What do you accept?

[xBluxTunicx82]

Genetic studies indicate various lineages found in modern Jewish populations; however, most of these populations share a lineage in common, traceable to an ancient population that underwent geographic branching and subsequent independent evolutions.[42] While DNA tests have demonstrated inter-marriage in all of the various Jewish ethnic divisions over the last 3,000 years, it was substantially less than in other populations.[43] The findings lend support to traditional Jewish accounts accrediting their founding to exiled Israelite populations, and counters theories that many or most of the world's Jewish populations were founded entirely by local populations that adopted the Jewish religion, devoid of any actual Israelite genetic input
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So to prove that the ancient Israelites are the same people as the Jews of today is not proven, but most modern Jews have been proven to have roots in Khazaria or Russia. So the ancient Israelites were not the same as the Jews of today, since Christianity began with the Israelites and the Word of God given to Moses, to say that Christianity came from Judaism is not true. What then is the Jewish religion, Judaism is based on the Talmud. The Talmud originated in ancient Babylonia and was finally written down about 500 years after Christ, the Talmud has nothing to do with the Old Testament and/or Christianity. The Jews pay lip service to the Old Testament and keep it as their own, but they didn't write it originally, they adopted it. Many peoples adopt things from other peoples, but it doesn't make it their own.

So we can see that Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism religiously or racially. Might I also point out that no-where in the Bible is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Christ Yahshua or even St. Paul called a Jew, they are all refered to as Israelites. The word Jew doesn't even appear in the Old Testament until 2 Kings 16:6, almost halfway through the Old Testament. I think anybody reading this, before they call Christianity a Jewish religion and accept the lies of the Jews as being God's Chosen people should look over the facts and realize that Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism or what we would call Jewish today. A lot of people don't believe the lies of the Jews, the Holohoax for example, but for some reason they believe that the Jews are the People of the Book, when they clearly are not.

Let's go onto what is Jewish, Hollywood movies, sick Jewish movies, MTV, disgusting filth projected on the one eyed monster, that is all Jewish. On top of that whenever somebody criticizes Jewish productions, you'll always find somebody who defends it. I'm not talking about the Lord of the Rings, or decent White music, or some great Epic movie, I'm talking horror movies like Saw, filthy disgusting sexual movies like American Pie. Trash like that, that often gets defended, I thought you reject anything Jewish?

To sum this up, I don't think anybody can continue to call Christianity Jewish, or should I say true Christianity. Christians have kept the Jews under control for the past couple of thousand years and only in recent years after the Holohoax have attitudes changed. Christianity is the fighting force that saved Europe from the Mongels, the Turks, the Moors and the Huns. We all owe Christianity a debt of gratitude and I think it's about time if we really want to attack religion we attack the religions that are a real threat, Islam and Judaism. People are crazy about attacking Christianity, but I often notice that they don't go as harshly against Islam and Judaism, I should know, I see it here in my country and in other countries. It's about time we put our priorities in order.

 

[Angelina]

To sum this up, I don't think anybody can

continue to call Christianity Jewish, or should I say true Christianity. Christians have kept the Jews under control for the past couple of thousand years and only in recent years after the Holohoax have attitudes changed. Christianity is the fighting force that saved Europe from the Mongels, the Turks, the Moors and the Huns. We all owe Christianity a debt of gratitude and I think it's about time if we really want to attack religion we attack the religions that are a real threat, Islam and Judaism. People are crazy about attacking Christianity, but I often notice that they don't go as harshly against Islam and Judaism, I should know, I see it here in my country and in other countries. It's about time we put our priorities in order.

You have a serious problem.... :huh:

 

[aspen]

White supremacy. Pure as the driven snow, right Blue?

 

[dragonfly]

From the op:

So we can see that Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism religiously or racially

If you stick strictly to what the Bible records, you can see that without exception, all the first Christians were Israelites - including some Jews..

Might I also point out that no-where in the Bible is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Christ Yahshua or even St. Paul called a Jew, they are all refered to as Israelites

This is not strictly true.

Abraham was never a Jew. He was the first Gentile to be circumcised as a sign of his faith in God's word to him.

Isaac was never a Jew either, but he was Hebrew, being descended from Abraham.

Jacob was never a Jew, but he was Hebrew, and his name was changed to Israel (Genesis 32). His sons became the heads of the twelve tribes of Israel which became a nation for the first time at Sinai, under Moses (and the law from God).

David was of the tribe of Judah. This is the origin of the term, 'Jew', which after the kingdom divided, came to be associated with those Israelites who were (theoretically) still in fellowship with God.

Solomon was of the tribe of his father, Judah.

Christ Yashua was a Jew, as he was descended through his mother from king David. He said: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. (John 4)

St Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin (which on one of its boundaries shared Jerusalem with big brother Judah). However, Paul himself, as soon as he was converted an baptised, he preached that Christ is the Son of God (Acts 9:20),

Acts 9:22 But Saul [Paul] increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.

What that means is, he could show from the Old Testament (not the Talmud)how Christ fulfilled all the prophecies relating to the Messiah for whom all true Israelites at heart had been waiting: John 1:40 One of the two which heard John [speak], and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ..... 45 We have found....


You are correct that modern 'Jews' are not all ethnically pure Israelites, but, this situation existed long before Jesus came, because from the giving of the law of Moses, there were very few bars to a non-Israelite becoming a member of the commonwealth of Israel through circumcision (and baptism and the correct sacrifice). In fact, there was one amongst the twelve disciples: Simon the Canaanite - Matthew 10:4, Mark 3:18. Note also Acts 2: 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. In other words, these Jews were not necessarily Israelites by birth, although many of them may have been able to trace their ancestors back to an Israelite.

Remember, it was not against the law of Moses for an Israelite to take a wife who was not an Israelite. His circumcision counted as hers, because a man and wife are one flesh, and their children would have been technically Israelites. We see this in the genealogy of Jesus Himself, twice, with Rahab and Ruth.


Regarding 'Judaism', you're correct that it was changed by the priests and religious leaders who did not become Christians. They carried on a new religion which had no blood sacrifices, while not acknowledging the Lamb of God which He had provided once, for all, in His Son Jesus Christ.

But it is not true to say there is no connection between the Jewish religion before Christ, and Christianity. It was He Himself who prophesied the ending of that old order:

Luke 13:31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected. 33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem*. 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! 35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Luke 9:31b* '... his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.')

Some years later, the writer of the epistle to the Hebrews wrote: Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, [He = Jesus] 'Lo, I come to do thy will, O God'. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second [new covenant]. [see Hebrews 8:8 : the house of Israel refers to the ten tribes who broke away, leaving Judah and Benjamin with Temple worship.]

[The writer to the Hebrews is quoting a prophecy in Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me, 8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart. (see Luke 22:42) ]



Sorry if this reply seemed a bit long. I hope you will move towards finding your belief system in the Bible, where spiritual safety lies. There is a great deal of rhetoric out there in the world - containing part-truths and part fiction.

 

[Foreigner]

To sum this up, I don't think anybody can continue to call Christianity Jewish, or should I say true Christianity. Christians have kept the Jews under control for the past couple of thousand years and only in recent years after the Holohoax have attitudes changed.

-- Just curious...
Is it difficult to type looking through the eyeholes of your white hood?

 

[bytheway]

Genetic studies indicate various lineages found in modern Jewish populations; however, most of these populations share a lineage in common, traceable to an ancient population that underwent geographic branching and subsequent independent evolutions.[42] While DNA tests have demonstrated inter-marriage in all of the various Jewish ethnic divisions over the last 3,000 years, it was substantially less than in other populations.[43] The findings lend support to traditional Jewish accounts accrediting their founding to exiled Israelite populations, and counters theories that many or most of the world's Jewish populations were founded entirely by local populations that adopted the Jewish religion, devoid of any actual Israelite genetic input
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So to prove that the ancient Israelites are the same people as the Jews of today is not proven, but most modern Jews have been proven to have roots in Khazaria or Russia. So the ancient Israelites were not the same as the Jews of today, since Christianity began with the Israelites and the Word of God given to Moses, to say that Christianity came from Judaism is not true. What then is the Jewish religion, Judaism is based on the Talmud. The Talmud originated in ancient Babylonia and was finally written down about 500 years after Christ, the Talmud has nothing to do with the Old Testament and/or Christianity. The Jews pay lip service to the Old Testament and keep it as their own, but they didn't write it originally, they adopted it. Many peoples adopt things from other peoples, but it doesn't make it their own.

So we can see that Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism religiously or racially. Might I also point out that no-where in the Bible is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Christ Yahshua or even St. Paul called a Jew, they are all refered to as Israelites. The word Jew doesn't even appear in the Old Testament until 2 Kings 16:6, almost halfway through the Old Testament. I think anybody reading this, before they call Christianity a Jewish religion and accept the lies of the Jews as being God's Chosen people should look over the facts and realize that Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism or what we would call Jewish today. A lot of people don't believe the lies of the Jews, the Holohoax for example, but for some reason they believe that the Jews are the People of the Book, when they clearly are not.

Let's go onto what is Jewish, Hollywood movies, sick Jewish movies, MTV, disgusting filth projected on the one eyed monster, that is all Jewish. On top of that whenever somebody criticizes Jewish productions, you'll always find somebody who defends it. I'm not talking about the Lord of the Rings, or decent White music, or some great Epic movie, I'm talking horror movies like Saw, filthy disgusting sexual movies like American Pie. Trash like that, that often gets defended, I thought you reject anything Jewish?

To sum this up, I don't think anybody can continue to call Christianity Jewish, or should I say true Christianity. Christians have kept the Jews under control for the past couple of thousand years and only in recent years after the Holohoax have attitudes changed. Christianity is the fighting force that saved Europe from the Mongels, the Turks, the Moors and the Huns. We all owe Christianity a debt of gratitude and I think it's about time if we really want to attack religion we attack the religions that are a real threat, Islam and Judaism. People are crazy about attacking Christianity, but I often notice that they don't go as harshly against Islam and Judaism, I should know, I see it here in my country and in other countries. It's about time we put our priorities in order.

And this tripe is important because????

 

[xBluxTunicx82]

It needs to be heard, or if you love the jews so much, just move to Israel! Oh wait, they spit on Christians there so you may not want to tell them about Christ!

From the op:
If you stick strictly to what the Bible records, you can see that without exception, all the first Christians were Israelites - including some Jews.. [/color]

This is not strictly true.

Abraham was never a Jew. He was the first Gentile to be circumcised as a sign of his faith in God's word to him.

Isaac was never a Jew either, but he was Hebrew, being descended from Abraham.

Jacob was never a Jew, but he was Hebrew, and his name was changed to Israel (Genesis 32). His sons became the heads of the twelve tribes of Israel which became a nation for the first time at Sinai, under Moses (and the law from God).

David was of the tribe of Judah. This is the origin of the term, 'Jew', which after the kingdom divided, came to be associated with those Israelites who were (theoretically) still in fellowship with God.

Solomon was of the tribe of his father, Judah.

Christ Yashua was a Jew, as he was descended through his mother from king David. He said: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. (John 4)

St Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin (which on one of its boundaries shared Jerusalem with big brother Judah). However, Paul himself, as soon as he was converted an baptised, he preached that Christ is the Son of God (Acts 9:20),

Acts 9:22 But Saul [Paul] increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.

What that means is, he could show from the Old Testament (not the Talmud)how Christ fulfilled all the prophecies relating to the Messiah for whom all true Israelites at heart had been waiting: John 1:40 One of the two which heard John [speak], and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ..... 45 We have found....


You are correct that modern 'Jews' are not all ethnically pure Israelites, but, this situation existed long before Jesus came, because from the giving of the law of Moses, there were very few bars to a non-Israelite becoming a member of the commonwealth of Israel through circumcision (and baptism and the correct sacrifice). In fact, there was one amongst the twelve disciples: Simon the Canaanite - Matthew 10:4, Mark 3:18. Note also Acts 2: 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. In other words, these Jews were not necessarily Israelites by birth, although many of them may have been able to trace their ancestors back to an Israelite.

Remember, it was not against the law of Moses for an Israelite to take a wife who was not an Israelite. His circumcision counted as hers, because a man and wife are one flesh, and their children would have been technically Israelites. We see this in the genealogy of Jesus Himself, twice, with Rahab and Ruth.


Regarding 'Judaism', you're correct that it was changed by the priests and religious leaders who did not become Christians. They carried on a new religion which had no blood sacrifices, while not acknowledging the Lamb of God which He had provided once, for all, in His Son Jesus Christ.

But it is not true to say there is no connection between the Jewish religion before Christ, and Christianity. It was He Himself who prophesied the ending of that old order:

Luke 13:31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected. 33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem*. 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! 35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Luke 9:31b* '... his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.')

Some years later, the writer of the epistle to the Hebrews wrote: Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, [He = Jesus] 'Lo, I come to do thy will, O God'. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second [new covenant]. [see Hebrews 8:8 : the house of Israel refers to the ten tribes who broke away, leaving Judah and Benjamin with Temple worship.]

[The writer to the Hebrews is quoting a prophecy in Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me, 8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart. (see Luke 22:42) ]



Sorry if this reply seemed a bit long. I hope you will move towards finding your belief system in the Bible, where spiritual safety lies. There is a great deal of rhetoric out there in the world - containing part-truths and part fiction.

You are one of a few that doesn't attack this as hate! I thank you for that, as I hold no hate in my heart for any man, but I can see that propaganda has flooded many a good hearted Christian to believe in things that aren't correct.


We are about to examine how the Latin word “gentile” was introduced into our present Bibles. Yes, “gentile” is a Latin word, but no Bible writer ever used the term as there is no such word in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. The first time that the Latin word “gentile” ever appeared in any Bible is when Jerome translated the original manuscripts from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into Latin! Secondly, and more importantly, in Jerome’s day, the Latin term “gentile” (gentilis) never had today’s corrupted definition meaning “non-Jew”. The Junior Classic Latin Dictionarypublished by Wilcox & Follett Company in 1945 defines gentilis: “of the same clan or race”, surely a word consistent with all of Scripture (Amos 3:2, Matt. 15:24 etc.).
Following Jerome’s example, the later English translators chose the Latin gentilis, “gentile”, for their translations in place the original Greek word ἔθνος (ethnos) because Jerome, when he made the Latin Vulgate, used the word gentilis to translate the Greek ἔθνος into Latin. In other words, Paul was sent to the people of his own ethnicity. How, where or when the term “gentile” first took on the corrupted meaning of “non-Jew” cannot be definitely determined, but that was NOT the original meaning in Latin! Nor is the word “gentile” found in any of the Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek manuscripts! Paul never uttered or wrote the word “gentiles”! Rather, Paul used only the Greek word τὰ ἔθνη “the nations”, and knew that he was going to those same nations found at Genesis 17:6 and 35:11. To use the term “gentile” in an improper manner only exposes that person’s lack of intelligence!

Today, the Latin term “gentile” has become so corrupted that it no longer denotes its original meaning. What is even worse, hardly any Biblical lexicon, dictionary or commentary helps to clear up the confusion concerning the use of the word. The best source that I have found to clear up the matter is The American Heritage Dictionary Of The English Language,William Morris, editor, published by Houghton Mifflin Company, ©1976, and even this source leaves some things to be desired. Much confusion is caused as a result of all of this. First of all,The American Heritage Dictionary describes “gentile” both as an adjective and a noun. As an adjective, it is described in part:
“gen•tile (jĕnʹtĭl, -tīl) adj. 1. Of or pertaining to the gens or to the tribal society based on it. ... –n 1. A number of a gens. ... [Latin gentilis, from gēns, clan gens.]”
In order to fully understand this definition, we must next refer to “gens” in this same dictionary:
“gens (jĕnz) n., pl. gentes (jĕnʹtēzʹ). 1. The particular clan forming the basic unit of the Roman tribe and having originally a common name, land, cult, and burial ground. 2.Anthropology. An exogamous patrilinear clan. [Latin gēns, clan. See gene- in Appendix.*]”
Again, in order to understand the “gens” connection, we must go to the appendix ongene- in part:
“gene-. Also gen-. To give birth, beget; with derivatives referring to aspects and results of procreation and to familial and tribal groups. ...”
It should be clear here that the term “gentile” is a Latin term used among the Romans to designate certain racial privileges and rights based on race! Therefore, this would have been the meaning of the term “gentile” near the end of the 4th century A.D. when Jerome compiled his Vulgate translation of the Bible, and as one can plainly see, this definition had no affinity to a meaning of “non-Jew”. Later, during the Middle English period (1150-1475 A.D.), according toThe American Heritage Dictionary, the capitalized term “Gentile” was changed from an adjective to a noun with a corrupted meaning thusly:
“Gen•tile (jĕnʹtīl) n. 1. Anyone who is not of the Jewish faith or is of a non-Jewish nation. 2. A Christian as distinguished from a Jew. 3. A pagan or heathen. 4. Among Mormons, a person who is not a Mormon. –adj. Of or relating to a Gentile. [Middle English gentile, gentyle, from Late Latin gentīles, pagans, heathens, from gentīlis, pagan, from Latin, of the same clan, from gēns, clan gens.]”
It is very important here that we notice that The American Heritage Dictionary specifies under Late Latin (150-700 A.D. – Jerome living in the 4th century) that “gentile” essentially held its original meaning of “... the same clan, from gēns, clan gens ...” So the meaning of “gentile” all boils down to which time period, whether Late Latin or Middle English is considered! It makes a lot of difference! Therefore, it is evident that sometime after Jerome’s translation, the meaning had changed 180°.
To make all of this simple, let’s review the main points:
• The term “gentile” cannot be found in any ancient Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek Biblical manuscripts!
• The term “gentile” is a Latin word, and in the Late Latin period (150-700 A.D.) it was first used to in the Latin Vulgate by Jerome, and meant “of the same clan or race”!
• Later, during the Middle English period (1150-1475 A.D.), the Latin term “gentile” was changed from an adjective to a noun with a capital “G”, and the meaning was perverted to mean “a non-Jew”, which it never had before!
Why is it that we, as a people, do not understand these things today? The answer is, we do not know who we are! It has been hidden from us! (Psalm 83:2-3)
“[sup]1[/sup] Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. [sup]2[/sup] For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. [sup]3[/sup] They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. [sup]4[/sup] They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.”
Psalm 83 makes it very clear that the “hidden ones” are Israel and the enemies of Israel are “the tabernacles of Edom”, “the Ishmaelites”, “Moab”, “the Hagarenes”, “Gebal”, “Ammon”, “Amalek”, “the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre” and “Assur” (vv. 6-8). This is the very same cabal that have infiltrated and are arrayed against the New Jerusalem (America) today! Now when the Almighty hides something, no one is going to find it! He has hidden Israel so well that they can’t even find themselves. Therefore, one can be an Israelite and not even be aware of it! And no one is ever going to come to the knowledge they are an Israelite unless His Spirit reveals the matter to him. Yahweh has a sovereign will and a permissive will, and unless He chooses to let one understand he is an Israelite, he will never comprehend it. One can confront such a person with the Israel truth until he is blue in the face and it will be like water running off of a duck’s back! So, if the reader is one of those chosen of Him to come to this knowledge, the rest of this paper is for you!
Not only has the Latin term “gentile” been turned 180° around to mean the exact opposite of what it originally conveyed, but the identity of true Israel and the non-Israel heathen have been completely reversed. For instance, those calling themselves “Jews” today are neither Israel nor Judah, but are a mixture of Kenite (Cain), Edomite, Hittite, Canaanite, plus other racial strains who were proselyted to Judaism during the reign of John Hyrcanus in 123 B.C. (See Rev. 2:9 & 3:9 and Josephus’ Antiq. 13.9.1). These proselytes also perverted Israel’s religion! I don’t ask the reader to believe this simply because I say that it is so, but to prove it one way or the other for himself. Don’t ask your pastor, as most of them are as blind-as-a-bat on this subject!
Among the “Jews” there is a group referred to as Sephardim who are a mixture of a few of the formerly racially pure Judahites of the tribe of Judah who had committed miscegenation with some of the Canaanite tribes, and Jeremiah condemns them at 2:21-22:
“[sup]21[/sup] Yet I had planted thee [Judah] a noble vine, wholly a right [racial] seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate [race-mixed] plant of a strange vine unto me? [sup]22[/sup] For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith Yahweh Elohim.”
But the vast majority of those calling themselves “Jews” are the Ashkenazim of Khazaria which make up better than 90% of them today. This branch of Jewry never came from old Judaea, but were converted to Judaism in 926 A.D. Evidence of this is found in the Jew’s own chronicle, The History Of The Jews by Heinrich Graetz, volume III (of 7 volumes), page 139:
“... It was through these Greek Jews that the Chazars became acquainted with Judaism. As interpreters or merchants, physicians or councelors, the Jews were known and beloved by the Chazar court, and they inspired the warlike king Bulan with a love of Judaism. In subsequent times, however, the Chazars had but a vague knowledge of the motive which induced their forefathers to embrace Judaism. One of their later Chagans gives the following account of their conversation: The king Bulan conceived a horror of the foul idolatry of his ancestors, and prohibited its exercise within his dominions, without, however, adopting any other form of religion. He was encouraged by a dream in his endeavors to discover the proper manner of worshiping God. Having gained a great victory over the Arabs, and conquered the Armenian fortress of Ardelib, Bulan determined to adopt the Jewish religion openly. ...” And he did! This event is also recorded under “Khazars” in the 1980 Collier’s Encyclopedia, vol. 14, page 65. Not only this, but the Canaanite-Edomite-jews mixed their blood with the Indians of India, the Chinese, the Indian tribes of Mexico, and the blacks of Nubia to name but a few.
Once one comes to a realization that the people calling themselves “Jews” today are neither Israel nor Judah, one has surmounted one of the major hurdles in grasping the true context of the Bible! Putting this knowledge together with a proper comprehension of the Latin term “gentile” which in most cases should have been rendered “nations” one can begin to understand that the apostle Paul was sent to the lost tribes of Israel who had become “nations” (a proper Greek translation)!
At no time did Paul countermand the teachings of Yahshua Christ, for we read at 1 Cor. 11:1: “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” Paul, in effect, was saying: “If I follow not Yahshua Christ in any way shape or manner, then do not follow me, but follow me only to the extent in which I myself follow Christ.” And Yahshua Christ Himself said, “... I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”, Matt. 15:24. Therefore, if Paul went to someone other than the lost tribes of Israel, he wouldn’t have been following Yahshua Christ!
Let’s now consider some of the true Biblical and secular history of the tribes of Israel. There were twelve tribes of Israel, namely: 1. Reuben, 2. Simeon, 3. Levi, 4. Judah, 5. Issachar, 6. Zebulun, 7. Dan, 8. Naphtali, 9. Gad, 10. Asher, 11. Joseph, 12. Benjamin. The two sons of Joseph – Ephraim and Manasseh – were each given the status of half a tribe. In that respect the tribes were thirteen.
In the beginning, the twelve tribes were united into one nation known as Israel under the judges, then three kings in succession, Saul, David and Solomon. After that the kingdom was divided and ten tribes formed the northern kingdom. They had nineteen kings from Jeroboam to Hosea, while Judah and Benjamin remained south.
From 745-727 B.C. Tiglath Pileser reigned over Assyria, and at 2 Kings 15:29 we read:“In the days of Pekah king of Israel came Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, and took Ijon, and Abelbethmaachah, and Janoah, and Kedesh, and Hazor, and Gilead, and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali, and carried them captive to Assyria” (*KJV spelling). This is also confirmed at 1 Chron. 5:26: “And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day” (*KJV). There is no record that any of these ever returned!
The next deportation of the northern kingdom of Israel was by king Shalmaneser of Assyria who reigned 727-722 B.C., spoken of at 2 Kings 18:9-11:
“[sup]9[/sup] And it came to pass in the fourth year of king Hezekiah, which was the seventh year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Shalmaneser king of Assyria came up against Samaria, and besieged it. [sup]10[/sup] And at the end of three years they took it: even in the sixth year of Hezekiah, that is the ninth year of Hoshea king of Israel, Samaria was taken. [sup]11[/sup] And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria, and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes ...”. Neither did any of these return to Samaria!
The third and last deportation of the northern kingdom was by Sargon II of Assyria who reigned, 722-705 B.C., and does not appear in Old Testament history. Isaiah makes one passing reference to him, but his dealings with Israel find no mention in the sacred writings. But, Sargon himself has left the following inscription: “(In the beginning of my reign) the city of Samaria I besieged, I captured ... 27,280 of its inhabitants I carried away; fifty chariots in the midst of them I collected (and the rest of their goods I seized); I set my governor over them and laid upon them tribute and taxes like those of the Assyrians.”The Bible reference here that alludes to Sargon is at Isaiah 20:1: “In the year that Tartan came unto Ashdod, (when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him,) and fought against Ashdod, and took it.” Neither did any of these return!
The fourth assault by Assyria was by Sennacherib who reigned 705-681 B.C., and deported Judahites from the southern kingdom of Judah to Assyria. The Bible records this at 2 Kings 18:13: “Now in the fourteenth year of king Hezekiah did Sennacherib king of Assyria come up against all the fenced cities of Judah, and took them.” While the Scriptures are silent on the subject of deportations at this time, Sennacherib himself has left the following record: “And Hezekiah king of Judah, who had not bowed down at my feet forty-six of his strong cities, his castles, and the smaller towns in their neighborhood beyond number with warlike engines. ... I attacked and captured 200,150 people small and great, male and female, horses, mares, asses, camels, oxen and sheep beyond number, from the midst of them I carried off and distributed them as a spoil. He himself, like a bird in a cage, inside Jerusalem his royal city I shut him up.” After Sennacherib’s attack, all that was left of Judaea was the city of Jerusalem by itself. Neither did any of the Judahites taken by Sennacherib to Assyria return back to Judaea!
At this point in our story, nearly all of the twelve tribes of Israel (or thirteen tribes depending upon how one might count them) are in dispersion, never to return to their homeland! But this is not the end of the dispersions as there is more yet to come! On the horizon the neo-Babylonian empire was in its ascendancy while the Assyrian empire was being overthrown. Upon the neo-Babylonian empire coming into power, Nebuchadnezzar ascended his throne, and imposed a heavy yoke upon the king and the kingdom of Judah in his first year of rule. Nebuchadnezzar would reign 604-561 B.C. This is confirmed at Jeremiah 25:1:
“The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon” (KJV spelling). Under Nebuchadnezzar there were three deportations of Judahites from Judaea to Babylon, and all that were left were the poorest of the land. Of those deported, many would never ever return to Judaea.
After seventy years of captivity in Babylon, in his first year as ruler over Babylon, Cyrus, king of Persia, 538 B.C., he issued a royal decree to the effect that the exiled Judeans were free to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the house of Yahweh (Ezra 1:1-4). It was a long and dusty trip which included 42,360 males besides slaves and professional singers carrying with them the temple treasures. They arrived at Jerusalem in time to celebrate the Feast of Booths in the seventh month, 537 B.C. We see from all of this that of all the millions of Israelites of the northern ten-tribed kingdom of Israel and the Judahites, Benjamites and a smattering of Levites of the southern two-tribed kingdom of Judah, only 42,360 returned to Jerusalem, and of those 42,360, not all of them could verify their Judahite, Benjamite or Levite genealogy.
Except for a couple of persons mentioned in the New Testament, of the millions of Israelites from the northern and southern kingdoms of Israel and Judah, only 42,360 returned again to Judaea! We can be quite sure that this is true, as the Almighty proclaimed in no uncertain words that this is the way that it would be! This declaration by Yahweh can be found at Hosea 2:6: “Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.” In other words, the house of Israel or the house of Judah may attempt to return to Samaria or Judaea, but they will shed much blood in the process and their way will be blocked at every turn.
For instance, during the period from the end of the 11th century until the end of the 13th century A.D., expeditions and wars were conducted by the Christians of Europe to uphold the rights of pilgrims at Jerusalem to ultimately establish a firm foothold for Christianity in Palestine. These expeditions and wars were called “the Crusades”, and were first instigated by pope Urban II. For those who volunteered, they were promised remission of sins, and all who died in the expedition got immediate entry into Paradise! Over this period there were eight crusades in all, not including the pitiful Children’s Crusade. The people who took part in these crusades were of the twelve lost tribes of Israel. They did manage to take Jerusalem for a while, but in the end, the Muslims regained the territory back again. The empire founded by the Crusaders expired with the capture of Acre by the Sultan of Egypt in 1291. As a result of the crusades, thousands upon thousands of Israelite men and boys died for the pope’s cause.
Summation: With this paper it becomes quite clear that not everything that is taught in nominal churchianity is true. It should now be obvious that the term “gentile” was never in any of the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek manuscripts! Secondly, it should now be apparent that after Jerome introduced the Latin term “gentile” into his Vulgate translation in the Late Latin period (150-700 A.D. – Jerome living in the 4th century) that by the Middle English period (1150-1475 A.D.) a corrupted definition of “non-Jew” had been adopted. Therefore, today the clergy has erroneously reduced the world’s population down to two categories, “Jew” and “non-Jew”, (calling any “non-Jew”, a “gentile”)!
Also with this essay, we see that the apostle Paul didn’t go to any so-called “gentiles”, but to the lost twelve tribes of Israel who had become “nations”, a proper rendering of the Greek word ἔθνος (ethnos).
Then we checked the Biblical and secular records of the several dispersions of the twelve tribes of Israel, and how only a very small remnant of 42,360 of the southern kingdom ever returned to their homeland!
Last of all, evidence was presented from Scripture that Yahweh would cause a hedge and a wall to be placed between the twelve tribes of Israel and their former homeland, preventing their return. And though the Crusaders were able to establish a foothold in Palestine for a short period, in the end they were unable to hold it, and had to retreat back to their newfound home in Europe. This paper has been an endeavor to show the reader how out-of-context today’s clergy is twisting Yahweh’s Word to their own destruction. Responsibility now falls on the reader’s shoulder!

-- Just curious...
Is it difficult to type looking through the eyeholes of your white hood?

I don't wear a 'white hood' you [edited by the mod]. How dare you even compare me to that crap! I live my life according to the Word of God the best that I can. I am aware of many fallacies in modern churches and only seek to enlighten others of what the Lord has opened my eyes to.

Beware of judging others without knowing their works, friend. You will be held accountable for how you judge others.

 

[dragonfly]

You are one of a few that doesn't attack this as hate! I thank you for that, as I hold no hate in my heart for any man, but I can see that propaganda has flooded many a good hearted Christian to believe in things that aren't correct.

Hi Blux,

I think your apparent fixation with 'Jews' is blinding you from the real issue, which is the heart of man, regardless of their racial origin. The gospel to Israel (of whom ethnic Jews (as opposed to proselytes) are a part) was always:

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: {although...: or, should I have continued an husband unto them?} 33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


Paul testifies of this in his ministry to the Corinthians (There were Jews in Corinth - Acts 18:1 - 10.)

2 Corinthians 3:ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart ...' (Peter speaking.)

And Peter, having been given the keys of the kingdom of heaven by Jesus (Matthew 16:19), became the apostle to be directed by the Lord Jesus to preach the same gospel to the Gentiles. We know how gobsmacked Peter was at the time, but he definitely took it to heart, because he includes them in 'Israel' ever after, and, in Galatians 2, Paul, '... said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews ...'


Maybe, in a roundabout way, you are trying to say that the issue of Jewish ethnicity is a red herring If so, I can agree with that. At the same time though, there are Jews, and they do need to hear the gospel, and it falls to Christians - both Jewish and non-Jewish, to love them - even their enemies - to win their hearts to God - while at the same time leaving any vengeance which God deems due, to God Himself. Otherwise, we do the reputation of Jesus Christ no favours.

Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


You might like a sermon preached by Art Katz (who was Jewish) called, 'The Two Judaisms'. Compare this with his analysis of the church at Antioch, called, 'To God be Glory in the Church'.

 

[xBluxTunicx82]

Hi Blux,

I think your apparent fixation with 'Jews' is blinding you from the real issue, which is the heart of man, regardless of their racial origin. The gospel to Israel (of whom ethnic Jews (as opposed to proselytes) are a part) was always:

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: {although...: or, should I have continued an husband unto them?} 33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


Paul testifies of this in his ministry to the Corinthians (There were Jews in Corinth - Acts 18:1 - 10.)

2 Corinthians 3:ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart ...' (Peter speaking.)

And Peter, having been given the keys of the kingdom of heaven by Jesus (Matthew 16:19), became the apostle to be directed by the Lord Jesus to preach the same gospel to the Gentiles. We know how gobsmacked Peter was at the time, but he definitely took it to heart, because he includes them in 'Israel' ever after, and, in Galatians 2, Paul, '... said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews ...'


Maybe, in a roundabout way, you are trying to say that the issue of Jewish ethnicity is a red herring If so, I can agree with that. At the same time though, there are Jews, and they do need to hear the gospel, and it falls to Christians - both Jewish and non-Jewish, to love them - even their enemies - to win their hearts to God - while at the same time leaving any vengeance which God deems due, to God Himself. Otherwise, we do the reputation of Jesus Christ no favours.

Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


You might like a sermon preached by Art Katz (who was Jewish) called, 'The Two Judaisms'. Compare this with his analysis of the church at Antioch, called, 'To God be Glory in the Church'.

Perhaps I shouldn't generalize by using the term jew. Over the mellinia, Edomites commited adultery with numerous races, fully integrating into the world as a group of mamzers. Esau was Jacobs twin just as Cain was Abel's.. But looking at an 'ethnic' jew, you will see a wide array of skin tone, facial features, and even physiology. Whereas true Israel was to remain pure in its bloodline in order to remain holy unto God, and they would be punished anytime (scripture shows this) they mingled with other nations.

So you are correct, it is just easy to point them out when you look at the global situation, the oppression of so many people, the over taxation of the working class, the rise of new and strange diseases in once predominately white christian cultures. All thanks to the massive influx of illegal immigrants...whether they be mexicans, arabs, or asians(all depending on what part of the world you are in. But you will find that ALL western european countries are having it rough now. US, Great Britain, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. All were once in full understanding of their Israelite history as can be witnessed in everything from national emblems and flags to the very customs of the people that founded these nations.

Today, they are overwhelmes with forced integration, pharmaceuticals, street drugs, sexual imagery, etc. Yet who do we blame? The people in control, right? Well, do some research and find out the ones making the biggest desicions in all places. Its pretty obvious, and many of these things a Christian wouldn't even consider, much less agree on.

I do understand why there are so many that have the wool pulled so well over their eyes...our Lord promised it for His people backslidding. Too bad. There will always be a remnant, there always has been, and always will be until Christ come. And on that great and terrible day, every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. All of us will be faced with judgement, so all of us should hope that we are on the right path, for we all can just as easily fall into the fire. Thanks to the men in charge of our modern church, so many have learned half truths and lies from the tainted pulpits across the world.

Like it or leave it, but its the way it is.

 

[dragonfly]

Hi Blux,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm wracking my memory about one thing you said, here:

Whereas true Israel was to remain pure in its bloodline in order to remain holy unto God, and they would be punished anytime (scripture shows this) they mingled with other nations.

I think this is a common misunderstanding. The only time Israelites had to put away wives was after the exile, when they were going to take back the land and rebuild the nation. (And Abraham put away his concubines after God told him the promises would be fulfilled through Isaac.) The other group who were specifically to marry within Israel, were Levites.

But think about this more closely. The people who came out of Egypt were not all pure descendants of Jacob (genetically). We know that the whole group is referred to as a mixed multitude (synagogue). Then, within weeks of leaving Egypt, the law is being revealed to Moses, and within it, there are provisions for 1) marrying a slave, divorcing a slave; 2) marrying a woman taken as a prisoner of war; 3) circumcising a non-Israelite household member; 4) circumcising a stranger who wants to be joined to Israel.

Esau married outside Israel, and we have no idea what nationality Leah and Rachel's (Bilhah and Zilpah) were. The point is, that because Jacob was the father of their children, the children were counted as being 'of Israel'. It has never been about genetics, but about a culture of worship of the true and living God. If there is a reason God recommended they don't marry into the nations round about them, it is that those nations worshipped idols, and He understood that the spiritual powers in the land would seek to turn them away from Him. That's why the law was strictly against idolatry. From the second commandment to the instructions in Deuteronomy 13 about disclosing, and stoning, any family member 'even the wife of thy bosom', who tried secretly to entice the man of the house into practising idolatry, these decrees are to protect Israel from spiritual adultery. We see what happened to Solomon, and how the place on the Mount of Olives where he sacrificed to other gods, became known as 'the mount of corruption' (2 Kings 23).

Deuteronomy 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. 63 And it shall come to pass, [that] as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, [even] wood and stone. 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.


This prophecy has come true all down through the centuries. 'Jews' - Israelites - are taught to be fearful for their lives, and they believe it.