it, end up in the "lake of fire", as does Hell itself.

Try to understand that going to heaven after you die, is based on what you did with Christ, while you are on earth.
Noone goes to heaven later, to be saved THERE, as to go there after you die, is because you were born again on Earth.

If you're opinion is accurate then Paul and Luke (and many others) are wrong.

 

[Behold]

If you're opinion is accurate then Paul and Luke (and many others) are wrong.

The reason that I "Preach the Cross"....is because Paul preached it to the LOST....so that by believing in Jesus, they dont have to die in their sin, and end up in Hell.
The Preaching of the Cross gives everyone who = "faith comes by hearing" the Gospel, a chance to BELIEVE and be saved. )Born again)

Listen, just think.
There would be no need of a preacher, of a teacher, of a bible, of a church service,.... if there was no hell to be avoided in eternity.
See, if we all went to heaven, then there is no need of Paul or me, or any preacher or any bible or any CROSS OF CHRIST .

You have to think.

 

[PinSeeker]

It literally says that ALL will see the salvation of God. Your disagreement isn't with me, it's with God.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

I really don't think I'm disagreeing with God, Patrick, or you, for that matter. Your comment here is a bit of a head-scratcher to me.

So, avoiding making any assumptions, though, what do you think it means to see the salvation of God? And in asking that, it brings to mind the following:

"All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God." (Psalm 98)​

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And, without actually quoting it, what Paul writes in Romans 1:16-23.​

Again, what you say here is a head-scratcher. I'm trying to understand how you see things. Grace and peace to you.

 

[Patrick1966]

I believe in the word of God.

1 Corinthians 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[PinSeeker]

In the end, all will be born again because that is God's will.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Ah, so you are a universalist, is that right? That I would strongly disagree with, because the Word of God clearly says that universalism is not true. If you are a universalist, then how do you reconcile that with Romans 8-11, where this same Paul who wrote his letter to the Ephesians writes:

"For those whom He foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom He predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified... not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel... He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, Who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.' So then He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills... Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump done vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show His wrath and to make known His power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of His glory for vessels of mercy, which He has prepared beforehand for glory ~ even us whom He has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?... Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved..."

Again, I'm refraining from making any assumptions about what you believe, but do you not see from what Paul says here that Israel is a subset of all humanity?

Grace and peace to you.