Bishop Barron on Holiness
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Attaining holiness is by grace through faith. It is a gift of God given to those who forsake their own lives. It is a gift of intimacy with the living God. There is no process of attaining holiness. There is no progressive sanctification. We are either holy by being in God's presence...or we are not.
This is good Epi. It's not always easy, for many to distinguish between holiness and righteousness. I sure don't have it down yet but am allowing myself to be open to others' views.
Thank-you, Episkopos! I got a lot out of your explanations!
If Jesus is truly the "centre" of anyone's life and heart, they would preach/teach HIS word rather than their own words and thoughts punctuated with scripture- that is always a slippery slope leading to more and more error.
The slippery slope is the religious notion that what one has surmised or assumed ABOUT Jesus is the same as being an actual follower of Christ.
We are to be DOERS of His words not just hearers and commentators.
Bishop Barron is right in describing how one needs to put Christ at the center of our motivations. We are to preach the gospel always and if necessary...use words. The religious tendency to indoctrinate others comes from the foundation of having been indoctrinated.
Holiness is based on the resurrection life in Christ...and not at all a religious conditioning that sees promulgation of beliefs as a necessary requirement for someone to feel saved.
Behold
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You just taught that God's Gift of Salvation.....which is God's Holiness provided to the Believer, as "the Gift of Righteousness" , is attained by self effort, and that is not the case.
See, the reason the born again are "holy" is because they are "made righteous", by God's "Gift of Righteousness".
There is no such thing as "im righteous, based on my self effort, or discipleship"., as works can't make you righteous, or redeemed, or holy.
If Jesus is the "centre" then we would look to and follow His example and teachings. Did He teach "if necessary use words"? Not in any bible I have read. He went around doing good WHILE preaching the gospel of the kingdom as did the apostles and early church in general. And while not everyone is called to preach as such, we're all called to be witnesses.
Not to mention we would do well to examine whether Jesus being the "centre" is actually taught in the word of God. Is it not more that He should be ALL AND IN ALL - that is more than just being the centre. Being the centre seems to fall short. So important to just teach/preach the plumbline/cornerstone/touchstone of the pure word of God and not the thoughts and words of man (whether our own or others'). If Jesus is our all in all we will be looking to HIM, His word. Otherwise it's like the old telephone game, where by the end of the game the message is so very far away from the original as to be another message entirely. Rather teach/preach and expound the words of God, that He has graciously given to us for doctrine, instruction, correction and reproof . I noticed early on how so many homilies and sermons were the thoughts of man rather than bringing the word of God - this leads astray of the truth more and more into human sympathies and fleshly emotions and new agey thinking, things that seemeth right to man - another spirit in other words!
In your thread you taught people how to avoid the cross.
Denying the Cross: How to do it
Just look for the CROSS in their "how im saved" and "what keeps me saved". Its MISSING. THE CROSS OF CHRIST = is not works, its not obedience, its not water baptism. Here is how the Heretic always sounds.... """"""Yes i know that Jesus saved me.....but now i have to keep this and do...
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Behold
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You lie too much., Episkopos.
You just did it again, and you'l do it again.
The reality is, all my posts and Threads, Give Christ all credit for HIS Salvation, that is OUR Eternal Redempiton.
Behold
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Jesus IS Salvation.
Where did He finish it?
A.) On The Cross.
How is this proven?
A.) By the Resurrection.
How do we Receive it ?
A.) "our FAITH is counted AS....Righteousness".
= "Justification by Faith, without the deeds of the Law".. "without works"..."without water baptism".
Behold
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@Episkopos
Explain to the members here why you dont want THE CROSS OF CHRIST, ... on your Thread, that is not understanding "holiness".
Explain it to them.
Behold
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I can't watch it.
Sorry.
But it is good that you've now brought the Cross into the Discussion, regarding Holiness.
Glad i could help you with that, again.
We will nor seek for something we think, or in the case of holiness, assume, we have. We can lose what we have mislabeled. How important is holiness in the lives of believers? Is this not worth investigating?
Behold
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There is the eternal redemption that is found "In Christ" as born again.
There is also the daily lifestyle, and that is to be lived in the power of the Holy Spirit.
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